Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	believe_v	faith_n	see_v	5,205	5	3.8267	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A63382	A true and faithful accompt of the most material passages of a dispute betwixt some students of divinity (so called) of the University of Aberdene, and the people called Quakers held in Aberdene in Scotland, In Alexander Harper his close (or yard) before some hundreds of witnesses, upon the fourteenth day of the second month called April, 1675. There being opponents John Lesly. Alexander Shirreff. Paul Gellie. Mast. of Art. And defendants upon the Quakers part. Robert Barclay and George Keith. Præses for moderating the meeting, chosen by them, Andrew Thomsone advocate: and by the Quakers. Alexander Skein, sometime a magistrate of the City. Published for preventing misreports, by Alexander Skein, John Skein, Alexander Harper, Thomas Merser, and John Cowie. To which is added, Robert Barclay's offer to the preachers of Aberdene, renewed and re-inforced.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690.; Skene, Alexander.	1675 (1675)	Wing T2467BA; ESTC R222395	25,300	72

meet_v with_o the_o great_a and_o able_a of_o the_o preacher_n themselves_o so_o the_o truth_n lead_v we_o not_o to_o despise_v any_o as_o r._n b._n be_v go_v on_o he_o be_v interrupt_v alex._n shirreff_a if_o it_o be_v pertinent_a i_o can_v easy_o disprove_v much_o of_o what_o be_v say_v but_o to_o be_v short_a r._n b._n have_v give_v thesis_n provoke_v all_o the_o scholar_n of_o europe_n and_o great_a britain_n though_o r._n b._n pretend_v in_o his_o preface_n to_o be_v against_o school-divinity_n yet_o his_o thesis_n be_v full_a of_o it_o and_o there_o be_v many_o other_o contradiction_n which_o i_o will_v not_o now_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o preacher_n and_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n not_o find_v themselves_o concern_v we_o youngman_n and_o but_o student_n have_v offer_v to_o dispute_v in_o the_o article_n the_o quaker_n have_v be_v very_o unreasonable_a and_o particular_o g._n k._n do_v refuse_v any_o article_n shall_v be_v put_v in_o against_o rail_v because_o he_o say_v that_o may_v be_v rail_v in_o i_o which_o be_v not_o in_o he_o because_o he_o to_o wit_n g._n k._n be_v immediate_o lead_v by_o the_o spirit_n we_o have_v conclude_v that_o be_v young_a man_n in_o case_n the_o quaker_n shall_v have_v any_o advantage_n it_o will_v not_o be_v of_o great_a consequence_n and_o if_o we_o have_v advantage_n we_o hope_v it_o may_v be_v useful_a because_o these_o be_v the_o great_a prophet_n and_o preacher_n of_o the_o quaker_n g._n k._n i_o can_v take_v notice_n of_o many_o thing_n not_o true_a in_o that_o youngman_n long_a discourse_n as_o particular_o that_o r._n b._n have_v provoke_v all_o europe_n but_o i_o pass_v they_o by_o because_o i_o be_o here_o exceedingiy_a abuse_v and_o therefore_o desire_v to_o be_v hear_v for_o i_o declare_v in_o god_n ●●ar_n and_o in_o singleness_n of_o my_o heart_n i_o never_o say_v any_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v by_o that_o youngman_n allege_v upon_o i_o as_o i_o can_v appeal_v to_o the_o auditor_n who_o be_v there_o present_a but_o what_o i_o say_v be_v this_o i_o can_v bind_v myself_o not_o to_o rail_v because_o i_o be_o bind_v already_o that_o i_o shall_v not_o rail_v by_o the_o righteous_a law_n of_o god_n in_o my_o conscience_n for_o and_o may_v perhaps_o speak_v that_o as_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v true_a which_o you_o may_v call_v rail_v a._n shir._n i_o be_v chief_o concern_v and_o have_v most_o occasion_v this_o debate_n be_o employ_v by_o the_o rest_n to_o speak_v first_o and_o therefore_o i_o will_v impugn_v the_o second_o thesis_fw-la which_o r._n b._n read_v and_o be_v as_o follow_v see_v no_o man_n know_v the_o father_n but_o the_o son_n and_o he_o to_o who_o the_o son_n reveal_v he_o mat._n 11.27_o and_o see_v the_o revelation_n of_o the_o son_n be_v in_o and_o by_o the_o spirit_n therefore_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o spirit_n be_v that_o alone_a by_o which_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o god_n have_v be_v be_v and_o ca●_n be_v only_o reveal_v who_o as_o by_o the_o move_n of_o his_o own_o spirit_n convert_v the_o chaos_n of_o this_o world_n into_o that_o wonderful_a order_n wherein_o it_o be_v in_o the_o beginning_n and_o create_v man_n a_o live_a soul_n to_o rule_v and_o govern_v it_o so_o by_o the_o revelation_n of_o the_o same_o spirit_n he_o have_v make_v manifest_a himself_o all_o along_o unto_o the_o son_n of_o man_n both_o patriarch_n prophet_n and_o apostle_n which_o revelation_n of_o god_n by_o the_o spirit_n whether_o by_o outward_a voice_n and_o appearance_n dream_n or_o inward_a objective_n manifestation_n in_o the_o heart_n be_v of_o old_a the_o formal_a object_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o remain_v yet_o so_o to_o be_v since_o the_o object_n of_o the_o saint_n faith_n be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o age_n though_o set_v forth_o under_o divers_a administration_n moreover_o these_o divine_a inward_a revelation_n which_o we_o make_v absolute_o necessary_a for_o the_o build_n up_o true_a faith_n neither_o do_v nor_o can_v ever_o contradict_v the_o outward_a testimony_n of_o the_o scripture_n or_o right_a and_o seund_a reason_n yet_o from_o hence_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o the_o divine_a revelation_n be_v to_o be_v subject_v to_o the_o examination_n either_o of_o the_o outward_a testimony_n of_o the_o scripture_n or_o of_o the_o natural_a reason_n of_o man_n as_o to_o a_o ●ore_o noble_a or_o certain_a rule_n and_o touchstone_n for_o this_o divine_a revelation_n and_o inward_a illumination_n be_v that_o which_o be_v evident_a and_o clear_a of_o itself_o force_v by_o its_o own_o evidence_n and_o clearness_n the_o well_o dispose_v understanding_n to_o assent_v irresistable_o move_v the_o same_o thereunto_o even_o as_o the_o common_a principle_n of_o natural_a truth_n move_v and_o incline_v the_o mind_n to_o a_o natural_a assent_n r._n b._n people_n this_o be_v that_o which_o we_o affirm_v and_o which_o these_o youngman_n be_v about_o to_o dispute_v against_o as_o false_a notwithstanding_o that_o a._n shir._n have_v thus_o offer_v himself_o first_o to_o dispute_v yet_o i._n l._n intrude_a himself_n put_v he_o to_o silence_n begin_v as_o follow_v i._o l._n that_o which_o be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v as_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n but_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v as_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n therefore_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n r._n b._n have_v repeat_v the_o argument_n i_o deny_v the_o minor_a or_o second_o proposition_n i._o l._n i_o prove_v it_o that_o which_o have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n to_o evidence_n itself_o to_o be_v a_o rule_n be_v not_o to_o be_v a_o rule_n but_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o quaker_n have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n whereby_o to_o evidence_n itself_o to_o be_v a_o rule_n therefore_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o quaker_n be_v not_o to_o be_v our_o rule_n r._n b._n have_v repeat_v the_o argument_n i_o distinguish_v that_o second_o proposition_n if_o thou_o mean_v any_o spirit_n in_o the_o quaker_n which_o they_o peculiar_o assume_v to_o themselves_o as_o quaker_n or_o say_v they_o have_v as_o a_o part_n of_o themselves_o or_o of_o man_n nature_n we_o concede_fw-la that_o such_o have_v no_o evidence_n neither_o do_v we_o say_v that_o any_o such_o spirit_n be_v to_o be_v our_o rule_n but_o if_o thou_o mean_v that_o universal_a spirit_n of_o god_n a_o manifestation_n whereof_o be_v give_v to_o every_o one_o to_o profit_v withal_o we_o affirm_v it_o have_v a_o sufficient_a evidence_n in_o we_o and_o in_o all_o men._n i._o l._n i_o urge_v that_o distinction_n if_o the_o spirit_n have_v a_o sufficient_a evidence_n either_o this_o evidence_n be_v from_o your_o own_o declaration_n or_o some_o other_o but_o it_o be_v neither_o from_o your_o own_o declaration_n nor_o from_o some_o other_o therefore_o it_o have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n r._n b._n it_o be_v from_o both_o j._n l._n what_o be_v it_o then_o r._n b._n that_o it_o teach_v we_o to_o deny_v ungodliness_n and_o worldly_a lust_n and_o to_o live_v sober_o righteous_o and_o godly_a in_o this_o present_a world_n this_o be_v a_o evidence_n to_o all_o men._n j._n l._n i_o prove_v that_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n thus_o that_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n which_o heretic_n may_v pretend_v unto_o as_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o their_o heresy_n but_o heretic_n may_v pretend_v this_o as_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o their_o heresy_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n r._n b._n i_o answer_v this_o first_o by_o a_o retortion_n this_o be_v the_o same_o argument_n upon_o the_o matter_n which_o the_o jesuit_n dempster_n use_v against_o your_o master_n viz._n john_n menzies_n for_o the_o jesuit_n press_v he_o to_o assign_v a_o ground_n for_o the_o protestant_a religion_n which_o heretic_n can_v not_o pretend_v unto_o j._n m._n name_v the_o scripture_n and_o the_o jesuit_n further_o urge_v that_o heretic_n can_v and_o do_v pretend_v unto_o the_o scripture_n now_o what_o evidence_n can_v you_o give_v from_o the_o scripture_n which_o we_o can_v give_v yea_o and_o great_a from_o the_o spirit_n that_o heretic_n can_v just_o lay_v claim_n to_o stud._n with_o one_o voice_n we_o will_v not_o have_v retortion_n r._n b._n praeses_fw-la read_v the_o article_n which_o contain_v a_o particular_a provision_n for_o retortion_n as_o be_v lawful_a if_o not_o insist_v too_o much_o on_o so_o the_o five_o article_n abovementioned_a be_v read_v g._n k._n i_o offer_v to_o answer_v direct_o to_o his_o argument_n without_o retortion_n though_o i_o pass_v not_o from_o the_o retortion_n for_o it_o stand_v over_o your_o head_n which_o you_o will_v never_o get_v over_o then_o i_o say_v we_o have_v a_o twofold_a evidence_n which_o no_o heretic_n can_v just_o

anabaptist_n and_o slight_v they_o as_o a_o sort_n of_o heretic_n yet_o one_o with_o they_o in_o the_o ground_n and_o in_o this_o particular_a work_n and_o service_n also_o to_o carry_v on_o the_o great_a design_n of_o antichrist_n these_o be_v some_o master_n of_o art_n student_n of_o divinity_n as_o they_o call_v themselves_o in_o the_o university_n of_o aberdene_n who_o open_o in_o the_o hear_n of_o divers_a hundred_o of_o people_n some_o whereof_o be_v sober_a and_o judicious_a do_v oppose_v the_o inward_a evidence_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o his_o people_n as_o not_o be_v a_o sufficient_a evidence_n unto_o they_o unless_o they_o can_v give_v a_o evidence_n of_o it_o unto_o other_o even_o their_o very_a adversary_n that_o they_o be_v inspire_v and_o so_o if_o we_o the_o people_n call_v quaker_n can_v not_o give_v a_o evidence_n of_o this_o unto_o these_o our_o opposer_n we_o be_v but_o deceiver_n after_o it_o have_v be_v show_v they_o that_o papist_n &_o jesuit_n use_v the_o same_o argument_n against_o all_o the_o protestant_n that_o indeed_o do_v more_o militat_fw-la against_o they_o out_o of_o the_o papist_n quiver_n than_o out_o of_o these_o our_o adversary_n quiver_n against_o we_o i_o produce_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o best_a and_o most_o convince_a outward_a evidence_n that_o can_v be_v give_v as_o a_o witness_n to_o the_o doctrine_n and_o principle_n of_o immediate_a revelation_n and_o inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n own_a by_o we_o as_o be_v in_o all_o man_n in_o some_o measure_n and_o consequent_o in_o we_o this_o be_v i_o say_v not_o the_o the_o best_a and_o most_o principal_a evidence_n nor_o the_o great_a that_o we_o have_v unto_o ourselves_o or_o unto_o one_o another_o who_o be_v gather_v into_o the_o same_o faith_n spirit_n and_o power_n for_o that_o be_v the_o immediate_a evidence_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o our_o heart_n which_o witness_v both_o to_o ourselves_o and_o to_o one_o another_o that_o we_o be_v the_o child_n of_o god_n but_o it_o be_v i_o mean_v the_o scripture_n the_o great_a outward_a and_o visible_a evidence_n that_o can_v be_v give_v unto_o our_o adversary_n who_o in_o word_n own_o the_o scripture_n as_o their_o only_a rule_n and_o chief_a evidence_n and_o in_o do_v so_o i_o follow_v the_o example_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n who_o while_o he_o reason_v against_o the_o jew_n who_o profess_v to_o own_o the_o scripture_n but_o deny_v he_o he_o bring_v a_o testimony_n for_o himself_o out_o of_o the_o scripture_n which_o they_o in_o word_n own_v as_o their_o rule_n search_v say_v he_o or_o you_o search_v the_o scripture_n for_o in_o they_o you_o think_v you_o have_v eternal_a life_n and_o these_o be_v they_o which_o testify_v of_o i_o now_o though_o christ_n his_o own_o immediate_a testimony_n shall_v have_v be_v receive_v as_o great_a than_o any_o of_o his_o servant_n such_o as_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n be_v yet_o he_o use_v this_o as_o a_o argument_n against_o they_o as_o bring_v they_o to_o their_o own_o rule_n and_o say_v he_o have_v you_o believe_v moses_n you_o will_v have_v believe_v i_o for_o moses_n write_v of_o i_o and_o he_o lay_v again_o i_o have_v a_o great_a testomony_n than_o that_o of_o john_n and_o yet_o john_n be_v the_o great_a of_o all_o the_o prophet_n so_o in_o like_a manner_n we_o say_v we_o have_v a_o great_a testimony_n to_o christ_n jesus_n by_o his_o spirit_n and_o power_n reveal_v in_o we_o than_o the_o testimony_n of_o moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n even_o than_o john_n who_o be_v the_o great_a but_o when_o we_o produce_v the_o testimony_n of_o moses_n &_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n as_o a_o evidence_n to_o the_o truth_n of_o what_o we_o affirm_v i_o say_v it_o shall_v be_v receive_v by_o our_o adversary_n who_o own_o the_o scripture_n as_o their_o chief_a and_o only_a rule_n for_o either_o they_o shall_v receive_v it_o or_o not_o receive_v it_o if_o they_o shall_v receive_v it_o then_o they_o be_v faulty_a who_o in_o the_o late_a dispute_n at_o aberdene_n do_v refuse_v to_o receive_v the_o evidence_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o from_o we_o only_o because_o we_o say_v we_o have_v a_o great_a to_o wit_n that_o of_o the_o spirit_n within_o we_o although_o we_o own_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o great_a visible_a and_o outward_a evidence_n that_o we_o can_v give_v to_o our_o adversary_n if_o they_o shall_v not_o receive_v the_o scripture_n evidence_n and_o testimony_n as_o from_o we_o because_o we_o say_v we_o have_v a_o great_a to_o wit_n that_o of_o christ_n himself_o immediate_o in_o we_o by_o his_o spirit_n than_o they_o must_v needs_o also_o say_v for_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o the_o jew_n ought_v not_o to_o receive_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o a_o evidence_n for_o christ_n because_o he_o say_v he_o have_v a_o great_a and_o certain_o he_o have_v a_o great_a though_o they_o will_v not_o receive_v it_o nor_o can_v not_o as_o they_o stand_v in_o their_o prejudice_n and_o malice_n wherewith_o they_o be_v fill_v against_o he_o who_o do_v not_o receive_v he_o now_o this_o i_o say_v with_o freedom_n and_o boldness_n of_o spirit_n to_o all_o those_o whether_o papist_n anabaptist_n prelatical_a or_o presbyterian_a professor_n who_o with_o one_o mouth_n require_v of_o we_o a_o evidence_n that_o we_o be_v inspire_v or_o have_v a_o measure_n of_o the_o inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o christ_n in_o we_o i_o offer_v unto_o all_o of_o you_o the_o scripture_n for_o a_o evidence_n of_o this_o truth_n viz._n that_o the_o quaker_n so_o call_v have_v a_o measure_n of_o the_o inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o christ_n in_o they_o for_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n testimony_n christ_n the_o true_a light_n enlighten_v every_o man_n that_o come_v into_o the_o world_n and_o his_o illumination_n be_v his_o inspiration_n i_o profess_v sincere_o in_o god_n fear_n that_o the_o scripture_n testimony_n be_v to_o i_o as_o full_a and_o plain_a and_o convince_a to_o prove_v this_o truth_n viz._n that_o a_o illumination_n manifestation_n and_o inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n be_v give_v to_o every_o man_n be_v in_o every_o man_n as_o to_o prove_v this_o truth_n that_o christ_n who_o according_a to_o the_o flesh_n be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v the_o promise_a messiah_n now_o if_o we_o can_v prove_v from_o scripture_n that_o all_o man_n have_v in_o they_o a_o measure_n of_o this_o divine_a illumination_n and_o inspiration_n by_o the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n we_o have_v gain_v our_o point_n which_o be_v that_o we_o have_v also_o a_o measure_n of_o the_o same_o in_o we_o for_o all_z man_n do_v comprehend_v we_o call_v quaker_n as_o well_o as_o other_o man_n i_o see_v not_o what_o our_o adversary_n can_v with_o any_o colour_n object_n against_o this_o evidence_n from_o scripture_n but_o this_o that_o they_o will_v deny_v that_o the_o scripture_n bear_v testimony_n to_o this_o universal_a illumination_n or_o inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o man_n but_o this_o bring_v the_o matter_n of_o the_o debate_n from_o be_v personal_a to_o be_v doctrinal_a &_o so_o put_v we_o upon_o equal_a term_n at_o least_o with_o all_o our_o adversary_n especial_o prelatical_a anabaptistist_n and_o presbyterian_a &_o independent_a opposer_n whatsoever_o who_o say_v the_o scripture_n be_v their_o chief_a and_o only_a rule_n and_o though_o our_o adversary_n say_v the_o scripture_n do_v not_o testify_v to_o that_o universal_a inspiration_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n in_o man_n that_o move_v we_o not_o more_o then_o when_o the_o jew_n deny_v that_o the_o scripture_n bear_v testimony_n to_o he_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n to_o be_v the_o christ_n we_o be_v able_a by_o the_o help_n of_o god_n to_o prove_v from_o scripture_n the_o truth_n of_o this_o doctrine_n of_o divine_a illumination_n and_o inspiration_n in_o all_o man_n and_o consequent_o in_o the_o quaker_n as_o much_o as_o they_o or_o any_o profess_v christianity_n upon_o earth_n can_v prove_v any_o principle_n or_o doctrine_n of_o their_o faith_n second_o we_o be_v able_a and_o do_v offer_v by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n against_o all_o our_o opposer_n whatsoever_o to_o prove_v from_o the_o scripture_n testimony_n that_o this_o universal_a inspiration_n and_o illumination_n of_o christ_n by_o his_o spirit_n in_o man_n be_v a_o sufficient_a evidence_n of_o truth_n and_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o life_n in_o all_o man_n and_o consequent_o in_o we_o call_v quaker_n three_o that_o this_o divine_a inspiration_n and_o illumination_n where_o it_o be_v not_o wilful_o resist_v and_o reject_v but_o regard_v and_o attend_v be_v a_o great_a evidence_n than_o the_o scripture_n be_v and_o witness_v by_o the_o scripture_n four_o and_o yet_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o great_a visible_a and_o outward_a evidence_n that_o either_o we_o or_o they_o can_v give_v of_o their_o rule_n i_o shall_v conclude_v with_o a_o reasonable_a demand_n to_o these_o young_a man_n master_n of_o art_n their_o master_n and_o teacher_n which_o be_v this_o whether_o they_o own_o these_o assertion_n affirmation_n and_o argument_n of_o their_o scholar_n in_o the_o late_a dispute_n as_o follow_v viz._n that_o whatever_o be_v of_o god_n be_v god_n that_o the_o scripture_n according_a to_o the_o quaker_n be_v fallacious_a and_o can_v beguile_v we_o that_o the_o baptism_n with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v cease_v and_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o discourse_n insert_v in_o this_o forego_n treatise_n if_o yea_o let_v they_o declare_v so_o much_o to_o the_o people_n who_o be_v great_o stumble_v at_o these_o their_o expression_n even_o divers_a of_o their_o own_o church_n if_o nay_o then_o let_v they_o public_o reprove_v and_o disow_v those_o word_n otherwise_o not_o only_o we_o but_o many_o other_o will_v say_v you_o have_v both_o teach_v and_o allow_v they_o so_o to_o affirm_v g._n k._n and_o it_o may_v here_o be_v observe_v that_o afterward_o j._n l._n speak_v reflect_o against_o the_o quaker_n say_v it_o be_v no_o rail_n to_o speak_v the_o truth_n which_o be_v all_o we_o plead_v for_o i_o appeal_v to_o all_o logician_n if_o when_o any_o thing_n be_v subsume_v in_o a_o syllogism_n which_o be_v neither_o in_o the_o first_o proposition_n nor_o in_o the_o conclusion_n whether_o that_o syllogism_n have_v not_o four_o term_n n●te_n divers_a of_o the_o auditor_n be_v displease_v with_o their_o go_n from_o the_o thesis_n see_v 1_o cor._n 7.6_o &_o compare_v with_o 40._o verse_n see_v act_n 16.7_o as_o in_o the_o three_o person_n in_o the_o imperative_a exeat_fw-la let_v he_o go_v be_v permissive_a note_v that_o while_o this_o young_a man_n be_v prosecute_a his_o argument_n j._n l._n do_v insolent_o intrude_v himself_o and_o interrupt_v he_o and_o they_o speak_v of_o they_o three_o at_o sometime_o

distinction_n concern_v general_a and_o particular_a influence_n be_v not_o sufficient_a that_o which_o may_v be_v a_o ground_n for_o a_o heretic_n to_o forbear_v prayer_n for_o a_o whole_a year_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a distinction_n but_o this_o may_v be_v a_o ground_n for_o a_o heretic_n to_o forbear_v prayer_n for_o a_o whole_a year_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a distinction_n g._n k._n have_v repeat_v the_o argument_n i_o deny_v the_o second_o proposition_n j._n l._n i_o prove_v it_o for_o a_o heretic_n may_v pretend_v he_o have_v not_o those_o particular_a influence_n for_o a_o whole_a year_n g._n k._n though_o a_o heretic_n may_v pretend_v yet_o he_o have_v no_o ground_n from_o our_o principle_n to_o pretend_v to_o any_o such_o thing_n because_o these_o particular_a influence_n can_v be_v want_v neither_o for_o one_o year_n nor_o for_o any_o time_n that_o the_o particular_a duty_n ought_v to_o be_v go_v about_o and_o if_o any_o do_v pretend_v the_o want_n of_o particular_a influence_n to_o pray_v etc._n etc._n they_o be_v to_o be_v judge_v as_o guilty_a and_o deceitful_a as_o give_v that_o for_o a_o excuse_n which_o be_v not_o sufficient_a although_o all_o have_v not_o the_o utterance_n of_o prayer_n so_o as_o to_o pray_v in_o word_n nor_o can_v any_o pray_v true_o in_o word_n but_o by_o a_o particular_a influence_n a._n sh._n this_o influence_n or_o inspiration_n be_v either_o command_a or_o forbid_v so_o g._n k._n understand_v it_o but_o because_o of_o the_o great_a confusion_n or_o noise_n he_o can_v certain_o say_v and_o upon_o this_o understanding_n g._n k._n answer_v it_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a enumeration_n for_o there_o be_v a_o midst_n praeses_fw-la a._n th._n master_n keith_n you_o know_v we_o say_v nondatur_fw-la medium_n student_n there_o be_v no_o midst_n betwixt_o contradictory_n proposition_n g._n k._n but_o these_o proposition_n be_v not_o contradictory_n for_o there_o be_v a_o midst_n betwixt_o command_v and_o forbid_v a._n shir._n either_o he_o do_v command_v or_o not_o command_v there_o be_v no_o midst_n here_o choose_v you_o whether_o g._n k._n he_o do_v not_o command_v we_o in_o all_o thing_n in_o which_o we_o be_v inspire_v for_o some_o inspiration_n be_v mandatory_a and_o command_v some_o permissory_a or_o permit_v and_o some_o forbid_v so_o betwixt_o command_v and_o forbid_v the_o midst_n be_v permit_v j._n l._n but_o a_o permission_n can_v be_v a_o inspiration_n otherwise_o you_o may_v say_v a_o stone_n do_v inspire_v you_o as_o much_o as_o god_n because_o a_o stone_n do_v permit_v or_o not_o hinder_v you_o g._n k._n i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n for_o i_o offer_v to_o show_v from_o scripture_n that_o paul_n when_o he_o do_v a_o thing_n by_o permission_n be_v inspire_v as_o when_o he_o say_v i_o speak_v this_o by_o permission_n and_o not_o by_o commandment_n here_o he_o be_v write_v scripture_n by_o inspiration_n in_o the_o very_a time_n 16.7_o and_o again_o where_o he_o say_v i_o assay_v to_o go_v to_o such_o a_o place_n but_o the_o spirit_n permit_v not_o a._n shir._n this_o be_v not_o a_o permission_n but_o a_o hinder_v or_o not_o a_o permit_v he_o g._n k._n but_o i_o gather_v out_o of_o these_o word_n by_o the_o rule_n of_o contrary_n that_o if_o the_o spirit_n do_v not_o permit_v paul_n at_o sometime_o it_o do_v permit_v he_o at_o other_o time_n and_o this_o permission_n be_v by_o inspiration_n and_o i_o hope_v it_o be_v lawful_a for_o i_o to_o make_v this_o observation_n or_o note_n upon_o this_o scripture_n see_v your_o master_n will_v make_v half_o a_o dozen_o not_o so_o much_o to_o the_o purpose_n but_o for_o the_o further_o open_v of_o this_o matter_n i_o distinguish_v of_o permission_n thus_o there_o be_v a_o negative_a permission_n and_o a_o positive_a permission_n a_o negative_a permission_n be_v a_o simple_a forbearance_n or_o not_o meddle_v in_o any_o case_n and_o such_o a_o negative_a permission_n be_v no_o sufficient_a warrant_n to_o we_o to_o do_v any_o thing_n the_o positive_a permission_n be_v when_o god_n by_o some_o inward_a evidence_n or_o signification_n of_o his_o spirit_n by_o word_n or_o otherwise_o make_v we_o know_v that_o he_o allow_v we_o to_o do_v such_o a_o thing_n although_o he_o command_v it_o not_o as_o for_o example_n if_o a_o scholar_n shall_v go_v forth_o out_o of_o the_o school_n without_o get_v of_o his_o master_n leave_n this_o be_v a_o negative_a permission_n and_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o the_o scholar_n to_o go_v forth_o but_o when_o the_o scholar_n come_v and_o say_v let_v i_o go_v forth_o and_o the_o master_n answer_v thou_o may_v go_v this_o be_v a_o positive_a permission_n and_o not_o a_o command_n praeses_fw-la andr._n th._n example_n be_v not_o demonstration_n g._n k._n but_o they_o may_v be_v use_v to_o illustrate_v praeses_fw-la a._n th._n but_o the_o master_n say_v to_o the_o scholar_n exi_fw-la go_v forth_o which_o be_v in_o the_o imperative_a and_o that_o signify_v to_o command_v g._n k._n that_o be_v but_o a_o grammaticism_n for_o the_o imperative_a mood_n do_v not_o always_o signify_v to_o command_v but_o sometime_o to_o command_v and_o sometime_o to_o permit_v which_o i_o refer_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o schoolmaster_n who_o teach_v the_o grammar_n a._n th._n praeses_fw-la this_o be_v rather_o like_o a_o debate_n about_o grammatication_n of_o imperative_a mood_n permissive_a than_o about_o the_o matter_n intend_v therefore_o come_v to_o the_o purpose_n a._n shir._n in_o the_o prosecution_n of_o this_o argument_n against_o this_o thesis_n allege_v on_o g._n k_n he_o will_v not_o pay_v his_o debt_n because_o he_o may_v pretend_v he_o want_v a_o inspiration_n to_o do_v it_o g._n k._n i_o hope_v none_o can_v blame_v i_o for_o refuse_v to_o pay_v my_o debt_n and_o i_o pay_v my_o debt_n as_o well_o as_o any_o of_o you_o nor_o can_v any_o be_v suppose_v that_o man_n can_v want_v a_o inspiration_n to_o do_v any_o such_o thing_n and_o we_o refer_v ourselves_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n in_o all_o sober_a person_n here_o present_a paul_n jelly_n i_o have_v a_o argument_n to_o propose_v for_o water-baptism_n r._n b._n then_o let_v i_o read_v the_o thesis_n which_o be_v read_v and_o be_v as_o follow_v as_o there_o be_v one_o lord_n and_o one_o faith_n so_o there_o be_v one_o baptism_n ephes_n 4.5_o which_o be_v not_o the_o put_v away_o of_o the_o filth_n of_o the_o flesh_n but_o the_o answer_n of_o a_o good_a conscience_n before_o god_n by_o the_o resurrection_n of_o jesus_n christ_n 1_o pet._n 3.21_o and_o this_o baptism_n be_v a_o holy_a and_o spiritual_a thing_n to_o wit_n the_o baptism_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o fire_n by_o which_o we_o be_v bury_v with_o he_o col._n 2.12_o that_o be_v wash_v and_o purge_v from_o our_o sin_n we_o may_v walk_v in_o newness_n of_o life_n rom._n 6.4_o of_o which_o the_o baptism_n of_o john_n be_v a_o figure_n which_o be_v command_v for_o a_o time_n and_o not_o to_o continue_v for_o ever_o as_o to_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n be_v a_o mere_a humane_a tradition_n for_o which_o neither_o precept_n nor_o practice_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o all_o the_o scripture_n r._n b._n what_o have_v thou_o against_o this_o thesis_n be_v it_o not_o the_o express_a word_n of_o scripture_n p._n g._n it_o be_v true_a and_o therein_o we_o agree_v but_o i_o oppose_v your_o meaning_n of_o it_o r._n b._n sometime_o we_o make_v no_o meaning_n in_o the_o case_n for_o the_o scripture_n declare_v our_o meaning_n g._n k._n you_o have_v a_o large_a field_n to_o dispute_v in_o in_o the_o last_o part_n of_o the_o thesis_n if_o you_o please_v where_o he_o positive_o affirm_v that_o sprinkle_n of_o infant_n be_v a_o mere_a humane_a tradition_n student_n we_o will_v not_o meddle_v with_o that_o at_o this_o time_n p._n g._n either_o you_o mean_v by_o this_o thesis_n that_o water-baptism_n be_v cease_v or_o not_o cease_v r._n b._n come_v on_o we_o mean_v it_o be_v cease_v p._n g._n i_o prove_v it_o be_v not_o cease_v thus_o if_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o continue_v with_o his_o church_n for_o ever_o then_o water-baptism_n be_v to_o continue_v for_o ever_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o g._n k._n people_z take_v notice_n he_o say_v water-baptism_n be_v to_o continue_v for_o ever_o if_o so_o than_o we_o must_v be_v baptize_v in_o heaven_n after_o this_o life_n with_o water-baptism_n stud._n he_o mean_v by_o for_o ever_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n r._n b._n have_v repeat_v the_o argument_n i_o deny_v the_o sequel_n of_o the_o first_o proposition_n p._n g._n i_o prove_v it_o from_o matth._n 28._o go_v teach_v and_o baptize_v all_o nation_n etc._n etc._n here_o christ_n command_v they_o to_o baptize_v show_v he_o will_v be_v

establish_v by_o many_o law_n &_o for_o a_o far_o long_a time_n than_o the_o profession_n we_o oppose_v it_o seem_v you_o defend_v yourselves_o chief_o by_o popish_a weapon_n as_o will_v anon_o further_o appear_v in_o order_n whereunto_o i_o shall_v speak_v a_o word_n or_o two_o to_o john_n menzies_n and_o so_o make_v a_o end_n the_o great_a and_o frequent_a argument_n that_o both_o thy_o scholar_n and_o other_o make_v against_o we_o be_v that_o we_o have_v no_o certain_a evidence_n by_o which_o we_o can_v make_v know_v that_o we_o be_v lead_v by_o the_o spirit_n that_o heretic_n and_o other_o can_v pretend_v to_o now_o if_o this_o may_v be_v admit_v as_o relevant_a or_o strong_a against_o we_o i_o desire_v thou_o will_v be_v please_v to_o show_v i_o how_o thou_o can_v extricate_v thyself_o out_o of_o the_o same_o difficulty_n when_o urge_v by_o the_o jesuit_n dempster_n that_o the_o scripture_n which_o thou_o assign_v as_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o protestant_a religion_n be_v a_o evidence_n for_o you_o see_v all_o heretic_n also_o pretend_v to_o it_o let_v i_o see_v what_o difficulty_n occur_v in_o our_o case_n as_o to_o the_o spirit_n which_o likewise_o occur_v not_o the_o same_o very_a way_n in_o you_o as_o to_o the_o scripture_n for_o beside_o that_o we_o have_v as_o good_a ground_n to_o lay_v claim_n to_o the_o scripture_n as_o yourselves_o and_o be_v ready_a and_o i_o hope_v able_a to_o prove_v our_o principle_n from_o they_o as_o well_o as_o yourselves_o if_o you_o say_v man_n may_v be_v deceive_v by_o a_o seduce_a spirit_n what_o then_o will_v it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n will_v deceive_v any_o or_o that_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v guide_v by_o it_o more_o than_o because_o many_o man_n have_v be_v and_o be_v deceive_v by_o a_o misunderstanding_n and_o wrong_a use_n of_o the_o scripture_n that_o therefore_o the_o scripture_n do_v deceive_v people_n or_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v the_o rule_n if_o it_o be_v say_v divers_a man_n pretend_v to_o the_o spirit_n contradict_v one_o another_o do_v not_o the_o same_o recur_v as_o to_o the_o scripture_n what_o great_a contradiction_n can_v there_o be_v than_o there_o be_v betwixt_o certain_a church_n both_o acknowledge_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n have_v thou_o forget_v john_n how_o thou_o and_o thy_o elder_a brother_n andr._n cant_n who_o both_o affirm_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o only_a certain_a rule_n &_o yet_o oftentimes_o before_o the_o same_o auditory_a in_o the_o same_o pulpit_n do_v from_o the_o very_a same_o ver_fw-la of_o scripture_n ps_n 93.5_o holiness_n become_v thy_o house_n o_o lord_n for_o ever_o draw_v different_a and_o contradictory_n doctrine_n uses_n and_o application_n if_o that_o then_o will_v not_o infer_v according_a to_o you_o the_o scripture_n to_o be_v a_o uncertain_a rule_n neither_o will_v the_o other_o as_o to_o the_o spirit_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o same_o man_n pretend_v to_o be_v guide_v by_o the_o spirit_n have_v be_v of_o different_a judgement_n do_v not_o the_o same_o also_o recur_v as_o to_o the_o scripture_n or_o need_v we_o go_v further_o john_n than_o thyself_o to_o prove_v this_o who_o have_v all_o along_o acknowledge_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n and_o yet_o sometime_o judge_v the_o congregational_a way_n to_o be_v preferable_a to_o the_o presbyterian_a &_o then_o the_o presbyterian_a better_o then_o independent_a and_o now_o the_o episcopal_a preferable_a to_o both_o or_o tell_v i_o john_n honest_o do_v the_o scripture_n deceive_v thou_o when_o thou_o preach_v upon_o that_o text_n why_o mourn_v thou_o for_o saul_n if_o thou_o say_v thou_o only_o here_o misunderstand_v the_o place_n and_o misapply_v it_o yet_o be_v the_o scripture_n for_o all_o that_o true_a and_o certain_a may_v not_o the_o same_o he_o say_v if_o one_o pretend_v the_o spirit_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n shall_v fall_v in_o the_o like_a error_n that_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v or_o thence_o term_v uncertain_a but_o the_o man_n that_o mistake_v the_o voice_n thereof_o or_o take_v his_o own_o imagination_n instead_o of_o it_o as_o thou_o do_v thy_o misapprehension_n for_o the_o sense_n of_o that_o scripture_n if_o thou_o can_v extricate_v thyself_o out_o of_o these_o difficulty_n so_o as_o to_o satisfy_v i_o or_o any_o other_o rational_a and_o indifferent_a person_n i_o may_v serious_o say_v to_o thou_o according_a to_o the_o proverb_n eris_n mihi_fw-la magnus_fw-la apollo_n and_o real_o thou_o may_v not_o be_v without_o hope_n of_o make_v a_o proselyte_n but_o if_o it_o appear_v to_o all_o judicious_a and_o unprejudicate_a person_n that_o john_n menzies_n argument_n against_o the_o quaker_n be_v no_o other_o than_o the_o jesuit_n against_o he_o and_o whatever_o way_n he_o can_v defend_v himself_o against_o the_o jesuit_n so_o the_o quaker_n can_v do_v against_o he_o and_o impugn_v and_o straiten_v he_o the_o same_o way_n so_o that_o his_o argument_n be_v like_o the_o viper_n brood_n that_o destroy_v he_o that_o bring_v it_o forth_o i_o say_v if_o this_o appear_v what_o may_v candid_a person_n judge_v of_o john_n menzies_n honesty_n that_o have_v assert_v in_o print_n that_o quakerism_n be_v popery_n under_o a_o disguise_n and_o the_o papist_n and_o quaker_n be_v one_o the_o state_n of_o the_o controversy_n in_o the_o first_o place_n then_o both_o upon_o our_o part_n and_o you_o be_v in_o thesis_n and_o not_o in_o hypothesi_fw-la that_o be_v not_o whether_o or_o not_o we_o be_v true_o rule_v by_o the_o spirit_n or_o can_v give_v a_o evidence_n of_o it_o more_o than_o whether_o you_o be_v true_o lead_v by_o the_o scripture_n or_o can_v give_v any_o evidence_n that_o you_o be_v but_o whether_o we_o do_v well_o in_o say_v the_o spirit_n be_v the_o principal_a rule_n of_o faith_n for_o though_o divers_a sect_n now_o to_o wit_n lutheran_n calvinist_n episcopalian_o presbyterian_o independent_o anabaptist_n antinomian_o arminian_n etc._n etc._n do_v all_o quarrel_v one_o another_o each_o lay_v claim_n to_o be_v lead_v by_o the_o scripture_n &_o deny_v it_o of_o the_o other_o yet_o do_v they_o all_o agree_v in_o this_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o only_a rule_n will_v it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o the_o rule_n or_o certain_a because_o none_o of_o these_o can_v give_v a_o certain_a evidence_n convince_a their_o respective_a opposer_n that_o they_o be_v lead_v by_o it_o so_o on_o the_o other_o hand_n though_o such_o as_o affirm_v the_o spirit_n to_o be_v the_o principal_a rule_n can_v give_v any_o evidence_n to_o convince_v their_o opposer_n that_o they_o be_v lead_v by_o it_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o rule_n or_o that_o they_o err_v in_o affirm_v it_o so_o to_o be_v a_o postscript_n as_o the_o apostle_n paul_n say_v concern_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n that_o there_o be_v diversity_n of_o operation_n but_o one_o spirit_n and_o one_o body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v his_o church_n so_o i_o may_v say_v concern_v antichrist_n and_o his_o spirit_n and_o body_n the_o body_n of_o antichrist_n be_v but_o one_o have_v many_o member_n and_o the_o spirit_n of_o antichrist_n be_v but_o one_o in_o the_o root_n though_o in_o different_a operation_n &_o appearance_n and_o what_o be_v this_o body_n of_o antichrist_n but_o all_o these_o whether_o papist_n or_o other_o though_o pretend_v to_o reformation_n under_o whatsoever_o designation_n as_o episcopal_a presbyterian_a independent_a anabaptist_n or_o any_o else_o who_o oppose_v the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o spiritual_a appearance_n and_o operation_n in_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v his_o church_n a_o manifest_a instance_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o i_o myself_o of_o late_o have_v be_v a_o ear_n and_o eye_n witness_v of_o for_o not_o many_o month_n ago_o i_o have_v occasion_n at_o london_n both_o to_o see_v with_o my_o eye_n and_o hear_v with_o my_o ear_n how_o the_o people_n call_v anabaptist_n some_o of_o their_o chief_a teacher_n oppose_v deny_v slight_v and_o by_o all_o mean_v their_o earthly_a and_o devilish_a wisdom_n can_v invent_v labour_v to_o make_v of_o none_o effect_v the_o inward_a evidence_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o his_o people_n allege_v open_o in_o the_o face_n of_o thousand_o that_o whoever_o ●ould_v not_o give_v a_o evidence_n to_o their_o adversary_n that_o they_o be_v inspire_v with_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n such_o as_o no_o heretic_n can_v pretend_v to_o be_v no_o christian_n but_o deceiver_n so_o these_o anabaptist_n late_o argue_v against_o we_o at_o london_n in_o a_o open_a assembly_n and_o so_o now_o since_o in_o my_o own_o native_a country_n within_o these_o few_o day_n i_o have_v see_v the_o same_o spirit_n to_o appear_v in_o man_n profess_o very_o much_o differ_v from_o