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A76286 Planes apokalypsis. Popery manifested, or, the Papist incognito made known by way of dialogue betwixt a Papist priest, Protestant gentleman, and Presbyterian divine. In two parts. Intended for the good of those that shall read it by L. B. P. Beaulieu, Luke, 1644 or 5-1723. 1673 (1673) Wing B1574B; ESTC R232440 78,493 144

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is seven Sacraments instituted by Christ as they did in the Canons of their seventh Session for one might look long enough before he could find any such thing in the New Testament and they were not pleased to say when nor where two or three of them were instituted P. Can't you take it upon their credit and don 't you think that as they had more so they had better eyes than you Sure you put a great deal of confidence in your capacity and in your senses That 's the reason I believe that you will not be perswaded that in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper the substance of Bread and Wine is really changed into the very substance of the Body and Bloud of Christ so that not only under either kind of the Elements but also under each the least crum or drop of them Christ is wholly and substantially contained his Body and Bloud with his Soul and Divine Nature This the same Fathers have taught us and it shall not be the weakness of your eyes shall save you from the Anathema they have pronounc'd against all those that will not believe it Concil Trid. c. 4. S. 13. Sacra Synodus declarat per consecrationem panis vini conversionem fieri totius substantiae panis in substantiam corporis Domini totius substantiae vini in substantiam sanguinis ejus S. 13. Can. 3. Et alibi Si quis negaverit in vencrabili sacramento sub unaquaque specie sub singulis cujuscunque speciei partibus separatione facta totum Christum contineri Anathema sit Si quis negaverit in Sacramento contineri vere S. 13. Can 1. realiter substantialiter corpus sanguinem una cum anima divinitate Domini ac proinde totum Christum Anathema sit G. Should they put out my very eyes with their fulminations I cannot believe the Gloss as they have made upon the Text of the Institution of that Sacrament I believe what Christ said That the Bread and Wine are his Body and Bloud after what manner he best knows I am sure his words are true and real though mysterious beyond the reach of our reason A little modesty had better becom'd your holy Fathers than thus peremptorily to define things which they themselves confess to be abstruse and by their Definitions heap absurdities one upon another make a thin Wafer and every crum of it distinctly to become a whole and entire Body so that you receive at a time as many Bodies of Christ as there is little parcels in the Bread you take And what becomes of all those entire Bodies and Souls in your Stomachs who knows And how Christ came by such an infinite multitude of Bodies when we read but of one that was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the holy Virgin and now sits at the right hand of God as we say in our Creed And what will become of them all whether they shall be reduc'd to nothing or glorified also after they have been a certain time in the Stomachs of the Receivers These and many more Questions some whereof very impious have been and are still disputed amongst your School-Divines Why was a Mystery which should be the object of our faith and reverence made a perplexed Riddle by making the object of our sense gross and material Eph. 3.17 The Scripture saith That Christ dwells in our hearts by faith not by a corporal presence which requires no faith as to that manner of presence Mat. 26.11 Christ saith The poor ye have always with you but me ye have not alway And St. Col. 3.1 Paul Seek ye the things which are above where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God It is written Heb. 2.17 That in all things he was made like unto his Brethren therefore his Body is but in one place at once and where it is is the object of sense as ours be and as we read his was after his Resurrection when he told his Disciples Handle me and see Luk. 24.39 for a Spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have And the Angels said when he went up into Heaven Act. 1.11 This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into Heaven These Scriptures are plain and easie there is no mystery in them as there is in the words of the Institution of the Sacrament therefore he that believes both according as they are reveal'd doth certainly better than he that expounds a mysterious Text so as thereby to contradict many clear and plain ones P. But then how could Christ be really sacrificed in the Sacrament if his Body and Bloud was not there for we firmly believe that in the Mass the very same Christ who once yielded himself a bloudy sacrifice upon the Cross is bodily sacrificed without bloud-shedding and therein according to the Apostolical Tradition is truly and really offered a sacrifice not only for the sins pains satisfactions and other necessities of the faithful alive but also for those that are dead in the Lord and are not yet throughly purged Conc. Trident. S. 22. Cap. 2. Quoniam in divino illo sacrificio quod in Missa peragitur idem ille Christus continetur incruenter immolatur qui in ara crucis semel seipsum cruente obtulit docet sancta Synodus sacrificium istud vere propitiatorium esse quare non solum pro fidelium virorum peccatis poenis satisfactionibus aliis necessitatibus sed pro defunctis in Christo nondum ad plenum purgatis rite juxta Apostolorum traditionem offertur G. We don't read when Christ instituted the Sacrament that he offered a bodily Sacrifice for the sins of the living and the dead or instituted such an one though we believe that blessed Sacrament really to be a commemorative Sacrifice of that which Christ offered upon the Cross and which was typified as now it is remembred by real Sacrifices we don't read of any adoration given by the Apostles to the Sacrament but you teach that it must be worshipped with that highest kind of worship which is proper to God alone Latriae cultu Conc. Trident. S. 13. Cap. 5. We find the same example and command for the receiving the Wine as the Bread but you have wholly taken away the sacred Wine from all but the Ministers and withal pronounc'd a curse to those that should dare to say that ye have not well done Conc. Trident. S. 21. Can. 2. as also to those that should find fault with your not speaking in a vulgar Tongue or with your speaking very low part of the Canon and the words of Consecration or with your mixing Water with the Wine Concil Trident. S. 22. Can. 5. or with your celebrating Masses in honour of the Saints and to obtain their intercession Si imposturam esse Missas celebrare in honorem sanctorum pro illorum
mediata per populum aut ordines regni vel Senatum civitatis at si istud non succedat qui est status necessitatis potest per se immediate procedere dando illius regnum alteri Orthodoxo principi vel primo victori Orthodoxo illud assignando ut Stephanus Papa transtulit imperium à Graecis ad Germanos Innocentius quartus interdixit regni administrationem Regi Portugaliae fratrem ejus substituens c. So likewise Cardinal Bellarmine doth teach That though the Pope as Pope may not usually yet that as Supreme Spiritual Prince he may for the good of souls dispose of Kingdoms as he thinks good take them away from one and give them to another Non potest Papa ut Papa ordinarie c. tamen potest mutare regna uni auferre atque alteri conferre tanquam summus Princeps Spiritualis si id necessarium sit ad animarum salutem For you must know That in the Church the Ecclesiastick and the Civil Power are as in Man the Spirit and the Flesh and that Kingdoms and Governments are not immediately of God but of Men whereas the Power of the Bishop of Rome comes immediately from God Bell. de Rom. Pont. l. 5. c. 6. Vt se habent in homine spiritus caro sic se habent in Ecclesia potestas politica Ecclesiastica regna non sunt immediate à Deo instituta sed ab hominibus Pontificatus autem à Deo immediate est institutus And so The Pope hath power to dispose of all temporal things belonging to all Christians in general Pontifex Romanus in ordine ad bonum spirituale habet summam potestatem disponendi de temporalibus rebus omnium Christianorum And according to that unlimited Power in the Head the Body of the Clergy enjoys great Priviledges They are above or at least equal to King and Princes and therefore not bound to obey them neither by Divine nor Humane right Ibid. Respectu clericorum non sunt principes superiores potestates ac proinde non tenentur clerici principibus parere neque jure divino neque humano nisi quantum ad leges quasdam directivas i. e. non obligatione eoactiva And so The Goods and Estates of Clergy-men as well Temporal as Ecclesiastick are and ought to be free from Taxes and all duties to Princes and they themselves ought not to be judged by any Civil Magistrate although they do not observe Civil Laws Bell. de Clericis L. 1. c. 28. Non possunt Clerici à judice saeculari judicari etiamsi leges civiles non servent Bona clericorum tam Ecclesiastica quam saecularia libera sunt ac merito esse debent à tributis principum saecularium G. Yes I see your Pope is a petty God upon Earth his Power is not to be controul'd and whatever he doth his Almightiness and Infallibility will bear him out and make the thing good and just though it seem never so much otherwise But sure in this he is none of Christs Vicar the meek and humble JESVS would not so much as divide the Inheritance betwixt two Brethren much less dispose of whole Kingdoms he paid tribute to Caesar and acknowledged his Authority to be from above and we read no where that ever he gave any such power to his Apostles or their Successors as the Pope pretends to He told them indeed that they should be brought and condemned before the Tribunals of Kings and Princes but did no where tell them that ever Kings and Princes should be brought before their Pontifical Chairs to be judged and punished by them We read but of one that ever pretended to have the power of disposing of the Kingdoms of the World he that said All these things will I give thee Mat. 4.9 And except the Head of your Church will acknowledge himself to be his Surrogate he had best shew us how he came by the same Power But this Doctrine is so contrary to the example and Religion of our Lord Jesus Christ that it will be its own antidote you your selves are ashamed to own it openly and when it is known it is confuted P. I see we shall never agree as to particulars as long as you believe to have the Scripture on your side you 'll never yield to the Authority of our Church which you don't think to be infallible But in general by your own Confession ours is the best and the safest Church for you yield that a man may be sav'd in it whereas we utterly deny the same priviledge to yours Stapl. contr 3. quaest 9. 10. the Communion of the Church of Rome being absolutely necessary to the Salvation of all men Romanae Ecclesiae Communio omnibus est ad salutem necessaria You also grant that the Bishop of Rome is St. Peters Successor which is a great point And I believe you won't deny but that there is Miracles wrought in our Church which are unanswerable Arguments of the truth of its Doctrine These three are substantial points and will abundantly outweigh all the petty Objections you can bring against some parts of our Religion Pray consider of them at your leisure G. To my thinking they require no great consideration and there is no such weight in them as you fancy though you make great use of such woodden Arguments to seduce the simple yet to those that have but an ordinary competency of knowledge they seem very insignificant The first is comon to you with our Fanaticks they all confine Salvation every one to his own Sect and you and they together take advantage of our charity in that we don't exclude you out of Heaven you believe that you only shall come in it But Mr. Novator don't you trust to our charitable Opinions we may be mistaken for we pretend to no infallibility There was two Barques putting out to Sea both of them bound for Jerusalem one was rotten leaky and much out of order but the Master of it was a bold Man and of an imposing Spirit he would perswade the people that it was St. Peters own Barque that it was imposing Spirit he would perswade the people that it was St. Peters own Barque that it was impossible it should sink and that all as many as would not come into it should certainly be drown'd and never come to the Holy Land The other Barque was sound and strong and well fitted for the Voyage the Passengers therein would tell those in the leaky one of their great danger and exhort them to stop the holes and put things in better order though they did not despair but that some of them might swim to shore upon some pieces of the Barque Now do you think this mans confidence would hold his sinking Ship upon the Water or that the compassionates hopes and wishes of the others would make their own sink Certainly uncharitableness is a very unfit mark to know Christianity and the true Church by But let me tell