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spirit_n from_o the_o son_n but_o the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o spirit_n with_o the_o son_n 2._o that_o those_o which_o speak_v of_o a_o procession_n do_v not_o mean_v it_o of_o a_o eternal_a procession_n but_o a_o temporal_a which_o be_v the_o same_o with_o the_o spirit_n mission_n 1._o that_o they_o do_v not_o assert_v the_o eternal_a procession_n of_o the_o spirit_n from_o the_o son_n but_o the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o spirit_n with_o the_o son_n and_o therefore_o no_o more_o can_v be_v infer_v from_o they_o but_o only_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o the_o greek_n constant_o acknowledge_v this_o they_o make_v probable_a by_o two_o thing_n 1._o that_o when_o the_o father_n dispute_v not_o with_o those_o who_o deny_v the_o consubstantiality_n of_o son_n and_o spirit_n they_o use_v not_o the_o particle_n ex_fw-la but_o only_o say_v that_o the_o spirit_n be_v the_o
spirit_n of_o the_o son_n so_o cyril_n express_o when_o theodoret_n have_v deny_v the_o procession_n from_o the_o son_n he_o give_v no_o other_o answer_n but_o this_o 229._o the_o holy_a spirit_n do_v true_o proceed_v from_o god_n and_o the_o father_n according_a to_o our_o saviour_n word_n but_o be_v not_o of_o another_o nature_n from_o the_o son_n we_o see_v he_o content_v himself_o with_o the_o acknowledgement_n that_o the_o spirit_n be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o the_o son_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n be_v another_o testimony_n of_o his_o produce_v by_o the_o patriarch_n hieremias_n speak_v of_o the_o spirit_n whereby_o the_o apostle_n speak_v he_o say_v which_o proceed_v in_o a_o ineffable_a manner_n from_o the_o father_n but_o be_v not_o different_a from_o the_o son_n in_o regard_n of_o his_o essence_n 202._o several_a other_o testimony_n be_v there_o produce_v by_o he_o and_o elsewhere_o by_o other_o which_o need_v not_o be_v here_o recite_v 2._o that_o when_o they_o 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for_o the_o eternal_a procession_n of_o the_o spirit_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o only_o some_o time_n attribute_v to_o the_o bestow_v the_o forementioned_a gift_n but_o likewise_o to_o the_o eternal_a generation_n of_o the_o son_n and_o therefore_o whenever_o they_o meet_v with_o the_o word_n procession_n attribute_v to_o the_o spirit_n with_o a_o respect_n to_o the_o son_n they_o must_v not_o present_o infer_v the_o eternal_a procession_n but_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d there_o signify_v no_o more_o than_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._n e._n that_o the_o spirit_n do_v come_v through_o be_v send_v and_o give_v by_o the_o son_n which_o the_o father_n often_o mention_v the_o better_a thereby_o to_o assert_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o identity_n of_o nature_n and_o essence_n which_o be_v in_o the_o spirit_n with_o the_o father_n and_o son_n this_o he_o do_v therein_o very_o large_o explain_v
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