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A29739	Two conferences between some of those that are called Separatists & Independents, concerning their different tenents one whereof, was appointed with Mr. Burton and a number of his church, and the other with Mr. John Goodwin and some of his church ... / now published by D.B. ...	Brown, David, fl. 1650-1652.; Chidley, Samuel.; Burton, Mr.; Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1650 (1650)	Wing B5016; ESTC R20226	18,640	27

a diabolicall uncleannesse upon the same God declares then that they are uncleane and calleth them sin and commandeth them to be pulled down and so we distinguish not in the first place but they make the places to be distinct diabolically by their dedication of those places to Idols and so the distinction is theirs not ours God himself made all things good at the first and made no Devill but made Angels and they made themselves Devills so he made all things good and made no Temple of Idolls or Temple of Devills so concerning men he professeth that he desireth not the death of a sixner and why will ye die O House of Israel to shew them that their damnation is of themselves and yet elsewhere he sheweth in respect of the evill of punishment there is no evill in the City but he doth it but they bring it upon themselves in the first place Therefore when they have made Idols or Idols Temples God owneth them not but in his just judgement punisheth them and commands them to be demolished and we would have them to be destroyed according to Gods Commands and the example of King Josiah 2. Chron. 34. and other holymen of God and therefore we are farre from upholding them yet hold them the Temples of Devills till they are pulled down It s impossible said Mr. Goodwin to prove that all the Temples in the Land are dedicated to Idolls but what if they were is it unlawfull to worship in them therefore 2. These Steeple-houses here were not dedicated to Devills but some to Christ others of them are dedicated to God himself even to the Trinity and most of them are dedicated to Saints c. 3. Christ came into the World to take away the distinction between places and places and to make all places alike and to deny this tendeth to deny that Christ Jesus is come into the world and to establish Jewishme 4. When he came into the world he dissolved the uncleannes which God had made and put upon the Creatures how much more then the uncleannesse which men had put on those places of theirs built of stone 5. By the same grounds we may refuse to worship God in any part of the land suppose this whole Kingdom be dedicated to St. George as France to St. Dennis all the houses dedicated all over the Kingdom as once its said to be wholly dedicated to St. George must we not worship God in the Kingdom because of that 6. In John the 4. its clear that Jesus Christ speaking to the woman of Samaria sheweth that all places are now alike and as there is no place unto which the worship of God is bound so there is no place though an Idolls Temple but that men may lawfully worship and serve God in for when the woman questioned saying v. 20. Our Fathers worshipped in this Mountain and ye say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship 21. Jesus said unto the woman believe me the houre cometh when ye shall neither in this Mountain nor yet at Jerusalem Worship the Father As if he should say the houre is coming that all places shall be left free for to worship in both this mountain and all others not one place above another but all alike no place more holy no place more unholy though in the Mountain of Samaria where was an Idolls Temple and so takes away the distinction of places which was under the Law And the reason why the Idolls Temples were prohibited under the Law was because God had branded them then 7. Upon the same ground that we must not worship in these places because dedicated by Idolaters it is not lawful for men to worship in their houses because Idolatry hath been committed theer Unto all which Mr. Chidley made answer as followeth 1. It is not impossible to prove these Temples in the Land which the Idolators frequent to be dedicated to Idolls And the way to try them is as a Thief or Murderer is tryed when he is arraigned before the Judge if he confesse it with his own mouth he is out of his own mouth condemned even so if the founders of these places have confessed out of their own mouthes that they have dedicated them to such uses as the Records of the Realm testifie the said places are condemned and ought to be executed but for these things I referre unto the records of the Realme and unto those plain and manifest proofes openly known formerly 2. Whereas it s alledged that they were not dedicated unto Devills I say Temples dedicated to Idolls are dedicated to Devils and so the Apostle Paul speaketh of the Idolls Sacrifices when he saith to the Corinthians 1 Cor. 10. 20. That the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to Devills and not to God and I would not that they should have fellowship with Devills The Scripture calleth Idolls by the name of Devills so the two calves which Jeroboam set up at Dan and Bethel were called Devills for in setting up and worshipping Idolls men set up and worship Devills therefore the Temples of Idolls are the Temples of Devills and not the Temples of God no more are these And whereas it is said some are dedicated to Christ what is their Christ their Christ is not he that standeth at the right hand of God but it is a peece of bread which they fall down and worship calling it their God and eat it when they have done O ridiculous horrible impiety worse then Jeroboams and they do not say it s a figure of the body of Christ and the wine a figure of the blood of Christ but say they it is really the Body and Blood of Christ and to this Christ do they dedicate their Temples which they call Christs Chruch And so their Trinity is not the eternall God the Father Son and Holy Spirit but their Trinity which they worship is the picture painted upon a wall of an old man sitting in that which they picture for heaven and there is the Picture of what they call the Son and the Holy Ghost they have also painted out in the likenesse of a Dove this is their Trinity which they fall down and worship and dedicate their Temples unto And admit that most of them were dedicated to Saints and Angels it is to be considered whether it be not Idolatry to dedicate any Places to Saints or Angels but what are your Saints or Angels which they dedicate their Temples unto new Images which they make of them that are no more like unto them then my Pictur is like Mr. Goodwins and they fall down before these Images saying St. Peter save me St. Paul save me c. These their impieties far exceed the Abominations of the Heathens and so are their Idols Temples abominable places and ought not to be worshipped in of the Saints Besides divers Temples in England are builded and dedicated to the Heathen Gods as well as these are to the Christian

eat And I will destroy your high places and cut down your Images and cast your Carcases upon the Carcases of your Idoles and my soule shall abhorre you 2 Chron. 34. 1. 2 3 4 5 6 7. 1 Kings 13. 2. 2 Kings 23. 13. 14 15 16 17 18 19 20. Mr. Chidleys Letter to Mr. Goodwin And the summe of the Conference which followed thereupon Mr. GOODVVIN THese are to certify you that Mrs. Goodsone who is one of your Congregation is wife to one whoe is a Member with us of the Separation and she findeth her selfe agrieved that her Husband is not free to communicate with her in spirituall worship now she would willingly know wherein the difference lyes that we cannot communicate with you Therefore we have occasion to inquire into the matter forme ministery worship and government of your Church and shall desire satisfaction therein that it is according to the rule before we can joyne in Communion therewith or with any of the Members thereof knowing that our Lord Christ requireth separation in Worship not in part but wholly both from persons and things polluted with diabolicall uncleannesse and to cleanse our selves from all filthiness both of flesh and spirit and to perfect holiness in his feare which is the desire of the soule of him who is Your true friend ready to receive your manifestation when you shall appoint that I may come to you or you to me SAMUEL CHIDLEY 13th day of the 6th month 1648. Upon the 22. of August 1648. the meeting was appointed to be unto which divers persons came at which Mr. Chidley would have insisted upon the matter and forme c. And first upon the matter but Mr. Goodwin would not debate that nor other things there desired to be handled but said he would go a readier way to work and make an end of the businesse without that for saith he suppose it be granted that all our matter be so corrupt as you presuppose it is yet it is lawfull for your Members to communicate with ours for saith he it is lawfull for a man to communicate with one whom he doubts whether he be a Believer or not but this was denied by Mr. Chidley from two considerations First That whatsoever is doubtfull is not to be practised though it be a thing indifferent because it is not of faith and therefore a sin because whatsoever is not of faith is sin Secondly much more is he to forbeare that which is contrary to the word of God as to communicate with one of whom we have not good testimony of his life and conversation and that the work of grace is wrought upon him that he is effectually called and separated from Idolatry and cleaveth unto the Way of Christ in purity Now said he we know you not yee are strangers to us We are not come to accuse but to hear your manifestation for our satisfaction that yee are fit matter for the Church of Christ and we hope we shall not break Communion for every circumstance of difference amongst us if it do not make against the abosolute being of a Saint Then Mr. Goodwin said I grant that a man is not to practise a thing if he be doubtfull of it but howsoever he that is doubtfull is to give good reason of his doubt Then the Gentleman that doubted was called upon to give his Reasons why he could not communicate with his wife who told them that the Lord had shewed him the evill of the Church of England and that he was joyned to a separated Congregation and thought that he should not be fit matter for the Church to communicate with if he should hold Communion with the Members of Mr. Goodwins Church because Mr. Goodwins Peoples practice was to preach and heare in the Parrish-Churches of England and to Worship in the Idolls Temples and to Baptize the Children of unbelievers and such like Then after some further discourse they shewed themselves to be willing to debate the businesse concerning the high places whereupon the question was stated Whether it were lawfull to worship in the Idolls Temples The sum of the Conference briefly followeth The Apostle to Timothy Tim. 2. 8. saith I will therefore that men pray every where lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting And thereupon Mr. Goodwin argued that Gods word had made no restriction and therefore that we are not to restraine it and that therefore this word every where in this place is to be taken for all manner of places without exception To which Mr. Chidley answered that God himself had made restrictions shewing that we are not to worship him in Idolls Temples for he hath commanded them to be quite pull'd down Numb. 33. 52. and that command is not taken away but remaineth in full force to this day This word every in this place is to be restrained as in other places where it s said Children obey your Parents in all things Col. 3. 20. Servants obey your Masters in all things and every Creature of God is good and all things are lawfull In all which we are to know how farre such words are restrained and how farre not it extendeth and is to be restrained to lawfull things and so this place where he saith pray every where that is in every place which is not prohibited by Gods Law but it s prohibited by Gods Law for the Saints to worship in Idols Temples for he hath commanded they should be quite pluckt down saying ye shall quite pluck down all their high places Numb. 33. 52. because they are polluted with diabolicall uncleannesse now this Command was never abrogated as I said before But Mr. Goodwin said there is no Guilt of sin upon the high places neither is there any sin imputed to them but its a sin to hold restriction of places for Gods worship To which Mr. Chidley answered That God accounts them diabolically uncleane and calleth them by the name of sin it selfe as he calleth the high places of Aven the sin of Israel Hosea 10. 8. And if it be a sin to hold restriction of places for the worship of God then it is a sin to uphold that restriction by worshipping God in those places that are so restrained It s you that uphold distinction of places said Mr. Goodwin not we who meet in them we hold all places alike Mr. Chidley answered again we uphold not the distinction of places but it s you by your worshipping and pleading for those places that are restrained by men Saith Mr. Goodwin even now you would maintain distinction of places and now you say you uphold no distinction of places Mr. Chidley said its true in a sense we uphold them not at all but when they have set up Idolls Temples we do hold that those places are made diabolicall by them because wicked men have dedicated them to their Idols no more doth God himself in the first place make such distinctions of places as they make but when once they have put