ordain Elders in every City with Fasting Prayer and Imposition of Hands if every Person that will may run and ordinarily Preach without any such Ordination And thou say'st you may see how Persons were sent forth to Preach in Scripture Acts. 13. 23. and 14. 23 1 Tim. 4. 14. Answ. To which I say that the purpose of God in ordaining Elders in every City as is mentioned in that Acts. 14. 23. was not that proud and covetous Men who have a little Worldly Wisdom only to talk of the Letter and wrest Scripture by should perk up and set up themselves in the place of God's Elders in God's Church But that in this Church by his Spirit in those Elders the Body might be Edified and all kept in good order amongst them through Love Mind this was the Church of God which was in God 1 Thess. 1. 1. the Body of Christ of his Flesh and of his Bone Eph. 5. 23 24. Not a Worldly People gathered in the Will of Man into a vain Form without the power not I say the Synagogue of Satan who denies Perfection and the Sufficiency of Christ's Light And that there is none knows any thing aright but by the Letter as this John Reynolds pretends is not true for the Church of God was taught of God and the Elders in this Church were not brought up at the Worlds Schools of Learning nor called of Men Master nor Hirelings nor Persecutors of the Innocent as the Presbyters of these days are but they were Holy Men of God of mean account in the World raised up meerly by God's Power out of the Heathenish and Jewish Worships to know Christs Spirit and his Anointing in them which taught them all things and they were not such as got the Magistrate to help them to great Livings and fat Benefices and compel all by his Iron Sword to come in to them but they were Sufferers under the Powers of the World as we are at this day But whereas thou speakest of every Man that is not so ordained running in his own will ordinarily to Preach thou may'st take that to thy self and your selves who never were ordained by the Holy Ghost as they were for when did the Holy Ghost in your Assemblies say as in Acts. 13. 2. Separate such and such for the work I have appointed them unto Nay nay you have run and God never sent you for you never heard his Holy Voice at any time and therefore you profit not the People at all but make them more Cunning to Dispute against the Truth than they were before they followed you But what Ordination of Man had Paul at his first going out to Preach See Gal. 1. he received not the Gospel by Man and went not to Man no not to the Apostles themselves for Ordination and Commission to Preach but immediately Preached Christ as many have done and do at this Day who go under the Reproach of the name Quaker And so God is Restoring his Church to us Primitive Purity and Power to the stopping of the Mouth and confounding the Wisdom of all Flesh whether called Pope Cardinals Bishops or Presbyters that the true Eldership and Body of Christ to God's Glory may again appear And what Rules and Orders are and shall be in this true Church is known to God and by him Manifested and to be Manifested to the Body it self and not to the World for the World must neither have the right Understanding nor Management of those things no more than they had in those Days when it was said I stand not to Mans Judgment for the Holy Anointing must be all in the Church of God for ever Qu. 10. Thy Tenth and next Query is a plain discovery of thy Folly and of thy manifest Enmity against the simple Appearance of Truth in any discovery and though thou say the Scripture is thy Rule yet by it thou canst not endure to be Ruled but plain Language it self is thy Burthen and therefore thou askest how it can be said that ever Christ or his Apostles or Patriarchs or Prophets used the words Thou and Thee when they never spake English And how can it be unlawful for us to use the word You to each other since the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou and so it seems thou say'st 2 Sam. 15. 27. Answ John Reynolds Didst thou Read this Query twice over Or didst thou at all Consider what thou said'st in it Was either the Fear of God or Care of thy own Credit before thy Eyes when thou writest it Surely neither But thou hast judged in thy self with thy vain Thought that because thou hast used to blind thy poor Hearers and make them believe any thing for Truth thou speakest or writest therefore it will be so with others Nay nay the Day is dawned the Lord hath given his People an Eye whereby all Covers are seen through and to this Light thou hast manifested as much Nakedness and Blindness to be in thee as in the grossest of them that say Mass at Rome or read Common-Prayer in English Nay I do believe many of them would be ashamed to argue thus as thou dost to wit because Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets did not speak in the English Tongue that therefore they used not the words Thou and Thee How came the Translators to Translate their Words when they speak to a particular Person Thou and Thee and never You as may all over Scripture be easily found thou may'st as well say Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets said nothing at all that is Recorded in Scripture in the English Tongue because they spoke not English so the Lord hath catched the Wise in his own Craftiness but thou goest on and say'st the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou which I say is altogether false for You is not at all Singular but Plural altogether and so the Translators of the Bible knew and therefore never Translated their Singular Term in the forraign Language to you in English but Thou and Thee as is before mentioned and for that place in 2 Sam. 15. 27 thou set'st down and says it seems that You is used to a singular there it shames thee for if envy to the Truth had not Blinded thee thou mightest 〈…〉 that the King speaking to Zadock and saying Your Sons and you speaks not of Zadock and his Son but of Zadock and Abiathar and their Sons as the very words next after and in Verse 29. plainly shew and so here thou hast committed that great Error thy self that thy Generation use to Charge falsly upon us to wit in taking a piece of a Verse that seems to make for thy purpose and leaves out the rest that shews fully the Sense Qu. 11. Thy Eleventh and next Query is
that have Eyes may see thee to be an outward Jew only But if thou say with us it is the Light of Christ that shineth in Darkness John 1. which at the Commandment of God shineth out of Darkness 2 Cor. 4. to give the knowledge of Gods Glory to Man in the Face of Christ then the business about Sufficiency of the Light between us is at an end and the Truth stands over the from thy own words The next is when thou hearest the Scripture mentioned thy Windy Slightly Crafty Doctrine of Deceivers Ephes 4. 14. then thou shoots thy Sting at the Innocent and would'st have People believe that is to be applyed to us who Preach Christ and his all-sufficiency in and for every one that can Receive Him who is near every Man and by his Light shineth to Conviction and Judgment in every Man who would have all Men to be saved and come to the knowledge of his Truth which is nigh in the Heart and in the Mouth but this was the Apostles Doctrine and so not to be condemned in us but thou goest on telling of two ways of Deceiving the one thou namest the upper way which thou say'st is by Philosophy the Traditions of Men Rudiments of the World and Sciences falsly so called And Praised be God thou art as it were forced by the Light in thy Conscience to acquit us from being of this Number but truly the Light in our conscience tells us expresly that thou John Reynolds art one of them that are â—n this upper way as thou callest it of deceit for of Philosophy Traditions of Men Worldly Rudiments and false Sciences is the Body of thy Divinity made up as well as other of thy Brethren the Hirelings thou would'st condemn for the difference is not in the nature of your Doctrine but in the form And so though an Idol of Gold appear more beautiful than one of baser mettle yet it is an Idol still and so you are both in the Fighting and Persecuting nature as all Idolaters are Ephraim against Manasseh and Manasseb against Ephraim but both against Judah one for the Common-Prayer another for the Directory but neither will own the Lambs Light in you to Teach and Guide you and so though you may have a Form of Godliness more Painted than they yet denying the Power Christ in man you are all alike to be turned away from And so John Finch and John Payton in turning from thee as well as the other Formalists are excuseable and though thou goest about to perswade them from the Truth by telling them of a lower way of deceiving by a voluntary Humility and neglecting of the Body and wearing a rough Garment to deceive which thou would'st intimate to be our condition yet this will not deceive their minds if they keep to the true Light of Christ in them for in that they feel our Garment to be smooth and sweet through the Fathers Love not rough or hairy as the Hypocrites is who kill one another about their ways of Worship but for voluntary Humility in the will offered up by heaps which is no better than filthy smoke in the nostrils of a pure God in this day and Praised be God that hath brought us from this into the true Humility but how thy words of accusing us here of neglecting the Body and afterwards of Drunkenness can agree let the wise in Heart consider but all in thy changeable nature and unstable must needs be Self-contradictors and so who be the Thieves that Christ in this day is Crucified between is thus far in part and will afterwards God willing more appear Also it is observable from that Preface of thine further where it is said that this latter viz. Namely the lower way of deceiving may possibly prevail though not with the present Multitude yet some unstable Souls that have been none enlightned and have tasted the good Word of God and the Power of the World to come but are not yet rooted and settled in the Truth and grace of the Lord Jesus Christ then I say thou need'st not fear any of thy followers to be deceived on this manner for none can be savingly enlightned who denies the sufficiency of Christs Light the Grace of God which hath appeared to all Men yea in their Darkness shineth though the Darkness comprehend it not as thou dost not and none can say in Truth they have tasted the Good Word of God who puts the Letter for it and denies the sufficiency of Christs Light which is his Word nigh in the Heart and Mouth as thou dost nor none can truly be said to taste the Powers of the World to come who deny to bow their Hearts to the least Measure of Christs Light in them accounting it insufficient as thou dost And so it is the real Believers that had need to take heed of being Deceived with fair Shews and rough Garments for the Hypocrites are deceived already But what Doctrine John Reynolds doth judge in these he calls silly Seducers and Quakers to be amiss and by these two men he writes unto to be taken heed of may gathered out of these Queries to instance some 1. Because they say Christ Lighteth every man with a sufficient Light that cometh into the World 2. Because they say That the Measure of the Spirit of God in man is the true and certain trier of all Spirits 3. Because they say Christ himself and not the empty declaration without is the Word of God 4. Because they say Christ the better hope being come sinless perfection thorough him is attainable here 5. Because they say Judgment is commited to the Saints even whilst they are in the Body and therefore such may Judge and yet say they it is not flesh but Spirit that Judgeth all things 6. Because they make Conscience of saying Thou and Thee to a particular which is the plain Language 7. Because they say that all Honour and Glory and Worship is to be given to God alone and not to any Creature 8. Because they say The true Church is in God and so no Unrighteous One in it or of it and so can neither call the Wicked God's Church nor a House of Wood and Stone his Church 9. Because they cannot own the Worlds Sprinkling of Infants with a little outward Water for Christ's Baptism and because they cannot own that for a right Communion which is in Sin and who eat Bread and drink Wine in Remembrance of a Coming of Christ which they say shall never be while they are here and the like But now something the Lord assisting may be spoken particularly in Answer to the Queries themselves and the first of them is this Query 1. First Question If that Light which is within every Man that cometh into the World be sufficient without the Preaching of the Gospel how is it that Heathens know little or nothing of the True God Answ. To this I answer That thou run'st here upon a false Ground and so
draws this and the rest of thy stumbling Consequences from thy own Imaginations not from our Words for we do not Exclude the Preaching of the Gospel from the Light nor the Light from it but say That is the true Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World one loves the Light believes it and follows it and is led to God and so saved by it sufficiently the other hates it and it is his Condemnation And this is the Gospel Preaching and this Light of Christ in every Man is the Light of the Glorious Gospel whether it be declared of to the outward Ear in Words or not but he that Preaches not this True Light Preaches another Gospel though there be not another Gospel And I say unto you all People if a seeming Angel Preach not this Gospel of Light this Grace of God which brings Salvation which hath appeared to all Men and is the Saints Teacher and Keeper he is to be accursed But whereas thou cell'st of Heathen Answer All are Heathens now and Ignorant of the True God who know nothing of the sufficiency of the Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World but thou askest in the end of that Query two very Childish Questions The first Why we exhort all Men to follow the Light within if that be sufficient I answer Because it is sufficient therefore do we Exhort all Men to follow it for that which is not sufficient is not safe to follow And so you that are so full of words and ignorant of the Sufficiency beat the Air and deceive the People keeping silly Women ever Learning and never able to bring them to the knowledge of the Truth which perfects to God all the commers thereunto Thy second Query there How could the Word of God be called a Mystery hid from Ages and Generations but now is made manifest if the Light within be sufficient And then quotes Eph. 3. 9. Col. 1. 25 26. Mat. 11. 25. I answer That it was within and sufficient when it lay hid as a Mystery till God's full time came of revealing it and therefore Christ compares it to many Powerful and Precious though hidden things and of little account to the outward view as to a Grain of Mustard-seed in the Earth to a little Leaven within much Flower to Treasure hid in the Field and Christ said to the Pharisees that God's Kingdom was to be found in Man he excludes none and those Scriptures thou sett'st down prove for this Truth and against thy roving Mind which is in the outward observings thinking to find the Kingdom there when Christ saith it cometh not that way see Luke 17. 20 21. What wilt thou conclude it was not because it lay hid What Logick is this Doth not Paul there say that the Mystery which was so hid and which he by the Spirit now Preached which was Christ in the Gentiles the Hope of Glory And Christ was Light and to this Light he warned every Man to take heed but the little Children not the Masters obey the Voice and so are led into the Understanding of the Mystery Qu. 2. In the next general Query thou askest Are not the Scriptures the Words of the Lord whose Words are they And why is the Scripture so often called the Word of God and the Word of the Lord And for this thou brings many Scriptures as Exod. 24. 4. 2. Kings 20. 26 27 28 29. Psal. 12. 6. Jer. 36. 4 6 8 11. Acts 19. 10. 2 Cor. 2. 17. 1. Thes. 1. 8. Answ. To this I say First That the Holy Scriptures were given forth by Holy Men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and so they may be called the Words of God or of the Lord not that Spirit and Living Word but that those Scriptures prove what thou bringest them for to wit that the Scriptures or Writings without is there called the Word of God is not true it is said indeed in that of 2 Kings 20. 16. That Isaiah said unto Hezekiah Hear the Word of the Lord and Hezekiah said Good is the Word of the Lord and in other places of Scriptures that the Word of the Lord came to the Prophets and that in the fore-mentioned place of Acts and Corinthians and Thessalonians mention is made of the Apostles Preaching the Word of God all this is true but of Exodus and Psalms and Jeremiah mention is made of Words but what doth all this prove but only that the Word came to Holy Men this Word was God and as this Word moved in them and gave them Wisdom and Utterance they writ or spoke forth Words as a Declaration of what was in the Mind or Word of God or what God was and what though the Scriptures may be thus called The Words of the Lord or his Prophets or Apostles Acted by his Power which we never denied this is nothing to the Hypocrites who use their Tongues to say The Lord saith when he never spoke by them but make a Trade of the Scriptures for filthy Lucre and by their much pressing the Declaration to be the Word of God have quite clouded the Word if self Christ from whence true Words come from the Peoples Minds so that scarce any have any true Living Feeling after God in his Word Christ for in the beginning was the Word before all Declarations and shall be after all the Peaceable Life of all that Believe for ever So that the Lord saw it good to stir up a People in these days to be True and Living Witnesses of the Word for the stopping of the Mouths of all such as have gotten the Words as Thieves from others and so kept People in the form with themselves always Professing but never Possessing the Power which the Scripture Witness unto and so the Letter and empty Words kill'd and do kill but now the Living Spirit and Living Word being Witnessed the Scriptures is owned in its place and Resurrection to Life being felt the Crown is set upon the King's Head whose Name is called The Word of God who was and is and is to come over all God Blessed for evermore and it is considerable that the Ministers of Christ are never called Ministers of the Letter or Words but of the Word and Spirit 2 Cor. 3. and that Christ and his Apostles mentioning the Prophets Words usually called them Scripture and not The Word of God as the custom of Hypocrites is now All Flesh is Grass and all outward Sounds and Signs vanish but the Word of the Lord that endures for ever and this is that Word which by the Gospel the Power of God is Preached and by nothing else savingly which when understood People are One but not before for it is the weakness which is like the Womans speaking makes Dissention so let the Scripture have its due and the Word of God its due and all is Beautiful in its place Query 3. In thy third thou askest How shall we know whether
Imaginations when you Pray as the Hyportes do lest Satan Transformed carry you about and fill you with the Wind of his Frothy Spirit making you believe you Pray with Gods Spirit when it is his own lying Spirit as his Custom is amongst you to work Qu. 16. So thou having spent thy Strength in Pleading for your Set-Places and Times in Imitation of the Jews thou goest in this Query endeavouring to prove your Work on these times in those places from the likeness of them to theirs then And thus as you do so do the Papists for their Customs for they Reason as thou do'st For had not the Jews say they a Temple and Synagogues So we Had not they One High Priest So we who is called a Pope had not they an Altar and Sacrifice outward So we Had not they their Set-Fasts and Musick in their Temples and Quiristers and Tythes and Offerings and such things And so have we say they So saith John Reynold here in this present Sixteenth Query Had not the Saints in former Times the Scriptures Read in their Congregations Acts 15. 21. Luke 4. 16. and sometimes Expounded Neh. 8. 7 8. and Prayed there Verse 6. and Singing David's Psalms there 1 Chron. 16. 7. c. and Blessing the People in the Name of the Lord Num. 6. 23. c. Well this was so under the Law but what wilt thou infer from this that you may continue the Customs of the Jews in such things that follows not unless you will deny the Ascension of Christ Eph. 4. from 8. to 17. for the Jews were under the Law and so they had a Worldly Sanctuary and a Worldly Service with divers Ordinances of that Nature until the time of Reformation by Christ raised up and come again in Spirit and then says God Behold I make all things New and so he that is in Christ is a New Creature Old things passed away all things become New New Temple New Offerings and Service New Prayers Singings Preachings which no Worldly Man can get into but all with the Holy Spirit and with Understanding But thou bringest several places out of the Writings of the Apostles and Luke as in Acts Corinthians and Hebrews to prove that the Apostles and Saints use Praying Preaching Psalms and Blessing amongst them Yea but what is that to you that deny that Infallible Spirit of God to be Head in you that guided them and so get the Worlds Wisdom Acts and Helps instead thereof to make you Ministers and Saints by You have indeed in some things a Form of their Works but the Power being found not only wanting amongst you but denied by you the Children of Light are necessitated to turn away from you and thus to witness against you But thou say'st Christ did not only Read the Letter in the Jews Synagogues but also Preached from a Text of it To which I answer For his Reading he did upon account of being a Jew to fulfil all that Righteousness of the Law in his day till his Offering up but that he Preached from a Text as you Priests do I utterly deny For his doing at that time was only this He being Reading in the Prophet as is mentioned in that Fourth of Luke and in providence meeting with that place which said The Spirit of the Lord is upon me for he hath Anointed me to Preach the Gospel he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted c. And the Spirit of the Lord arising in him in Life and Power and Witnessing in him to the fulfilling of that Scripture in himself He was overcome with Love and Glory and so closed the Book and gave it again to the Servant and sate down and so the Eyes of the People were sasiened on him through Admiration and Ravishments of Love and Spirit that was upon him and so as that Living Spirit gave him Utterance in the Silence of all Flesh he spoke to them and Preached in many Gracious Words the fulfilling of that Scripture in the Ears of that Day And this was Christs doing there But O you poor naked Teachers of England c. What have you to do to boast of this Example for warranting your Practice There was no choosing a Verse in a Chapter in the Will of Man which you think you can raise most words from and so consult with your own Imaginations and old rusty Books how you may raise an Hours Discourse from it and so divine to please the itching Ears of Carnal Professors that they may give you outward Honour Glebe-lands Tythes Augmentations Easter-Reckonings and the like to please your Lusts and if need be to Fight for you and lay their Sword and Law upon all that will not hold you up and Cry Peace to you O Hypocrites How have you deceived the poor People with your long wrestings of Scriptures But now that the Spirit of Truth is come it is leading us into all Truth without your help Praised be the Lord for ever And so for Christ his Expounding out of Moses and the Prophets and opening the Understanding of the Disciples to know the Scripture mentioned Luke 24. And Paul's Expounding and Testifying of the Kingdom of God and Perswading the Jews concerning Jesus both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Prophets mentioned Acts 28. is nothing to you who now-a-days instead of Testifying to the Kingdom of God and opening the Understanding to know Scriptures and the Light of the World which they witnessed unto do Testifie of this World Pleading for your Carnal Ordinances Set Places Set Times Bowing one to another and the like as is manifest in these Queries and so instead of opening shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against Men and so with those of old will neither enter into the Kingdom of God your selves nor suffer others but are under the Wo as you and the People may Read all along in Mat. 23. And for Singing of Psalms it doth not say that the Saints Sung the very words of David and no other and that in Rhime and Meeter in Worldly Tunes after Mens Inventions or with Organs or so but they Sing as the Spirit gave them utterance in plain words as thou may'st Read in Acts. 4. 24. c. Which thou bringest for Singing if that may be called Singing this was a Song by the Persecuted not the Persecutors which in the Persecuted Church of God at this day is often Sung worthy Consideration but a shame for all Persecuting Priests and Professers to take these words into their Mouths And the same Apostle in that place 1 Cor. 14. 26. that saith every one hath a Psalm saith I will Sing with the Spirit and with Vnderstanding so then a Psalm was a Gift of the Spirit spoken forth from the Understanding to the Edifying of the Hearer and they were to be silent when that Gift was Exercised as well as others but your Confused Noises and Temple-songs is but as Howling in God's Ears and his Childrens Ears in this
Eatings and Drinkings are Dead whil'st you Live And so of you that would keep People always in the Figures and Signs saying The coming of Christ spoken of 1 Cor. 11. 26. is never to be witnessed here I demand Whether that Cup which the Apostle said The Cup of Blessing which we Bless is it not the Communion of the Blood of Christ And the Bread which we Break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ For we being many are one Body and one Bread for we are all Partakers of that one Bread 1 Cor. 10. 15 16 17. I say Whether was this outward Bread and Wine yea or nay Qu. 19. And in the next Query thou comest over with these things again saying How can those Persons be Faithful to Christ Jesus and Obedient to his Gospel that refuse to Pray and Sing Psalms and Baptize with Water and receive the Lord's Supper I answer and say If any disobey God in any thing he commands them unto whether in any of these things or in any other they are not Faithful to Christ and his Gospel but those People thou here secretly shoots at are taught to obey God in all his Requirings and so to Glorifie him in their Bodies and Spirits which are his and so are we clear before the Lord from this thy Charge and also from that which follows for we Revile none much less those that in Conscience of their Duty to God observe them or any thing else And so the Reviler must lodge in thine own Bed who fears not to Revile and speak Evil of such in these days as in Conscience to their known Duty to God Worship him in Spirit and in Truth But you whose Fear towards God is taught by the Precepts of Men in vain is all your Worship for I Testifie for the Lord that whatever you do though it had the very Form of the Saints Practice of old which yours have not and not led thereinto by the Motion of the Eternal and Infallible Spirit of Life it is nothing but the Precepts of Men and Will-worship and no better than Offering Swines Blood or cutting off a Dogs Neck and for the endeavouring to keep up your Custom of Praying and Singing in mixt Congregations from the Example of Jews or them that follow Christ I say your Hypocritical Praying and Singing is good no where but Rejected of God and I see thy Pâ—ide all along that would be comparing your Congregations to those that followed Christ Nay nay for though there was One Devil yet there was Eleven Saints but when you are searched scarce One of many Twelves that hath any true Fear of God before their Eye is to be found amongst you Qu. 20 And whereas in thy last Query thou askest Whether those Persons that have Experienced the Operation of the Spirit of God in the Gospels Preaching and Administrations Convincing their Consciences Melting the Hearts Humbling the Spirits and Turning them from Darkness to Light and have afterwards Tasted much Sweetness and have felt Soul-Ravishing Comforts in the Enjoyment of God in Ordinances have not the Witness in themselves that God doth own these and Bless these Priviledges to them I answer Yea it is thus with all that in Truth have the Witness in themselves that God doth own these and Bless these Priviledges to them But those People that go under the Name Quakers have to the Praise of God's free Love the Witness in themselves of such Fruits as these amongst them from the Virtue of the Everlasting Gospel and its Administration And therefore we can Witness that John Reynolds and all such as Condemn this Ministry and Work of God amongst us as Heresie or so are Deceivers and that they are Strangers to Spiritual Communion with God whatever in words they may Boast who cannot meet with and enjoy God where we to his Immortal Praise be it in Truth spoken do experience that loving Kindness and Goodness which is better than Life it self And therefore how long may this John Reynolds or any other Seducer or painted Sepulchre talk before ever they can perswade these whom the Lord hath so loved not to believe their own Spiritual Senses and Experiencies But to conclude Whereas this John Reynolds in his high swelling Words of his last Query and the 12 th boasts much of his own and his Fellows Experiencies of Spiritual things I refer the Reader to the rest of his Queries and especially the 3 5 8 10 11 14 15 16 and to the answers to them all and to weigh all in the Ballance of Just Judgment and it will appear to him beyond words what may be Judged of them and us Thomas Taylor 1662 1662 1662. 1670