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A17326 An exposition of the Lords Prayer made in diuers lectures, and now drawne into questions and answers for the greater benefite of the simpler sort: whereunto is prefixed a briefe treatise of prayer for all men. Published at the request of diuers godly and well disposed: by W. B. minister of the Word at Reading in Barkshire. Burton, William, d. 1616. 1594 (1594) STC 4174; ESTC S116670 83,241 268

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are the Lords but the Lord himselfe doth it therefore followe that wee must pray that all may bee saued What for those whom God will not haue saued God forbid Our Sauiour Christ that was as wise and as charitable as they that hold this poynt hath taught vs to pray otherwise When you pray say Thy will be done that is Lord saue those whom thou wilt saue and not whom thou wilt not saue So that our prayers wee see must bee grounded vpon Gods will and not vpon our owne willes If then he will not saue all we must not pray against his will that he would saue al For then in stead of saying thy will be done wee should pray thus or to this effect Lord wee knowe that thou hast decreed and appoynted from euerlasting whom to glorifie in thy kingdome and whom to cast downe to hell for euer and we know that thy counsell shal stand for so sayth thy word but yet for all that wee haue a minde and desire to haue all men saued therefore alter thy decree and change thy purpose that is bee contrarie to thy selfe and so not thy will but ours be done From such kind of praying or rather blasphemous and presumptuous prating the Lord deliuer vs giue vs grace to pray as his word doth teach vs to pray that is in our prayers to referre our willes to Gods will and not to presume to craue that which God will neuer graunt But for as much as God hath his number in al parts of the world who are knowne to himselfe and Christian charitie which is a most liuely fruite of faith bindeth vs to pray for the whole Church of Christ which is Catholike that is scattered vpon the face of the whole earth which Church likewise is sometime visible sometime inuisible vnto men and sometime more visible and sometime lesse visible as in the dayes of Elias when the Lord had 7000. in Israel more then Elias sawe as sharpe sighted as he was and because all are not called at one houre but some to day some to morrowe some at one time and some at another therefore it is lawfull for vs to pray for thē thus That in Spayne Portingale Rome Turkie Iewrie and in al other places of the world yea and of those which doe now persecute Gods Church as sometime Paul did so many of them as doe belong to Gods eternall election it would please his Maiestie to conuert by the preaching of his word and the effectuall working of his holy spirite in their hearts or by such meanes as shall seeme good to his diuine Maiestie in his best appoynted time And as for the rest which doe not belong to his eternall election and couenant of grace we are to pray that his will may bee done vpon them and he may bee glorified in his iudgements vpon thē as he was glorified in the ouerthrow of Pharao and his host But the matter must not bee so lightly carried away for they that hold the contrarie seeme to haue scripture to beare them out which if they did vnderstand and apply so well as they can auouch it al should bee well The common alleadged place is out of 1. Tim. 2. 4. God wil that al men shall be saued and come to the knowledge of the trueth Now for an answere this I say that that place must of necessitie bee vnderstood either of the reuealed will of God or of his secret will If this place bee vnderstood of Gods reuealed will set downe in his word then the sense is this that God doth call all men by the preaching of his word to the knowledge of his trueth and to eternall life if they beleeue in Christ and this saluation is offered to all men though al men beleeue not For by this meanes the reprobate and vnbeleeuers are shewed what they shuld doe and so are left without excuse in the day of iudgement But God doth not giue them grace to repent and beleeue as hee doth to the elect because he hath otherwise decreed of them and if he doth not who shall compell him so to doe or who shal complaine iustly against his diuine Maiestie seeing as the Lord is bound to no man If that place be vnderstood of the secret will of GOD then the sense is three-fold First God will that all men shall be saued that is God in his eternall counsell according to his good pleasure hath decreed of all sorts and degrees of men to saue some of Iewes and Gentiles some of Kings and Princes some of subiects and commons some of learned and vnlearned some of rich and poore some of Captaines and soldiers some of Marchants Marriners some of Craftsmen and Husbandmen some and of all sorts of all estates and of all degrees and conditions of men some shalbe saued which agreeth with the saying of S. Iohn in the Reuelation who sayth That he sawe a great multitude of all nations and kindreds and languages follow the lambe that is Iesus Christ and stood before the throne and praised him that sate vpon the throne And the cause of the Apostles writing thus to Timothie was for that the Church of God liued thē vnder Nero a wicked Prince and cruell tyrant and an enemie to the Gospell of Christ in so much as some doubted whether he were to be prayed for or no therfore the Apostle puts them out of doubt for that matter and sheweth that prayers must be made for Kings and Princes and all men and therefore for their Prince though he were a wicked enemie for that of all men and all sorts of men God hath his number and what could they tel whether he were one of that number or no therfore they were to pray for him There is a seconde sense or meaning of those words deliuered by the learned and that is this God will that all men shall be saued c. That is so many as are saued are saued by the will of GOD for as much as none are saued against his will And that this may likewise bee the Apostles meaning it may appeare by another place of scripture like vnto that It is in Iohn 1. 9. where the Euangelist speaking of the Sonne of God he sayth thus He was the true light that lighteneth euery man that commeth into the worlde meaning indeede that whosoeuer is lightened is enlightened by the Sonne of God not that euery one particularly that commeth into the world is lightened none excepted for there bee some in the world which remaine in darknes and the Gospell is hidden from them such as the god of this world hath blinded that is the diuel hath blinded their eyes that the light should not shine vnto them as the Apostle sheweth And this is no otherwise spoken then wee vse in our common manner of speaking For if there bee but one man in a towne that reacheth Grammar wee say such a man teacheth all the towne Grammar meaning that all
then haue wee true faith and loue if wee haue true faith and loue then are we knit to Christ and one to another if we bee so then are wee of the true Church of Christ. Q. What is wee were not of the Church A. They that are not of the Church can not make this prayer Q. Why then belike of necessitie we ought to haue vnitie with the true Church in faith and doctrine and substance of religion A. It is very true for as wee haue our father adopting vs and making vs his children so here we professe that we hold our faith with all the members of Gods Church and holde one and the selfe same true religion and worship of God with them yea and all that can say this prayer truely are ioyned in vnitie of faith and religion in respect of the substance Q. What think you then of Schismatiques which doe separate themselues from the publique exercises of the Church A. It followeth therfore that no Schismatiques can truely say Our Father because in their hellish pride they coumpt the children of GOD none of their brethren Q. What els doth this word our teach A. Secondly it teacheth vs that wee must haue Christian loue vnto all men without the dishonor of God and breach of a good conscience See 1. Ioh. 5. 1. Q. What els doth it teach vs A. Thirdly it putteth vs in minde of that sympathie and fellow-feeling of our brethrens miseries which may moue vs to helpe them euen when we can haue fit occasion for we are all as members of one and the same bodie by faith therefore if one bee hurt all must helpe if one bee grieued all must bee grieued and if one reioyce all must reioyce See the places quoted Q. May we not say at any time My father but alwayes Our father A. Yes as in sicknesse pouertie c. so that wee haue a care of others aswell as of our selues for in prayer al pride and selfe-loue must be quite shut out Q. What els may wée gather from this word Our A. Fourthly it banisheth all pride and disdaine of our brethren and breedeth all humilitie and lowlines yea and it teacheth vs to haue a base conceit of our selues and a reuerend opinion of others yea euen of the simplest if they feare God and haue the spirit of adoption which God knoweth for then are they the sonnes and daughters of the same father that wee haue or professe to haue Q. What must superiours and men of authoritie which haue great places callings so far humble themselues vnto simple poore Christians as you say A. Yea that they must if they will call God their father and to deale plainly no superiour can vse this prayer aright before they so abase themselues that they take the most simple and meanest Christians that are for their brethren and so likewise vse them Q. Some will not be called brethren nor call others by that name for they hold this name of brother or sister especially in Christ to be a most odious name they vse it if they do vse it at al in scorne and reproch accompting them Puritanes c. Which vse such kinde of spéeches what say you of them A. Surely I thinke that they doe much forget thēselues for howsoeuer they will seeme to deny defie y ● name of brother sister out of prayer ●et in prayer if they pray as they ough● they doe confesse it except they doe mocke and dissemble with God which is no small sinne for God cannot be our father except the rest of his children and true Christians be our brethren Q. If superiours must so abase themselues as to take the simplest and meanest for their brethren and so their equals then you shall agrée with the Anabaptists which would haue no distinction nor difference to bee allowed betwéene the Prince and subiect the Magistrate and people betwéene one and another but all must be as one A. No sir that is not my meaning farre be it from me for there must bee degrees of persons of callings and of estates and there must be a distinction between Magistrates and inferiours for the auoyding of disorder and confusion and maintenance of peace which is Gods ordinance or els all should be head or all should be foote c. which were as monsterous and absurd in the bodie politicall as it would be in a bodie naturall Q. If that bee not your meaning then what is your meaning A. This I meane and affirme that all those which haue any prerogatiue aboue others should consider that though they bee aboue others in things of this world yet others may be aboue them in heauenly things and equall with them in respect of their heauenly father who hath called vs all with a heauenly calling to a heauenly inheritance Q. How may this poynt bee confirmed A. By the testimonie of holy scripture When S. Paul would perswade masters to deale well by thier seruants he vseth this as a reason that they haue a master in heauen with whom is no respect of persons And this is the Apostles meaning when he sayth There is neither Iewe nor Grecian there is neither bond nor free there is neither male nor female for you are all one in Christ Iesus In the 26. verse hee sheweth the reason why and how For ●e are all the sonnes of God by faith in Christ Iesus And for this cause it is sayd The King shall haue the booke of the law by him that he exalt not himself aboue his brethrē For want of the true knowledge of this poynt the Corinthiās despised the poore and would not receiue the Lords Supper with them and therefore the Apostle reproueth them and willeth them to tarrie one for another Q. How can his equalitie and superioritie stand together and be acknowledged on both sides at one time and in one place and in one action busines A. Very well as they do in the publike assemblies and exercises of the Church where 1. That a distinction difference of persons degrees may appeare for auoiding of confusiō c. euery man hath his place appointed according to his worthines in respect of office or calling or learning or degree or birth or wealth c. then 2. That it may likewise appeare that we are all brethren hauing one God whom we call Our father in the merites of Christ and because all by one faith beleeue one Sauiour and look all by him for one kingdome therefore there is also in token thereof a communitie equalitie of diuers things without any respect of persons Q. How doe you meane that A. Not as the Anabaptistes which would haue all things common but my meaning is this There is not one place for the poore another for the rich one Minister for the greater learned and another for the lesse learned one Sabboth for superiours another for