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A26579 Covnterpoyson considerations touching the poynts in difference between the godly ministers and people of the Church of England, and the seduced brethren of the separation : argvments that the best assemblies of the present church of England are true visible churches : that the preachers in the best assemblies of Engl. are true ministers of Christ : Mr. Bernards book intituled The Separatists Schisme : Mr Crashawes questions propounded in his sermon preached at the crosse / examined and answered by Henry Ainsworth. Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? 1642 (1642) Wing A809; ESTC R19104 173,009 159

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we must be separated thirdly the corruption of nature in our selues the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life all which are of the world and wh●ch we must hate and crucifie so turne and become like little children euen borne agayn that we may see the kingdome of God 16. The estate wherevnto God called his church in this life is generally to the communion or fellowhsip of his sonne Iesus Christ as being their onely mediator and Sauiour the Prophet Priest and King of the church which they beleeu●ng and professing are al●o made partakers in a proportion and in their measure of these three offices with him 17. Iesus Christ is the Prophet ra●sed vp of God vnto his people to teach them all that God commanded him which also he did both by himselfe and by the M●nistery of his seruants sent of him And as all the treasures of wisdome and knowledge are hid in him so him the church m●st hear for all heauenly wisdome and knowledge is to be learned of him and every person which shall not hear this Prophet shall be destroyed out of the people 18 This Prophet call office of Christ he hath communicated with the church by giuing to the same his word for their instruction and comfort and graffing the same within them his spirit also as an Anoynting to teach them all things giuing gifts also or ministers to open and apply the same vnto their sowles likewise power and freedome by witnes profession and practise to hold forth that word of life as lights in the world thereby to preach vnto others the fa●th of Christ to ed●fy and build vp one another dayly therein to prouoke vnto loue and to good works to admonish and reprehend for evill and iniquity to forgiue and comfort one another in the bowels of Christ whose word therefore all ought to labour that it may dwel plenteously in them that if any man speak it may be as the words of G●d 19. Iesus the son of God is also the great high priest or Sacrificer of the Church by whose obedience and sacrifice or oblation of h●s own body and blood the church is clensed from all sinn and reconciled to God by whose intercession the church with the holy actions oblations of the same are accepted of God and made heires of blessing 20. And this his Pr●estly office is 〈◊〉 imparted to his church as they haue not onely interest in his death and suffrings whereby they are reconciled to God but also are themselues made a holy priesthood to offer vp spirituall sacri●ices acceptable to God by him giuing vp their own bodies a liuing sacrifice mortifying their members wh●ch are on earth and crucify●ng the flesh with th● affections and l●sts offring vp contrite and broken h●rts with sacrifices of praise confe●sing to his name and praying not o●●ly every man for himself but one for another doing good and d●stributing to the nece●sities of the Saincts suffring affl●ction for the Gospell and fynally if they be called therevnto powring out the r soules vnto death f●r the truthes sake 21. The Lord Iesus Christ is also the gouernour and king ouer Sion Gods h●ly mount and sitteth at his Fathers right hand and reigneth till all his enimies be made his footstool being a King iudge and lawgiu●r to h●s people commanding and ruling them by his word and spirit j●dging them in iustice and equ●ty preseruing and defend●ng them by his almighty power from all their enimies 22. And this his kingly office he so communicateth with h●s church as they are by him preser●ed and defended from all aduersarie P●wer freed from the dominion of sinne and tyrannie of Satan from subiection to the world and seruitude vnto men and restored to the ioyfull lib●rty of the Ch●ldren of God the world and all things in it made theirs that howsoeuer they haue still to combate with the Diuill to wra●tel against principallities powers to suffer hatred affliction of the world an● to warr with the fleshly lusts which fight against the so●l yet neither dea●h nor life nor Angels nor principallities nor power● nor things present nor things to come nor heigth nor depth nor any other creat●re shal be able to separate them from the loue of God which is in Christ Iesus our Lord who hath made them K●ngs and Pri●s●s vnto God even his father and they shall reign on the earth till h●uin● ser●ed here the●r time they come to reign with him in glor● in ●he heauens for euer 2● Vnto the participation of these promises and heauenly graces are all peo●les ●r●uoked by the Gospell ●reached and such as obey the c●l●●ng of G●d an● come vnto Chr●st are vnited vnto him the●r head and ●ed●at●r from whom● proceedeth the Iustification and sanctificatio● of t●e Churc● 24. Iustification is the partaking of Christs just●ce or righteousnes ●n his fulfilling and obeyin● the law of God and d●scharg●ng all ou● depts and trespasses by his death so freeing vs from the curse and set●ing vs in full fauour with God and vnder his bles●●ng which righteousnesse of Christs is fully made ours and imp●ted to vs by faith for our justification 25. Sanctification is the partak●ng of Christs holynes by being graffed with him to the simill●tude of his death and resurrection whereby the corruption of nature or old man in vs becometh crucified and buried with him and the new man or image of God is put on and renewed dayly in a holy conuersation 26. H●th●rto of the Churches union and communion with Christ her head now followeth the union of the churches member● one with another which is their● cou●ling togither as one body by the communion of one and the same spirit faith and loue 27. The vnion of the members one with another is to be considered generally or totally and particularly Generally as the ch●rch is called vniuersall or ca●holik comprehending the whole family of God in heauen and in earth and the fraternity or brotherhood of all Christians which are ●n the world in whome there is but one faith in one and the same God by that one Lord Ies●s Christ throu●h one Sp●rit Thus haue they all one Father which is God one mother Ierusalem which is aboue and by the mediation of Chr●st are all made one baptised by one spirit into one body and al made to drink into one spirit 28 More Particularly they that are called of God and members o●●he Church vniversall are vnited and gathered into many churches or congregatiōs in several cities countr●es every
comfort one another in the faith and feare of God whose power and presence they haue with them in all estates and places 44 So to conclude a true church is a sacred communiallty consociate and knit togither into a mistical body whose head is Christ whose members christians of any nation or condition whose soul is the word and whose spirit is the spirit of the liuing God who gathereth togither dry desolate bones layeth synewes on them makes flesh to grow and couereth them with skin and putteth breath in them that they may liue and stand vpon their feet an exceeding great army Vnto him for all his blessings be praise in his churches throughout all generations Amen Amen ARGVMENTS Disprouing the present estate and constitution of the CHVRCH of ENGLAND EVery true Church is the body of Christ and hath him for the head thereof For ●t is wr●tten God hath appoynted him ouer all ●h●ngs the head of the church which is his body Eph 1 22 23 and agayn to the church of Corinth it is sayd y● are the b●dy of Christ 1 Cor 12 27. But the church of England is not the body of Christ neyther hath him for the h●ad thereof Because it wa● first constituted as now it standeth of the members of Antichrist namely the idolatrous Pap●sts which openly professed Antichristian sme in Q. Maries dayes ha●ing Abadden the Pope for their head and spilled much christian blood that they might mainteyn their Romish abominations Who all except some few that of themselues refused were at the beginning of Q. Elisabeths reign rece●ued into the body of the church and so haue continued they and their seed euer since Yet did they not then enter in by repentance and faith in Christ which two things are the beginning and foundation of the kingdome of God but by the commandement of the Magistrate were compelled vnto the Church sacraments ministery c. which then were by law establ●shed and euer since continewed Now the Magistrates law cannot work faith in any seing faith is the gift of God and by his word onely is wrought in mans hart So that the Magistrate though he ou●th to abolish idolatr●e and set vp Gods true worship to suppresse all errours and cause the truth to be taught yet cannot he constreyn men to ioyne vnto the church but they must doe it willi●gly and gladly the Lord perswading them herevnto And these of whome we speak not being perswaded by the Lord and his word but ●s the worldly multitude alway is be●ng ready to receiue any religion the prince wo●ld establish rather then they would suffer persecution wherein that their popish estate the body of Antichrist yet then compelled and vn●ted vnto this church Agayn not onely those that were popishly 〈◊〉 and superstitious but such also as were profane and irrelig●ous atheists blasphemers whoremongers theeues drunkards witches and all other vngodly persons of which then were and still are too too many in the land these al though by reason of their wicked and miserable estate ●hey w●rlimmes of Satan and as the scripture calleth such children of the Diuill were yet receiued into the Church likeweise they and ●heir seed so continew as the state of that Church plainely sheweth For e●en to this day profane people mockers and contemners of religion tha● blasphem God and his holy name even in the streets as they walk such as cal themselues the donned crew Familists Athe●sts and all other sorts of miscreants and wicked liuers are members of the Church of En●land vnited with the body and partakers of the sacraments and other holy act●ons of the same Now these children of wrath this sinnfull generation cannot possibly be members of the body of Christ nor haue him for their head seing they are not partakers of his life and spirit nor called to his faith neither admitteth he any such vnto him vntil they repent he hath no cōcord with Belial therefore not with the children of Belial the members of his glorious body must not be the dead st●nking and abominable members of Satan Light and darknes heauen and hel will as soon be vnited togither Neyther will it be yenough to say that some are affected to reli●ion are of better life and conuersation c. and that for their sakes the residew are sanct●fied and may be ioyned vnto and reputed Christs body and Church for they that professe more sincerity yet are not come to a true ●rofe●sion of the Gospell or reno●ncing of Idolatrie but after the●r false and popish manner worship God with the rest remayning one body one Church with them Now we are taught of God that the religious are so farr from sanctifying the wicked as contrariweise the wicked doe pollute them whatsoeuer the vnclean person toucheth sayth the Lord shal be vnclean and the person which toucheth him shal be vncleane ● wherefore come out from among them and separate your selues and touch no vncl●ane thing and I will receiue you and I will be a Father vnto you and ye shal be my sonns and daughters sayth the Lord almighty So then the religious and well affected people must separate from the rest if they would be acknowledged of God for his and not think by their holynes to sanctify the profane Agayn it is as easy to make peace agreement between Christ the Diuil as between Christ and such open obstinate synners the children of the Diuill yea it ouerturneth at once the first promise of saluation made by God and so the uery ground of Christian religion For when God first promised redemption to mankind it was by Christ the seed of the woman that should crush the serpents head who in due time appeared for this purpose that he might loose the works of the Diuill destroy and abolish him And as then the Lord put enmity between Christ and the serpent so did he also between him and the serpents seed that is w●cked men which being children of the Diuill would take the Diu●ls part to hate and kill Christ and root out his ch●ldren and reli●ion acc●rding to wh●ch decree and word of his Father o●r Lord Iesus set himselfe not onely aga●nst the Serpent but against s●ch wicked men also as would not be turned from their impietie therefore he sayth by his pro●hets D●e not I hate them that hate thee ô Lor● c I hate th●m with an vnfeighned hatred as they were myn● vtter enemies I hate the assembly of e●il doers and company not with the wicked Betim●s wil I destroy all the wicked of th● land that I may cut off all the workers of iniquity from the city of the Lord Three shepheards I cut of in one moneth and my sowl loathed loathed them and their sowl abhorred me with many such like speeches throughout the scriptures whereby Christ shewed how farr he was and would be from being head vnto
God who took our nature of the Virgin Mary is our onely and alsufficient Sauiour For proof of this they first allege that th●y receiue this truth are the people of God and in the state of saluation they that receiue it not cannot possibly be saued Mat. 16.18 Mark 16.16 1 I●h 4.2 Col 2.7 But first none of these scriptures doe say that this one article which these ministers haue set downe in this forme of words is the onely fundamentall truth in religion Neyther doth any other scripture that I know of so speake for though Christ onely is the foundation of the Christian church and though as they secondly allege no other point of religion is necessary otherwise then as it tendeth necessarily to teach or confirme this one truth yet foloweth it not but other points also are fundamental truthes the denyall of which will abolish from Christ. Secondly they haue altered added to and omitted some of the words of these scriptures for their own aduantage For fearing that we would as indeed we mean to doe presse them with the profession of the Anabaptists Papists and other heretiks they thinke to preuent vs. And first against the Anabaptists which deny that Christ took our flesh these men haue added who took our nature of the Virgin Mary Then against the papists which hold merit of works they adioyne these words our onely and alsufficient Sauiour And this because the church of England mainteyneth the truth in these points against those fore sayd heretiks On the other hand to help themselues in their corrupt Antichristian walking and false constitution they omit and mention not th' Apostles words Col. 2. wher he sayth As ye haue receiued Christ Iesus the Lord so walke in him rooted and built in him and stablished in the faith as ye haue been taught c The discreet reader may soon espy their purpose in this cunning cariage For let the position be set downe in the scripture termes and we shall see how weake their plea will be The onely fundamentall truth in religion is this That Iesus is the Christ the sonne of the liuing God comen in the flesh in whom we must beleeue and h walke being rooted and build in him and stablished in the faith as we are taught in the new testament If now these ministers will insist vpon the three first scriptures onely and generall terms that are in them it is apparant that the Papists Anabaptists and many other miscreants doe hold and professe them absolutely absolutely But if they joyne with them Colos. 2. and compare the walking rooting building and stablishing in the faith taught by th' Apostles with the Popish church or with their own it wil be found that neyther of them hold the fo●ndation Christ aright Themselues w●ll grant it of the Pap●sts and other heretiks and for their own church it is before in this treatise proued So then to come agayn vnto their reason that they hold ●e●ch and mainteyn euery part of Gods holy truth which is fundam●ntall whereby they woul● concl●de themselues to be a true chr●ch the ar●ument is deneyed F●r first if ●t were granted that th●y h●ld ●aught and mai●teyn●d every part of fund●●ental truth which yet with them is but one article onely as we haue heard it w●ll not follow necessaryly that therefore they are a true ch●rch or that they truely professe the Christ an faith There wan● two things 1 obedience to the truth professed witho●t which men shal be damned whatsoeuer they professe 2 and a right profession of the true faith onely without err●urs adioyned that ouerthrow the same faith and obedience thereto For if a people profe●sing that onely fundamentall truth which these ministers speake of should withall professe Mahomet the prophet of the Turks or H. N. the God of the Familists or any other like abomination were this misceline profession of Christ and Belial togither a true and sound profe●sion I trow not So then these ministers must alter their plea thus that they hold teach mainteyn and obey every part of the fundamentall truth and nothing els with it that ouerthrowes the same If now they say this they doe I haue before in this treatise disproued it and here agayn will briefly disproue it thus They professe to beleeu the Communion of Saincts and that the visible church is a congregation of faithfull people Yet contrariweise they hold teach and mainteyne that their own church is a true church of Christ though it consists as wel of vnholy as holy infidels as beleeuers and innumerable wicked persons openly seen and known That this they hold mainteyn is pro●ed by their continual clamors and reprochful writings against vs that call vpon them for a separation of light from darknesse It is proued by Dr W●itgifts plea before mentioned that the children of Papists heretiks and other wicked persons are and ought to be baptised amōg the● It is further proued by the visible estate of their church knowne vnto all among them and test●fied by her dearest freinds fauourers M● Gifford speaking to his brethren ●f the Communion of Saincts in Engl. sayth Yee would euen powr out your stin●ing and r●t●en p●yson like blaspemous and venemous beasts ye would speake after this manner you that are so full of the spirit you that are Saincts and su●h like What are you Di●ils are ye of the flesh No do●ut ye are vntill God convert ye But we may se how diui●ishly men ar become wicked when a man cannot make any appearance to be godly and holy but it is reproched as though it were a shamefull thing to be lead by the spirit c. These and the like records with the continuance continuance in this confused estate plainely proue an ouerthrow of that article of the true church which is the body of Christ and the body being disanulled Christ the head cannot soundly be reteyned Agayn they professe in Engl. that the pu●e word of God is to be preached the sacraments duely administred c. also that in our doings that will of God is to be followed which we haue expresly decleared vnto vs in the word of God Yet withall they professe and practise in that church to read the Apocrypha ●criptures in which are found vntruthes and errors when many parts of the authentik scripture are neuer read among them they haue also written homilies in sted of preaching a written Le●tourg●e Letany collects c. in sted of praying which Leitoargie with all the popish contents therein must be approued and vsed by all the Priests and people and God serued by it euery day They haue also an antichristian clergie ca●led and ordeyned according to their pontifical or book of ordination which ●n their beleef hath not any thing that of it selfe is s●perstitious and vngodly c. Finally all the Romish reliques yet in England to be seen in the
of which churches being joyned togither in the profession and practise of the Gospel of Christ haue his power and presence with them and is to conuene or come togither in one for the worsh●p of God and performance of publick duties 29. Whatsoeuer promise or blessing of God is bestowed on the church on earth generally considered the same may be apprehended injoyed by every particular church though not in like measure by all as the promises generall and examples particular of the church in Corinth and others mentioned in the scr●pture doe confirme 30. The Testament of Christ sheweth vs no Prouintiall Nationall Em●erial or other l●ke Church hauing seuerall meetings or a●●emblies and special Pastors ouer the same neither since th● Apostles Prophets ●vangelists were taken from this world are there any other lawful Bishops or Church-gouernours then the Bishops or Overseers of the particular churches neyther euer was ther other lawful Head Lord or Lords spirituall of the Church then Iesus Chr●st alone 31 Vnto the ch●rch are to be admitted all vnto whome the couenant and promise of God doth apperteyn and they are so many as the Lord our God shall call and all those are called in the iudgment of man which hauing heard the word of God doe professe repentance from dead works and faith in God by Iesus Christ the alone Sauiour of ●he world and promise obedience to the word through the holy Ghost the sanctifier of the elect Such of all sorts and estates of people in the world are with their seed to be receiued into and nourished ●n the church their ignorance being holpen by instruction their weaknes borne by lenity their faults corrected i with loue and meeknes and their feeble consciences comforted with the promises of God 3● Out of the Ch●rch are all s●ch to be kept as are profane worldly and wicked vntill they be called of God vnto repentance faith in his promise and out of it are to be cast all such as sinne against the law of Go● by errour or corruption in doctrine or conuersation and will not by pr●uate or publick admonistion be reclaymed and amended 33 Every particular church or congregation throughout the world hau●ng equall interest in Christ and in his word or couenant consequently ha●e equall power and ought to haue a l●ke care to practise all the commandements and ordinances of the Lord standing fast in the l●berty where with Christ hath made them free 34 Every one that would be saued ought to joyne himself vnto some particular church where Gods name is se● and knowen and called vpon that in and with the same he may grow vp in the fa●th and loue of Christ vnto saluation 35. Although the church consisteth onely of s●ch as are called yet these are of two sorts some outwardly onely and for a tyme which though they be in the church yet are they not indeed of the Church othersome called also inwardly effectually and for ever So that the churches on earth haue many hypocrites and reprobates for members of them whose secret sinns defile themselues alone Howbeit the Lord knoweth them that are his a true Christian may by the word 〈◊〉 spirit of the Lord and fruites of his faith haue assurance that himself is the Lords of others he is for their outward good profession and conversation which he seeth to hope and judge as of himself leauin● the finall doom and iudgment vntill the Lord come who will l●●hten things that are hid in darknes and make the counsels of the harts manifest and will reward every man according as his works shal be 36 The best churches on eart are alwayes subiect to haue open greeuous sinas of all sorts break out in them all which ●niquitie● m●st speedily be redressed and euery church purged by repentance or casting out of the impenitent least wrath doe come on all the congregation 37. For churches by sinning and impenitencie therein may forfeyt their couenant and be forsaken of God and for their adulteries by d●uorced from Christ and so left of his people the candlestick being remoued out of the place 38 By this which hath been sayd may appear that euery people called of God into couenant and communion with Christ and one with another and so walking though with much weaknes ignorance and dayly syn is to be esteemed a true church of God but they that are not so called and come into couenant with the Lord howsoeuer they may professe many excellent truthes yet want they the mayne essentiall thing which makes a true church 39 A church thus hauing the essence or being by ref●rence vnto or coniunction with Christ which is a secret and spirituall thing cannot now as it is a church properly be seen with carnall eye Whereas then the church is sayd to be visible it is figuratiuely spoken and after a sort to weet so farr as by a peoples profession and conuersation seen or heard men may discerne and iudge by the rules of Gods word 40. As Christ the head and sauiour of his body cannot be found or knowen by the wit or wisdom of man but by the revelation of God so the Church which is his body kingdome and spowse ca●●ot be discerned by naturall or humane skill but by the manifestation of God alone through his word and spirit 41 Hence it is that the true churches of God are both contemned and condemned of the world as heretiks schismatiks sedetious c. when the false antichr●stian assemblies are highly honoured and regarded For they wh●ch vnderstand not the word of God wh●ch natural men doe not nor haue the spirit of God which naturall men haue not how should they rightly judge of or discerne the Church of God 42. And Satan to deceiue the simple doth deck his synagogues with many ornaments of the church of Christ as the preaching of the word prayers sacraments discipline he procureth them also honour amplitude and prosperity when from the true church oftimes he taketh not onely outward peace and glory but bereaueth the same of Christs publicke ministery of the word and sacraments by persecuting imprisoning banishing and killing the officers of the Church and scatteting the members 43. Yet is not Satans synagogue for all the pomp thereof a church of God because it inioyeth and useth not his word and holy things aright according to his heauenly ordinance Neyther can the true churches be spoiled or depriued of the word of God which is graffed in them and able to saue their sowles is seed immortall and endureth for ever but in the mids of their many afflictions they both hold forth that word of life as lights vnto the world and by the same doe edify and
re●roched the Protestants as labouring to bring all things vnder the rule of the rash vnconstant people and vnlearned multitude and to make the church democraticall and popular because every one of the people by his priuate spirit is supreme iudge and head in matters of religion Our different judgement and practise from the church of Engl. wher all ●y men as they call them are forbidden all speaking or expounding of the word in the publik assemblies and where a Bishop Chancellor or Commissary hath power to excommunicate by a Latin writ c. Our difference also and dislike of the Presbyteries practise whereby people are excluded and depriued of a great part of their Christian liberty and benefit thereby is in other books largely treated of with scriptures reasons many which M Bern. neyther orderly handleth nor soundly confuteth as the wise reader may see but ignorantly and confusedly shuffleth them ouer running into by matters and vniust calumniations I will end therefore with the words of one of his fellow ministers who touching this poynt of Church gouernment writeth much more soundly then by Mr. Bern. in his blindenes hath done Mr Iacob I mean which sayth It is childish and without all wit to cry out aganst vs ●us our adue●saries doe Popularity Anarchie c. for our so wel grounded and so approued an assertion That the sinne of one man publ●ckly and obstinately stood in b●ing not reformed nor the offender cast out ●oth s● p●llute the whole congregation that none may commu●●cate with h● same in any of the holy ●hings of God though it be a church r●ghtly con●●ituted till the party be excommun●cated I deney agayn this to be eyther our iudgement or practise Mr. Bern. sayth the form●r position is the ground of this and so it seemeth he c●lumniating vs in the for●er thou●ht he might doe likeweise in this We professe and haue long since publ●shed that none is to separate for f●●lts corru●tiōs which may so long as the Church cōsist●th of m●rtall men will fall out and aris● among them but by due order to s●●k r●dresse th●reof Now that euery Chr●stian not onely may b● tought to rebuke his neighbour for sinne we ha●e playn lawes both ●n the old Testament and the new Leuit. 19.17 Luk. 17.3 That sinners not repenting are after the second admonition to be signified vnto the church is also Christs ordinance Mat. 18 15.17 But what ●f ●he church will not cast him out I answer Synns are eyther con●rouertible or manifest If controuertible and d●ubtf●ll men ought to bear one with anothers different judgement if they doe not but any for this make a breach or separation they syn But if the sinne be manifest as for example a man is conuict of adultery blasphemy theft or the like and the church will not rebuke him nor cast him out but suffer him obstinate and impenitent in his wickednes and plead for him aga●nst such us call vpon them for iudgem●nt then are all such abettors of the wicked sinners themselues and that in a high degree as th' Apostle noteth Rom. 1 31 the whole lump is leuened 1 Cor. 5 1 6. c. and now not that one mans sinne but the sinne of them all is that which polluteth them for they fauour and iustify a wicked man more then God therefore woe is vnto them and Solomon sayth He that sayth to the wicked thou art righteous him shall the people curse and the multitude shall abhorr him Prou 24 24 If M Bern think the sinne is the lesse because a church maynteyns it he is much deceiued evill the more common it is the worse ●t is because God is more dishonoured and mens sowles more endangered If he think men should regard and reuerence the church in this case the law teacheth every man not to follow the many or the mighty to doe euill nor agree in a controuersie to decline after many and ouerthrow the right The ●round of all this is playn in Gods law if any one of the people sinned against any of the commandements of the Lord and one shewed him his sinne which he had committed he was to bring his sacrifice a testification of his repentance If a ruler sinned or the high priest himselfe they were to doe likewise If the whole Congregation sinned the like law was for them God respected no persons but if they that sinned were greater or moe in number they were so farr from being sauoured as they had the greater sacrifice inioyned them a priuate man offred a shee-goat a ruler a hee-goat the high Priest and the Congregation a yong b●llock These lawes were giuen to all sorts of persons for all manner sinns‘ and the law was agayn repeated and stablished from that day forward throughout their generations Num. 15.22.23 c. But if any man despised this law and sinned with a high hand the same blasphemed the Lord and was to be cut off from among his peo●le Num. 15.30.31 Now further that the whol congregation taking Part with wicked men in syn after due admonition are all defiled and subiect to like iudgement we haue a playn example in the whole Tribe of Beniamin where in Gibe●h one of their towns filthines was committed the Tribe was called vpon to deliuer th●se wicked men to death that evill might be put away from Israel ●●t when they would not deliuer them all the other tribes warred against that tr●be and almost rooted out every man of the same Likeweise the tr●bes of Israel in an other case sayd to some of their brethren seeing ye rebel to day against the Lord euen tomorrow he wil be wroth with all the Congregation of Israel Did not Achan sinne c. and wrath fell on all the congregation of Israel and this man alone perished not in his wickednes What Mr Bern. seeth or how he readeth the scriptures I cannot tel but if he knew the contagion of sinne or guilt of the same he would neuer haue writien as he hath done Now where he pleadeth that men should not for the offender refreyn the holy things of God abh●rr the sacrifices c. We grant it The holy things are alwayes to be reuerenced Gods house and sacrifices frequented when we may without sinne But we deny such an assembly to be Gods church as with a high hand sinneth and blasphemeth the Lord. The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination And it cannot be said that any holy thing is lawfully administred in such a society where all agree together to mayntein open iniquity and doe despise the word of the Lord calling them to repentance If they doe not thus we hold it not lawfull to separate from them nor in any weise at any time till all holy and orderly meanes be vsed for their reclayming That euery of their assemblies are false churches This we hold indeed being
more to separate from the● being maynteyned in a false vnle●se a false Church haue more priv●lige t●en ● cr●e And we consider that our separation is from the corr●●ptiō of ● false Church 2. The scr●ptures also are playn that we must separate and forsake all false Churches as well as corru●tions in a true 2. Cor. 6 17. Come out from among them and separate your s●lues saith the Lord and touch no unclean th●ng and I will receiue you Reuelation 18 4 Goe out of her my people that ye receive not of her plagues Hosea 4.15 Come not ye vnto Gilgal neither give vp to Beth●ven and many the like How rightly then doe you allege scriptures as if they taught vs separation in a Church onely and not out of it also when it is false and Idolatro●s 3. Yo●r selues are a president to vs of like practise in separating not in but out of the Church of Rome as yo● haue dealt with the mother so doe we with the daughter because like mother like daughter according to the prouerb Eze. 16.44 4. You allege th● examples of all the proph●ts yet shew you not any that ●al●ed by your r●le to se●arate in the Church and not out of it Wee are sure they called the people out of the Church of Israel when it was idolatrous a●d forbad them to come at their a●semblies Hos 2.2.3.4 4 15.17 Amos. 5.5 And how they co●ld themselues joyn with that Church from which they separated others is strange ūto us especially cōsi●erin● that Israel in that estate is noted by the pro●het Azariah to be with●ut the true God without P●●ist to teach ●nd wiht●ut law 1 Chro. 15.3 and may we thinke he separated not from that Church The Israelites th●n sacr●●iced to Divils not to G●● Deut. 3● 17. Chron. 11.15 and wil yo● s●y the prophets separated not from them 5. The like I Answer to the examples of Christ and his Apostles who as t●ey absteyned from corruptio●s in the Ie●ish Church so were they q●●re sep●r●te● from all false Churches as the Sam●ritans and other like Mat 10 5. Ioh. 4.22 Act. 2.40 199 so the●r examples also doe approue our practise 6. W●ere as you would haue noted that those Churches which Christ and h●s Ap●stles co●●unicated with were Antianosaicall as yours we ●ay ar● 〈◊〉 I 〈◊〉 t●e compar●son For ● the Iewish Church consist●d it all 〈…〉 the same Leuit 20 21.16 of a people separated not onely from heathens but also from f●lse professors heretiks and idolaters and were children of the prophets a●d couenant of God Iohn 4.9 Act 3.25 But your Church c●ns●steth ●f an vnseparated people children of Idolatrous Priests strangers from the couenant of God 2. The Iewes then had their sacrifices seruices and solemne feasts according to Moses Law Mat 8.4 Mar 14.12 Luk 9. ●O 2.21 24 and Chr●st himselfe j●st●f●ed the●r worship Ioh. 4.22 but your seruice worship and f●stival● are after Antichrists law translated out of his masse-booke 3. The●r Priests were according to Moses inst●tution of Aarons line Luk 1 5. with 1 Chro. 2.1 10 their Scribes and Pharisees sate in Moses cha●re Mat 23.2 your Priests after the Popes institution your prelates fit in Antichrist chair So they wer not so much against Moses as you are aga●nst Christ and that your Church reteyneth not the foundation Christ shal through his grace anone be proued The 2. Consideration 2. OVR Church hath the essentiall notes of a true church able to beget a true sauing faith to worke the fruites of the spirit to make a man a true and perfect Christian and last of all to saue him To the which also Christ hath tied his gracious promise and blessing to the end of the world Rom 10 13 17 Mat 28 19.20 Act 20.32 2 Tim. 3.15.16 1. Tim. 4.16 Iam. 1.21 Isa 55 11. Answer THese notes which you propound 1 are not the essentiall notes of a true Church a neyther if they were are they ordinariely found in your Church 1. These are not essentiall notes because 1 One man may haue al this you speake of and no one man is or can be a Church for that consisteth of a multitude or nūber of persons it is an assembly or convocation joyntly together it is a body and euery one severally is but a member 1. Cor 12 20.27 That one man may haue all your es●entiall notes may appear in Pavls exa●ple who was able to b●get a true sauing faith to worke the fruites of the spirit and so the rest 1. Cor. 4 ●5 Gal. 3 2 5. 2. An Angel may haue all the notes you mention and no Angel is a Church For example the Angel Gabriel who was sent to giue Daniel knowledge and understanding and preached liuly of Christs death the benifits thereof Dan. 9.21.22 c 3. A wicked man may doe al that you speake of but no wicked man is a true church Iudas sent forth with the other Apostles to preach and work miracles might bring others to saluation by his doctrine though h●mselfe were a re●robate Mat. 10.5 6. c 4. A true Church is the spowse hous of Christ bringeth him forth a s●irituall seed But as God gaue the blessing of multi●lying childrē onely to lawfull maried estate yet often it commeth to passe through h●s almighty power and goodne●●e that harlots also are partakers of this ble●sing and doe bring forth children so the blessing of spirituall propagation is peculiar to the true Church yet God which brought light out of darknes causeth some children to be borne and brought vp vnto him in false Churches For example the Church of Rome the mother of whordoms and abominations of the earth hath doubtles since she was wedded to Antichrist borne and brought vp by the generall true grounds of Chrstian rel●geon taught in her many children of God and heyres of saluation This I s●ppose your selues will not deny neyther yet w●ll you say that Rome is Christ true Church Your reason then is as if Thamer should haue pleaded I am able to bear c●ildren to nourse and br●ng them vp to mans estate c. therefore I am my Father Iudah● true and lawfull wife Gen. 38 15.18 c. 2. Now if these were essent●all notes which you haue set down yet helpe they you nothing for I deny that they ar ordinarily found in your Ch●rch For though I doubt not but the doctrine of your Church hath saued many yet that is Gods extraordinary blessing not the ordinarie effects of your Church This is the thin● you should haue proued by comparing yo●r Church and min●sterie with the Lawes and promises in Gods word which because you haue not done but onely quoted some scriptures generally which men of all religions may doe likeweise I will by one or two of the script●res that your selfe here ci●e shew how vnlike you are to a true Church and Ministery In Rom. 10.3.17 th' Apostle treateth of two things 1 of calling on