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A40487 The friendly conference: or, An hue and cry after the Popes Holiness Discovering the corrupt doctrines of the church, and abominable practises of the court and clergy of Rome, to raise themselves to their present pomp and grandeur. With the several prodigious births of the whore of Babilon: and how she has prefer'd all her children. In a familiar dialogue between Theophilius a Protestant, and Juliano lately turn'd Papist. 1673 (1673) Wing F2217; ESTC R215515 4,709 10

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THE Friendly Conference OR AN HUE and CRY After the POPES HOLINESS Discovering the corrupt Doctrines of the CHURCH and abominable Practises of the COURT and CLERGY of ROME To raise themselves to their present Pomp and Grandeur With the several Prodigious Births of the Whore of Babilon And how she has prefer'd all her Children In a familiar Dialogue between Theophilus a Protestant and Juliano lately turn'd Papist Printed for M. B. in the Year 1673. A HUE AND CRY After the Popes Holiness c. Juliano YOur Servant Neighbour Theophilus Theophilus I am heartily glad to see you Juliano the rather for that I was lately informed you were dead Juliano How dead have people talkt me into a Ghost I 'le e'en run to the Prerogative and enter a Caveat my self least some Kn●ve or other should take Administration of my Estate Dead I protest I know no business I shall have in the other World this fifty years There 's nothing in Nature I hate so much as dying this cold weather for truly I conceive a Tomb though made of Marble and placed in the Chancel but a damp untoward Lodging besides it yields no good company for the men lose their Sences before they come thither and as soon as the women have been there a while they all grow flat-nos'd Theoph. I perceive you mind dying but little but if you fear catching cold in your Grave you were best charge your Executor to bury you Legally in Flannel however I doubt you may have more reason to aprehend burning torments than Cold for I hear you are dead Spiritually I mean Twice dead and pluckt up by the roots as the Apostle Phrases it That you have forfeited your Discretion cast your Reason over-board and abandon'd your Religion Juliano I hate dissembling and must own my self a Roman-Catholick Theoph. Can you hate Dissemulation and yet own at the same time a Religion that is made up of nothing but Frauds Cheats and Delusions That very Title Roman Catholique is a Falicy or at best an Absurdity in Terminis for since the English and proper signification of the Word Catholique is no more then general or universal to joyn Rome to it is an insignificant Bull and as pure non-sence as to say a particular Universal or a general Individual Juliano I shall not quarrel with you about words I am a member of the Church of Rome that Mother Church where true Religion has flourisht ever since it was first planted there by the Apostles in an uninterupted Succession that Church to which our Saviour has given Priviledge to be the infallible Judge of all Controuersies and promised the gates of Hell shall never prevail against it Theoph. Alas Sir you boast of the Casket when the Jewels are gone The Church of Rome sailing under the merry gale of Earthly pomp and prosperity has long since discharged her self of that rich Laden she was fraught with when she Traded for Souls under the Fathers of the Primitive Ages there having since been such a succession of Imperious greatness in that Chair that Rome is more like the proud triumphant Chappel of Antichrist than the poor militant Church of God Juliano The Primary ever the Apostles and Spirit of infabilility was delivered to Peter and thence conveyed down in his successors Bishops of Rome so that there could be no such Apostacy as you pretend Theoph. These parivolous pretences are easily confuted but not to enter into a tedious Discourse I shall only ask you this serious Question since you can cast your eyes upon no story where the villary of Popes is not largely discovered how can you conceit that the pure Spirit of God should endow with infalibility of judgement Monsters so visibly debauch'd or how can you believe the Holy Ghost which under the Law forbad all impurity though in outward Ceremony should now under the brighter light of the Gospel suffer himself to be poured out of one unclean vessel into another beginning again with a Conjurer where he left off with a Sodomite Juliano I cannot believe any Popes were ever guilty of such Crimes or if they were these are still personal Infirmities Theoph. But most gross ones in those that blasphemously stile themselves Their Holinesses and impudently boast to the world that they cannot err nor can deny the truth of their impieties as to matter of fact without proclaiming your own ignorance in History Juliano Truly Sir you know I am but a Lay-man and do not pretend too much Reading Theoph. The fitter to imbrace a Religion whose chiefest support is ignorance But for your information I care not if I draw a short Historical Scheme of your Romish Church that you may see by what means and degrees it first intruded to that Grandeur with the gawdy Lustre whereof your eyes have been so far dazled as to chuse a Cloud for Juno change a Diamond for a Bristol-stone and forsake the true Spouse of Christ to wantonize in the embraces of a painted Harlot Juliano I am satisfied with my choice yet care not if I give you the hearing since you will needs take upon you as a Doctor Theoph. Thus then after the piety of some primitive Bishops of Rome augmented by the flame of that Imperial City had purchased them reputation so that they got first to be Arch-Bishops then Patriarchs and at last to the Papal Title A name 't is thought derived Quasie pater Patriarcharum which for Brevity was written Papa They soon began to change their piety for promotion and takeing the advantage of new-kindled zeal whereby they led Princes and people at pleasure they had the opportunity to carve themselves almost what power or Riches they list But as policy can seldome tread long in that narrow path that guides to Heaven so at last it led them into a World of Impieties by encroaching under pretence of Religion upon higher Jurisdiction and power than could belong to subjects which they colour'd as the Donations of Princes who had indeed no better Titles to their Crowns than Usurpation on the weaknesse of the former possessors And were therefore glad of the Popes protection because people out of Ignorance esteemed those most just that were most favour'd by the Clergy Thus a bargain was often driven for mutual assistance between Usurpers and the Pope who in his approbations diligently laid up their petitions and his grants to remain as presidents whereby to guide to posterity The Cloud of Ignorance then covering the World was a great help to keep their Juggling undiscovered that little learning extant was wholly included in Monastick Cells who took the opportunity to make most Books speak in their favour which being only a few Manuscripts might easily be effected Besides the Clergy were kept unmarried on purpose that being free from all other obligations they might solely intend the promoting their own Interest which they called the power and Immunities of the Church So that in time by the Indulgence of good and necessity