the light wherewith Christ inlightens every man that cometh into the world Ans That being a created work of light it is not the object of faith we are no where warranted to believe in a creature but threatned with a curse if we do it 3. He saith that we deny that men are to know their justification or that they are in a justified estate by the immediate testimony of the spirit and so do Papists Ans It is by us lookt upon as an errour in Papists that they are against the certaine knowledge and assurance of Justification and do so much cry up doubtings but though Papists should oppose the knowledge of justification by an immediat testimony of the spirit this will not prove it to be Popery Every thing that Papists mantaine is not Popery for it is known they hold some truths in common with the Orthodox Popery is their super added inventions and corrupt additions to the truth amongst which is their and your doctrine of justification by inherent righteousness SECT III. We are not justified by good and Gracious Works wrought in us He saith that Rom. 3.28 Gal. 2.16 The works of the law are excluded but not the works of Christ in us Ans Either the works of the law which in these scriptures are excluded from justification must be evil and sinful works or else good and gracious works they are not evil and sinful for here the Apostle confutes such among the Romans and Galatians as had corrupted the doctrine of justification but it would be irrational to think that their opinion was that sinful works did justify could they imagine that to be the cause of justification which deserveth and bringeth on condemnation And therefore the Apostle excludeth from justifition good and gracious works and consequently the works of Christ in us as not being the meritorious cause of justification Further we shal find that works simply and in general are excluded from justification and this is notably proved in the case of Abraham who though a gracious and godly man yet was not justified by works Rom. 4.2.3.4.5 For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory but what saith the scripture Abraham believed GOD and it was counted to him for righteousness now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt but to him that worketh not but believeth in him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness Likewise works without that limitation of the law are excluded Tit. 3.5 which scripture was cited by me in opposition to justification by works as the meritorious cause thereof verse 7. that being justified by his grace we should be made heires according to the hope of eternal life and indeed works in us and done by us neither merit justification nor salvation though they be the qualification of the persons that are justified and shal be saved for all such are regenerate and renewed by the Holy Ghost It is a known saying good works are the way to the Kingdome and not the cause of reigning and we onely deny them to be meritorious causes of blessedness in this respect the Apostle excludes works generally And therefore the Gentle-man might have kept in his insulting triumphing words why should he be at so much paines to make to himself a man of straw and then take pleasure to undress him There is no hazard to exclude the merit of works in justification and yet to affirme them necessarily requisite in the subject justified He telleth us page 38. That they justly cast off the accusation of Popery having express testimony of scripture that we are justified by workes Jam. 2.24 Answer Papists alledge the same scripture for justification by vvorks and therefore one ansvvere shal serve you both vve must distinguish betvveen justification before GOD and justification before men if vve speake of GOD and being justified in his sight and before his Tribunal then vvorks cannot serve the turne Job 9.2.3 But how should man be just with GOD if he will contend with him he cannot answere him one of a thousand Yet vvorks are useful in respect of men to declare and clear our Justification as to them thus Abraham was justified by works Jam. 2.21 that is declared to be just hereby he was approved as just and righteous in his own conscience and before the World He saith that good works are not ours in that signification as where it is said Hebrews 4 10. he that hath entered to his rest hath ceased from his own works Answer None of us do affirme that that good and gracious works are ours in that way that sinful works are and therefore his answere is but a shift he cannot deny good works of Christ in us to be called ours for though we be enabled to them by Christ and so efficiently his yet they are subjectivly our own our own faith and our own repentance it is not Christ but we who repent and believe Hence it is evident that if justification be by good works of Christ in us then our good works justify us for these are ours in respect of subject and inherency He addeth that faith may be excluded from justification if it were granted to be imperfect Answer This is his groundless assertion for the matter and substance of our justification is not faith but the perfect righteousness of Christ apprehended by faith and upon the account of this object of faith to wit Christs perfect righteousness Which faith applyeth therefore faith is said to be accounted for righteousness Rom. 4.5 He saith that little faith is perfect in the measure of it and though the Disciples had doubting yet the faith was not doubting Answer According to this he might as well say that light in the Aire at the very first breaking in and dawning of the day is perfect light for though the Aire then be partly light and partly dark yet the light is not darkness yea he might call gold attended and mingled with a great deale of dross perfect gold because the gold is not dross And page 39. he reasoneth no better alledging that though we know but in part yet our knowledge is not imperfect we may know a thing in part and that which we know of it we may know perfectly Ans It is needful to enquire what is meant by imperfection is not that imperfection when there is not that degree of grace in us which ought to be Now when our faith is but little and our knowledge in part have we all that faith and knowledge that we ought to have Or rather have we not cause to complaine that we come short of the command Who can say they know GOD believe in him and love him in the highest degree that they are bound to do if not then these graceâ— must be imperfect Object It is said of Abraham that his faith was perfected by works Jam. 2.22 Answer This comes to no more but that his faith was made known and
own persons verse 14. death reigned from Adam to Moses even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression that is over Infants who sinned not actually as Adam did in their own persons yet they were subject to death as well as others 2. Object It is said Ezek. 18.20 the soul that sinneth it shal die the son shal not bear the iniquity of the father Answer What if the son be a partaker of the fathers iniquity will not GOD then visit the iniquity of the fathers upon the children Exod. 20.5 Now though Infants partake not of Adams sin by imitation yet they partake of his sin in so far as Adam was the root of Mankind and sinned as a publick person representing them the root dying all the branches dyed in it and with it 1. Cor. 15.22 He saith page 64. That Infants are subject to diseases and death this proves them not to be sinners Ans The Scripture gives ground to believe that if man had not sinned he should not have dyed because death is onely threatned in case of mans sinning Gen. 2.17 and upon his sinning GOD told him not till then that he should returne to the dust Gen. 3.19 It is true the inanimat creatures suffer for the sin of man But it followeth not that therefore all of Mankind who suffer death are not sinners especialy seeing the Apostle plainly affirmes that death entered by sin and death hath passed upon all for that all have sinned so that he concludes all persons who are lyable to death to be under the guilt of sin and consequently sinners Christ indeed though innocent was a man of sorrowes because our sins were laid upon him He pleadeth for the salvation of all Infants who die in their infancy alledging that Scripture Mark. 10.14 suffer little children to come unto me for of such is the Kingdom of GOD. Answer The Kingdom of GOD is taken either for the Kingdom of Grace or for the Kingdom of Glory and such Infants as are subjects of his Kingdom of Grace upon whom the Lord exerciseth a gracious government in regenerating and sanctifying them all such Infants shal be admitted to the Kingdom of Glory But how will the Quaker prove that all Infants who die in their infancy have such s gracious operation in and upon them Now the Scripture is plaine that there is that in Infants which makes them lyable to destruction Ephes 2.3 by nature we are children of wrath that is from the very first receiving of our natures and beings we receive withal a lyableness to the wrath of GOD. And that some Infants do perish may be gathered from that which befell Sodom and Gomorrha none of the inhabitants were spared no not the Infants and Sucklings and they were not onely consumed with fire and brimston but it is expresly said that they suffer the vengeance of eternal fire Jude verse 7. He saith page 65. That Christ is a Saviour not onely to save from sin but also from the consequences of sin not onely from the fruits and branches of it but from the seed Answer Christ indeed is a perfect Saviour and will compleatly save his people from every sin and evil but whom he thus saveth it supposeth that they had sin in them to be saved from but if the Quaker speak truth Infants have not sin in them to be saved from for he saith they are not guilty of Adams sin and the seed doth not make them guilty of sin before GOD because they do not close with it now actual sin they have not so that Christ is not a Saviour to save them from their sin and consequently they are shut out from being in the number of Christs people I cannot but take notice of the Gentle-mans impudence or else ignorance in bringing that Scripture Matth. 1.21 as making so much against us as if we were for a salvation in our sins whenas nothing can more unjustly be charged upon us We assert that whom the Lord saveth he workes in them a detestation of sin and a purpose to come off from all their sins and delivers them in this life from sin in part compare Rom. 6.6 with Rom. 7.20.24 and at death he gives them a total riddance of sin Heb. 4.10 To say that Infāts are saved frō sin because they are not suffered to fall into it it might be as well said that Christ died to save the Elect holy Angels frō sin because they are not suffered to fall into sin This looks like the old evasion of the Pelagians viz. that Infants need Christ not to save them from sin but to bring them to the Kingdom of Heaven against whom Augustin urged that they divided these two names of our Saviour Jesus and Christ making him a Christ where he was not a Jesus HEAD XV. Concerning the perseverance of the Saints which Quakers are against He addeth That they hold no such matter as falling away from Regeneration and that these that fell away never attained to regeneration Ans Here he seeks to hide himself but may easily be discovered For is not this the doctrine of Quakers that Saints may fall totally and finally away from true and saving grace G. Keith in his answer to my Queries sticks not to say that this is clear both from experience and abundant testimonies of Scripture Now are not Saints regenerat What is Regeneration but to be brought into such a state wherein we are made like GOD in righteousness and holiness And this being the state of Saints then it followeth that if Saints may fall away totally and finally which Quakers grant then there may be a total and final falling away from Regeneration It is in vaine to assert a total and final falling away from saving grace because it is said some who believed afterwards fell away and some make shipwrack of the faith and some who tasted the good word of GOD and the powers of the world to come fell away Seeing it is known that we use to distinguish between seeming counterfeit grace and sound saving grace between the common gifts of the Spirit and the saving graces of the Spirit Now it is incumbent for the Gentle-man to prove that they who believed made shipwrack of their faith or others who finally fell away had the sound and saving graces of the spirit which is the thing that we deny He saith That Philipp 1.6 is to be understood no otherwise then as the condition is made good on their part as Heb. 3.14 we are made partakers of Christ if we hold fast unto the end Answer The condition which the Lord requires on his peoples part he promiseth to enable them to make good Ierem. 32.29 I will give them one heart that they may fear me for ever Here is a promise that GODS People shal persevere in cleaving to him and the promise of GOD cannot faile it is more sure then Heaven and Earth Mark 13.31 Page 66. in answering 1. Pet. 1.5 He saith
may appear how corruptly the Quaker would be translating the words it must be considered that the doctrine of Quakers is That Christ was crucified in the Corinthians in the time of their unbelief and at that time Christ was crucified in them in his suffering seed that seed of Light and Truth suffered in them under the burden of their transgression Now remark that the knowledge of Christ mentioned 1. Corinth 2.2 was that which Paul rejoyced in hence he saith God forbid that I should glory save in the Cross of Christ now it would not have been the Apostles joy but his grief to know that the Light of Christ was born down in them by their transgression And therefore I must say it againe that text speaks of Christ outwardly crucified and the obediential heart affecting knowledge of Christ thus crucified is the maine thing that all who profess Christianity should aime to attaine unto And as it is a calumny to insinuate that that which we plead for is a bare naming of Christs Death and Passion so it is a gross abuse of that Scripture 2. Cor. 5.16 to inferre from it any thing against the knowledge of Christs outward Crucifixion For the thing which the Apostle there condemns is earthly and carnal thoughts of Christ as if Christ as King of Israel should begin an earthly and temporal Kingdom in this manner saith the Apostle from henceforth know we him no more or we know him no more as a man living amongst us He addeth page 21. That the Blood of Christ knowne and felt within for Christ as he is within is not without his Blood which he giveth to them who know not distinctly the outward shedding of the Blood as it was many hundred yeares ago Answere It is hard to take up what the Quaker means by Christs Blood within he calls it spiritual even the pure Blood of the Vine But seeing he speaketh of it as distinct from the outward shedding of Christs Blood it would seeme that either he inclines to justify that which hath been charged upon some of his brethren for saying that they are not such fools as to hope to be saved by that JESUS who was crucified at Jerusalem above sixteen hundred years ago Or that which hath been charged upon others of them who affirme that CHRIST as man dwels in them A doctrine that tends to overthrow the Ascention of Christ to Heaven there to continue till the Restitution of all things Act. 3.21 If the Quaker designe nothing by the Blood of Christ felt within but the inward working of the Spirit helping men believingly to apply Christs Blood which was shed at Jerusalem besides this there is no other heart cleansing and conscience purging Blood and every cleansing Grace in the Soul is the fruit of this Blood Then it is his work to prove that they are wholly ignorant of this Blood that is know no such thing as Christs Passion and Suffering who yet are helped to a believing application of it which if he do then true Faith shal be a blind Faith contrary to Esa 53.11 by his knowledge shal my righteous servant justify many SECT III. The tendency of the Quakers Principle to introduce Paganisme He saith as for thy deceitful insinuation to render us odious that if our principles were generally owned these Nations would be overspread in an Age or two with as palpable darkness as the Heathens at this day are seeing it hath no just ground we returne it upon thee as false and malicious c. Answere Bona verba quaeso soft words and hard arguments would become you better If it be the Quakers principle that the light within is a sufficient teacher and that taking heed to this there needs no more then it is no deceit to affirme that this tends to introduce Paganisme and that the general owning of it would make these Nations in a short time as the Heathen Nations at this day are Now that this is their principle our Quakers cannot deny but by denying the writtings of their infallible friends who in their Printed books call upon people to cease from their outside lights and to returne to the light of Christ in them saying that they who look out at teachers without them are strangers to that Covenant by which all come to know the Lord and need not that one teach another I am credibly informed by a Reverend Person whom I may trust that upon occasion of his visiting a dying friend in Aberdene there was at that time in the house two Quakers and both of them pressed so much upon the dying man to take heed to the light within making this the chief and onely matter of their discourse that my informer found fault with them that they spake so much of taking heed to the light and nothing of believing in Christ Whereupon on of their further said that if he took heed to the light there needed no more words neither book without nor teacher without which in effect is that the light within is so sufficient a teacher that there needs no other to teach but that neither the teaching of the Scriptures nor the Ministry of men and laying this Teaching aside what a woful plight should these Nations in an Age or two be in There is no doubt but dismal darkness would overspread them It is like that now the Quakers do see how much this principle contradicts their own practise and must of necessity tend to make them odious for they have teachers and teaching among themselves And therefore it s added page 22. that the light must not only be taken heed unto but believed obeyed and walked in which who do it will lead them to use the Scriptures and lead them to the assemblies of Gods people and to hear and receive the Ministry of those whom God sends But some of the Quakers in England to keep their principle from clashing with their practise have been heard say that their teaching is but to take people off from other teachers that they may be brought to minde the light in them alone and then they will cease teachings Now when all Teaching ceaseth except the inward teaching which the Indians have how quickly shal we be like them among whom the Name of CHRIST is not in rememberance SECT IV. The Light GIVER must not be confounded with the Light given He addeth page 22. That they do not confound the Light Giver with the Light or enlightening given Ans Ye do plainly confound them for do ye not call that light Jesus Christ wherewith all men are enlightened And yet this light is but a ray or beame proceeding from Christ and therefore he is said to be that True Light which enlighteneth every man clearly importing a difference between the light in all men and Christ the Donator of this light It is acknowledged that where the light or enlightening from Christ is there is Christ himself namely according to the nature of the light which light in the
Ieremiah Now what word was this surely none else but the message which the Prophet was to deliver from GOD to the persons therein concerned having reference to that dearth which should make Judah mourne and languish verse 2. The same may be said of the other scriptures He addeth What the Scripture saith and GOD saith may be said that they are one because of their agreement Ans This is to advance humane writings and to equal them with the scriptures when their sayings agree with what God saith He saith every one that reads and heares the scriptures read heareth not God immediatly Answer GOD himself speaketh in the Scriptures to them that have eares to hear him Rev. 3.6 And though all that read and hear the Scriptures Read hear not GOD immediatly as the Prophtts who had truths revealed to them by immediat inspiration yet when we read the Scriptures GOD speaks to us mediatly by his written Word and believers so hear his voice that at the reading and hearing of the Scriptures they are forced to say the voice of GOD and not the voice of man Page 27. He saith in answering 1. Thes 2.13 that the word which they heard of the Apostles was the living word Answ The word which they heard of Paul and received as the word of GOD was the Scripture or written word which speaketh of the essential and living word or it was the doctrine he preacht concerning Chtist grounded on and warranted by the Scriptures compare 1. Thess 2.13 with Act. 26.22 He saith that the Pharisees in striking at the first Command did consequently strike at the living word which gave it forth Ans The Pharisees without doubt were enemies to Christ and struck at him many wayes but yet the word which they sought to make void Mark 7. is plainly held forth to be that written precept honour thy father and thy mother compare verse 13. with verse 10. He concludeth the matter saying that the reason why they may not call the scriptures the word of God is that people may be directed to that inward living word Ans If they believe the Scriptures to be true they may and ought to call them the word of GOD for the Scriptures call themselves the word of GOD Ephes 6.17 the sword of the spirit which is the word of GOD this sword of the spirit is not a carnal but a spiritual weapon even the holy Scriptures which are mighty through GOD for repelling the temper and cutting assunder temptations this was the sword which Christ made use of in his conflict with Satan it s written and againe it is written Matth. 4. Luke 4. By calling the Scriptures the word of God which is a name due to them this will make their testimony concerning Christ to be more regarded and therefore the more effectual means to our closing with the living word It seemeth Quakers have strange thoughts of the Scriptures as if they were set up as an Idol instead of that from whence they came If we profess love to the Scriptures and desire to obey them this is not to Idolize them and we are far from putting the Scriptures in Christs stead Did they ever hear any of us call the Scripture the eternal Son of God that Saviour who dyed and suffered thereby paying a ransome for sinners Redemption Do we not say that though the Scriptures be the word of God yet there is a vast difference between them and Christ he being the essential eternal word and the Scriptures onely the word written in time Why then should it be insinuate that we call Christ the Scripture and put the Scripture in his stead is not this unworthy dealing We distinguish between Christ the word and the word of Christ and though the Scripture be not that word which is Christ yet it is the word of that word Colos 3.16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly SECT II. Clearing the Scriptures to be the Rule He addeth that it rests to be proved that the Law and Testimony mentioned Esay 8.20 was not the inward law Ans The proof of this will not be difficult for here the Prophet opposes what is written as being no light if it agree not to the law and testimony Let people pretend what they will to a law and word within yet if they accord not with the Scripture law or scripture word there is no light of truth in them It is undenyable that the outward law gets the name of testimony this name was given unto the law written in the two Tables in regard whereof the Ark was called the Ark of the testimony because those Tables were laid up in the Ark Exod. 25.16 1. King 8.9 My intent in bringing that scripture Ioh. 7.49 was onely to prove the acceptation of the word law for the outward law left upon record in the Scriptures though the Quaker maliciously glosses on it as if in speaking for the law we were crucifying Christ afresh therein comparng us to the Pharisees whereas the comparison will fit the Quakers a great deal better then us their knowne rash censuring abundantly declares their conformity to Pharisees for they can freely pronounce men damned and cursed who will not take their gate of it and this was the way of the Pharisees this people said they who know not the law are cursed Neither is it probable that Christ checkt the Lawyer Luk. 10.26 in saying how readest thou But rather would have men in matters of Religion to consult the scriptures and therefore in convincing ignorant and erroneous persons of their ignorance and errours He alleadged the Scriptures against them Matth. 22.31.32 When a question arose about devorcement Christ had present recourse to the Scripture Matth. 19.4 have ye not read that he that made them at the beginning made them male and female So when the Pharisees accused Christs Disciples for breach of the Sabbath Christ said unto them have ye not read what David did when he was an hungred and they that were with him Matth. 12.3 Christ then would have the scriptures the rule to walk by and matters of Religion to be tryed by them for he refers us to the scriptures for direction and it s his will that we resort to them in controversies and doubts for resolution He saith page 28. That we seeme to lay much stresse upon this that it cannot be made out to a Jew or Turk that Jesus the Son of Mary is in very deed the Christ without the Scripture Answ We lay so much stress on it that we think Quakers can never prove this fundamental truth referring them to the light within for they pretend following of their light in opposing Christ as much as Quakers do at this day in opposing the precious ordinances and truths of Christ And if Pauls course was commendable so must ours if against the Jews we should alledge scripture in demonstrating Christ to be the Messiah for the Jews profess a belief of the scriptures of the Old
Testament Though the inward testimony of the spirit be of great use to perswade and assure us of the divine authority of the scripture yet it is false to affirme that this can be proved no other way but by the spirits inward testimony there are other arguments whereby the authority of the scripture may be convincingly and solidly proved against Turks and Pagans and all Anti-scripturists whatsoever Let me crave leave to put Quakers in minde of one argument which is excellently improved by that judicious servant of GOD Mr. Baxter in his book of the Saints rest page 239. Where he thus reasoneth if the Scriptures be neither the invention of Devils nor of men then they can be from none but GOD he takes it for granted that good Angels could not be guilty of forging the scriptures now he proves at length it would be needless to set down here the full proof of this argument because the book is common and in the hands of many that the Scripture is not the invention of Devils that no meer men were the inventers of Scripture it was neither devised by good men nor by bad men then sure by no man and consequently must of necessity proceed from GOD. When the Ancient Fathers had to do with Pagans who were strangers to the inward testimony of the spirit they made use of other arguments in proving the Scriptures Divinity such as the Heavenliness of the matter the Majestie of the style the efficacy of the Doctrine the verity of the predictions and by these and such like arguments they confounded the learnedst Pagans And JOHN CALVIN lib. 1. cap. 7. of his Instit plainly supposeth that there are other arguments besids the testimony of the spirit to prove the divine authority of the Scriptures saith he verum quidem est si argumentis agere libeat multa posse in medium preferri quae facile evincant siquis est in Coelo DEUS Legem Prophetias Evangelium ab eo manasse i. e. True indeed it is that if we pleased to deale by arguments many things might be produced that may easily prove that if there be a GOD in Heaven that the Law the Prophets and the Gospel came from him Now seeing the Quakers have cited CALVIN I would advise them to look to the 9. chapter wherein be fully sheweth that fanatical men who forsaking scripture betake themselves unto revelation do overturne all principles of godliness He saith that Ioh. 5.39 may be translated ye search the scriptures as Pasor translateth the words Ans The same Pasor speaking of that scripture the kingdom of God is within you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he rendereth the words in medio vestro in sinu gentis vestrae that is in the midst of you in the bosome of your nation and yet the Quakers will not admit of this translation It is confessed that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken by some even PROTESTANT Writters in the indicative mood though by that which followes it appears to be imperative rather then indicative for the great controversie at that time was whether Christ was the Son of GOD and the true Messiah now Christ remits them to the scriptures which the Jews deservedly had in high esteeme as bearing witnesse unto him search the scriptures and they are they which testify of me As who would say peruse them frequently search them diligentlie digging for these heavenly treasures as men do for gold who break every clod that they may find the golden oare Neither doth Christ check them when he saith in them ye think to have eternal life this was a true thought as to the scriptures pointing out the way to Eternal life 2. Tim. 1.10 Seeing the Quaker page 29. granteth that the scriptures are profitable for doctrine correction reproof instruction in righteousness why then doth he not acknowledge them to be a perfect rule of faith and manners VVhat more can be requisite to prove their perfection then their teaching truth confuting errour reproving sin and discovering duty There is enough said and delivered in the Scripture to direct us in things to be believed and practised and if the Scriptures do not actually profit us for this end the blaime is to be laid at the door of our ignorance and perversnesse Now the scriptures are thus profitabe that the man of God may be perfect i. e. That the Minister of Jesus Christ may be compleate and every way fitted for the work of his Calling for though any man led by the spirit of GOD may in a general sense be called the man of God yet the Lord honours his Ministers with this tittle and peculiarly attributs it to them 1. Sam. 2.27 and 9.6 1. King 17.18 SECT III. Shewing that the Spirit within is not the Rule In stead of answering my argument proving that the Spirit within is not the rule he saith did these Jews receive Christ who had the scriptures Did they not reject him and why Because they hearkned not to the inward voice and testimony of the Father concerning him and this was the testimony which he said was greater then that of John Ans Look into the place where Christ speaks of this testimony and it will be found that it is no inward voice of the Father there spoken of See Ioh. 5.36 I have a greater witness then that of John for the works which the Father hath given me to finish the same works that I do bear witness of me That is his works in doing miracles these were a more convincing witness of Christs being the promised Messiah then that of John And therefore when Iohns Disciples askt saying art thou he that shal come or do we look for another Jesus answered go and shew John these things which ye do hear and see the blind receive their sight c. As for that testimony which the Father gave concerning Christ verse 37. it was not an inward voice and testimony but an outward audible voice from Heaven Matth. 3.17 compared with 2. Pet. 1.17.18 And Christ reproveth the unbelieving Jews in that they were ignorant of the Father though they gloried so much of him as being the people whose Progenitors had heard the voice of GOD Deut. 4.12 Now Christ sheweth that all this was nothing to them for they were strangers to such manifestations of GOD and they looked not like that people whose Ancestors had heard so much of GOD ye have neither heard his voice nor seen his shape He saith there is not any word 1. Ioh. 4.1 of trying the spirits by the scriptures Answer It is sufficient if there be warrand in other places though no express mention of it in this for trying the spirits by the scripture Now seeing every spirit is not to be believed that is every doctrine propounded as received by inspiration from Gods spirit false teachers will be as ready as any to boast of the spirit and therefore we must try from what spirit their doctrine cometh And what surer and
that they will rather confirme them in their deceit Now according to us scripture is the rule which lyes patent open to both parties And therfore a Papist of great note is faine to acknowledge that Scripturis nihil est certius nihil est notius i. e. nothing is more certaine and more evident then the Scriptures And this is profitable 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is for conviction and as was said though the Scriptures do not actually convince the stubborn and stiff-heretick yet there is so much in them as may satisfy an inquisitive adversary who is willing to know right from wrong and truth from errour Appollos mightily convinced the Jews by the Scriptures It is inconsequential to argue that the Scripture or written word is not the rule to us to whom GOD hath set down his mind in write because it was not a rule to them who lived when the Scripture or written word was not As for the Prophets the event of what they foretold was that whereby they were to be tryed Deut. 18.22 When a Prophet speaketh in the Name ef the LORD if the thing follow not that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken but the Prophet hath spoken presumptuously thou shalt not be affraid of him Ierem. 28.9 The Prophet which prophesieth of peace when the word of the LORD shal come to passe then shal the Prophet be known that the Lord hath sent him But because GOD for the tryall of his people may sometimes suffer such things to fall out as false-prophets fortell Deut. 13.2 Therefore when men pretend themselves to be prophets sent of GOD their doctrine must be brought to the rule and touch-stone of GODS written word and thereby examined Esay 8.20 He saith page 31. that we disjoyne the word and the spirit because many preach and read the scriptures and talk of them without the joyn'd concurrence of the spirit which they ought not to do Answer He hath not offered to prove that the Scriptures should not be read or spoken of without the concurrence of the spirit unless that be his proof we say they ought not to do but upon what ground do ye say so 1. The command for reading and speaking of the Scriptures hath not this condition annexed to it that we should read and speak of the scriptures onely when we have a concurrence of the spirit and never but then where is there such a condition mentioned 2. What shal be the carriage of wicked persons who are strangers to the drawings and motion of the spirit must the Bible be to them as an Almanack out of date Shal it be to them as a book useless to look into 3. When the Saints want the concurrence of the spirit may they not read and talk of the Scriptures as a mean of good to their souls Hovv many cold hearts have been rubbed and chaffed into spiritual heat by reading and talking of the Scriptures In so doing the Lord hath met vvith them and made their hearts to burne within them Now though the scriptures may be read and spoken of without the concurrence of the spirit Yet to affirme this is not to disjoyne the Scriptures and the spirit separating the one from the other for still the Scriptures remaine to be the endytment of the spirit being spoken and breathed forth by the spirit Act. 28.25 Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaias the prophet unto our fathers Act. 1.16 this scripture must needs have been fulfilled which the holy Ghost spake by the mouth of David Marke the Scriptures which Dav d and others of the Prophets penned they are the breathings forth of the Holy Ghost himself Why doth the Quaker complaine so much for my improving Esay 59.21 as if it made so much against me whereas it is directly to that purpose which it was alledged for namely that GODS Spirit and word go together and doth not the Lord here promise that the Spirit and Word should continue with his Church and People to direct and instruct them in all necessaries throughout all ages sucessivly even unto the end of the world He asketh cannot dead things kill if men feed upon them Answ There is no doubt of it yet the Scripture or that part of Scripture which is called the law is said to be killing in such a way as dead things are not And therefore this killing Letter is spoken of as being the ministration of death and the ministration of condemnation For the Law threatens death against the sinner and curseth every one that abideth not in all things that are written therein 2. Cor. 6.7.9 Now are the dead things which the Quaker reckons up thus killing It shal not be denyed but feeding upon sand gravel stones c. will prove deadly and destructive to the body even as the drinking in of the lifeless poysonous opinions of Quakers will prove hurtful and destructive to the soul SECT V. Quakers have learned their Language about the Scriptures from Papists Now any may perceive a Popish designe in all the Quakers reasonings against the Scriptures for both Papists and they joyne in studing to disgrace them Herein they very much resemble one another Ye may hear how Quakers lisp after the Papists and concurre with them in speaking the language of Ashdod Do not Papists call the Scriptures Do not Quakers say of them 1. A nose of wax or a rule of lead which may be bowed every way as men please If the delusion be strong in the heart will it not twine the Scriptures without to cause the scriptures to seem for it 2. Papists call the Scriptures inky Divinity paper and parchment Quakers speake of the Scriptures as a dead letter 3. Papists blaime the Scriptures the reading of them by the Laity as that which causeth controversies multiplyeth both Heresies and Sects Quakers say ye that set up the Scriptures as a rule what Sects what jangling and contesting is among you 4. Papists preferre the Church before the Scripture Quakers prefer the light within hence they say that it is by the inward dispensation that the outward dispensation of the Gospel is serviceable without which it hath no service at all 5. Papists contemne and vilify the Scriptures Quakers will not have the Scriptures to be so much as a copy to thē but the Spirit is both their teacher and their copy and if they walk according to this by looking upon it and eyeing it they shal be good scholars and proficients they need not go forth for a copy 6. Papists say the church was judge before the Scriptures were written Quakers say there was a rule before the Scriptures were written 7. Papists deny the Scriptures to be the principal compleat rule of faith And Quakers do the same So true is that of Tertullian CHRIST is alwayes crucified between two theives He denyeth That that more sure word of prophesie 2. Pet. 1.19 is the scripture Answer Had it not been meet not onely to have denyed this but
do was to administer the outward Element but Christ could give the spirit by means of the outward Baptism so that Iohn here depresseth himself advanceth Christ it being Christ alone who bestoweth what the outward Baptism signifieth I indeed have baptized you with water but he shal baptize you with the Holy Ghost He saith they agree not in the end for the end of Iohns Baptism was but to point and shew forth the other as the end of the shadow is to point to the substance Ans The Scripture speaking of Iohns Baptism calleth it the Baptism of repentance for the remission of sins Mark 1.4 intimating that its end was to signify and seale remission of sin which likewise is the end of Christs Baptism Act. 2.38 Now Iohns Baptism and Christs agreeing not onely in the Authour but also in the matter and end this proveth thar there is no substantial difference between them Object They differ in substance for it is written Act. 19 2.3.4.5 that there were of the Baptism of Iohn who had not so much as heard of the Holy Ghost Answer The meaning is not that they heard not of the person of the Holy Ghost being Disciples and Believers they could not be totally ignorant of this doubtless they were acquainted with the Scriptures and from thence they could not but know that there was a Holy Ghost But the thing they were ignorant of was the visible miraculous and extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost which then flourished in the Church and yet were not common to all that were Baptized Act. 8.15.16 they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Ghost for as yet he was fallen upon none of them onely they were baptized in the Name of the LORD JESUS The Apostle did not anew baptize those persons that had been baptized with the Baptism of Iohn onely he gave a right explanation of Iohns Baptism and then laid hands on them upon which followed the gifts of the Holy Ghost viz speaking with tongues and prophesying verse 6. SECT II. Shewing that Baptism with Water is an Ordinance of CHRIST and to be continued in the Church He addeth That where Christ commands his Disciples to baptize Matth. 28. there is no command to baptize with water Answ The subsequent practise of the Apostles may satisfy sober persons that Christs command had reference to baptizing with water Can there be a better comment upon the command then Apostolical practise And it is observable that when Philip had preacht Christ to the Eunuch and it would seeme had informed him of the ordinance of Baptism however it is sure the knowledge of it he had immediatly upon the sight of water he desired to be baptized Act. 8.37 see here is water what doth hinder me to be baptized And that command of Christs Matth. 28. to his Apostles as it doth not expresly speake of Baptism with water so neither of Baptism with the spirit and therefore if the Quaker exclude the one he may likewise exclude the other Object It is said baptize into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost and this is Baptism with the spirit Answ This is affirmed but without proof The Name of GOD hath various acceptations and how doth he make good that it is taken here in his sense and not any other way If by baptizing into the Name of GOD he meane regenerating of men making them just and holy like GOD Then I say this was commanded before when our Lord said go teach or disciple all nations doth not this imply an endeavour to make them holy and righteous And therefore if Baptizing them into the Name of GOD import the same thing this would inferre a needless tautology in the command of Christ which the GOD of wisdom will not owne in so short a summe of words He addeth page 50. That Peters words in baptizing Cornelius after he had received the spirit imply no command Ans Is it not totidem verbis in plaine terms said he commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the LORD Act 10.48 and the Scripture phrase of doing a thing in the Name of the LORD is as much as doing it at his command and by authority and warrand from him Matth. 18.20 Where two or three are gathered together in my Name that is in obedience to my command there am I in the midst of them Object That the Apostles received no commission to baptize with water is clear from that of Paul where he saith I thank GOD I baptized none of you but Crispus and Gaius and the houshold of Stephanus for I was not sent to baptize but to preach the Gospel 1. Cor. 1. Answer If the Apostle had no commission to baptize with water how was it then that he thus baptized some He would not have done this of his own head and self-will Paul should have sinned in baptizing any at all without commission and therefore we gather that he was sent indeed to Baptize but his principal mission was to Preach and this is not an adding to Scripture but the true meaning of it which will be further cleare by comparing it with Hos 6.6 for I desired mercy and not sacrifice Now it is certaine that sacrifice was a thing that GOD required but mercy was the principal thing it was not so much sacrifice as mercy that GOD called for Even so Christ sent Paul not so much to Baptize as to Preach he sent him principally to Preach as being a more principal work The Quakers instance about worshipping of Images is altogether impertinent the Religious worshipping of them more or less is absolutly forbidden But Paul had not such an absolute prohibition as to baptizing with water otherwise he had not adventured upon the baptizing of any He saith That Scripture Matth. 28.19 relateth to the Baptism of the Spirit and not to Baptism with Water Arsw Because this is the maine Scripture that the continuance of VVater Baptism is grounded upon it will be needful to clear that by Baptism here is intended not the Baptism of the spirit but Baptism with water For making out of which two things are to be remarked 1. That the Baptism here mentioned is held forth to be the action of the Apostles hence Christ said to them go and teach all Nations Baptizing them Now to baptize with the Spirit is spoken of as the peculiar action of Christ to ascribe to men a power of Baptizing with the Spirit is to attribute to them what is peculiar to Christ Matth. 3.11 he that cometh after me is mightyer then I he shal baptize with the Holy Ghost 2. The Baptism of the spirit is a sanctifying renewing operation of the spirit in and upon the heart Now if this Baptism were here intended then the duty commanded should be confounded with the promise for the promise is I will be with you that is by the assistance presence and powerful operation of my spirit accompanying your labours making them effectual upon
their statliness and pride He denyeth that the Apostle 1. Cor. 11. recommended the practise of this ordinance by way of command Answer What clearer command can there be then that verse 28. let a man examine himself and so let him eate of that bread and drink of that cup. Mark the Apostle doth not onely hold forth that they were or might be in the use of this ordinance but that they ought and should be in the use of it plainly enjoyning this by way of precept withal discovering the necessity of previous examination before their partaking of this so solemne an ordinance It is further to be observed that the Corinthians were to be often in the use of this ordinance as oft as ye eate this bread and drink this cup. Now these ordinances which were abolished by the coming of Christ and yet for a season were practised they were nor often used by the Apostles and primitive Christians Let me clear this by instancing in circumcision which is the instance very much talked of by Quakers we read indeed that Paul circumcised Timothy but whom other did he circumcise He refused to circumcise Titus Gal. 2.3 and the reason of Timothies circumcision was to prevent the scandal of weak brethren Act. 16.3 Now where doth the Apostle when he warrands Christians to be often in the use of this ordinance of the Supper give this as a reason Namely that it was for the sake of the weak who could nor suddainly be weaned from it let the Quaker shew this from Scripture if he can The Apostle had a higher rise he saw divine authority stampt upon this Ordinance that saith he which I received of the Lord have I delivered unto you 1. Cor. 11.23 SECT I. The Ordinance of the SVPPER is not abolished but to be continued till the coming of CHRIST Page 54. He letteth of his great gun smal shot will not serve his turne thinking to give this Ordinance deadly wound But really he maketh a noyse without doing the least spoyle Let us examine the Scripture which he brings for the abolishing and ending of the LORDS SUPPER it is 1. Cor. 10.15.16.17 I speake as unto wise men judge ye what I say the bread which we break is it not the communion of the Body of Christ Then saith he the Apostle proceeds to shew what that bread was for we being many are one bread and one body for we are partakers of that one bread Answer There is not a word here concerning the abolishing of the the Lords Supper This Scripture affords a notable argument to promote union and onness among the professing people of GOD The drift of it being to shew that as many graines of Wheat make up one loaf so many members make up one Body of Christ and partaking of that one bread thereby they profess union in love towards one another He asketh What is that one Bread is it the outward or the inward Ans It is both the outward and the inward and yet it is but one Bread in regard of the Sacramental union which if between the signe and the thing signified and by vertue of this union the signe sometimes gets the name of the thing signified as when Christ took the bread saying this is my Body Now by this answer our intent onely is to shew how truely the bread may be called one bread and that this ordinance is to be continued we shal prove another way and therefore it is a pitiful evasion for him to say that we might as well plead for the continuance of all the sacrifices and offerings c. Any one may see a non sequitur in his reasoning He addeth page 55. That the Apostles and primitive Christians who had a large measure of the spirit did use this ordinance but it was not by necessity of command Answer It cannot be denyed but once there was a command to be in the use of this ordinance Christ said do this in rememberance of me Now there is no repeale of this command neither in express terms nor by due consequence from scripture unless he can make a formal or virtual appeal hereof to appear we have reason to think that the primitive Christians set about this ordinance by vertue of a command and that still we are obliged to do the same He addeth That we have no ground to say that Christ enjoyns the observance of this ordinance till his outward coming so many hundred years after Answer The Scripture is plaine that the duration and continuance of this ordinance must be till Christ come 1. Cor. 11.26 Now this coming of Christ is not to be understood of an internal coming in a spiritual inward way of appearance in the hearts of his people We deny not but Christ promised thus to come to them and hath made his promise good by a plentiful infusion of the graces of his spirit into their hearts after this manner he came to the Corinthians who were called to be Saints 1. Cor. 11.2 and had the Spirit of GOD dwelling in them 1. Cor. 3.16 and were washed justified sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1. Cor. 11.6 and enriched in all knowledge 1. Cor. 1.5 But notwithstanding this inward coming they continued in the practise of this ordinance and that as hath been cleared necessitate praecepti in regard of a command and therefore that coming untill which this ordinance must be continued what other can it be but even Christs coming to judgement Spoken of by the Angel at his alcention when he shal come in like maner as he was seen go to Heaven Act. 1.11 Now surely Quakers must needs be great enemies to their own souls who oppose this ordinance which the primitive Saints who had the substance more then any of them conscientiously practised and the Lord expresly commanded and plainly intimats his mind that it should be perpetuated for the good and benefit of his Church until his second coming to judge the World It is meeter to pass by the Gentle-mans empty words which fill up page 56. then to make a repetition of or any reply unto them Onely it is to be considered that the difference between Quakers and us is not about the qualification of persons who should be admitted to the Lords Supper but they rase the very ordinance it self HEAD XII Concerning the MINISTRY SECT I. Quakers are against a Mediate Call to the MINISTRIE And an immediate Call they have not He addeth page 57. That it cannot be asserted in opposition to Quakers who grant the same that the Ministry of the word is an ordinance of Christ Ans In the Dialogue I pointed at a Ministry mediatly called and are Quakers for a mediate call to the Ministry At when men are set a part and ordained to that Office by fasting prayer and laying on of hands It this be their mind why do they speak against those who are thus ordained As not being the Ministers of Christ but having their Ministry from men
such as are keept by the power of GOD it is through faith but as they abide not in that power through faith but wander from it they fall and cannot but fall Answer A goodly reply forsooth which is as if he had said if the Saints fall from faith they must fall and cannot but fall Remonstrants grant that a Believer quatalis as a Believer cannot fall away but qui talis est he that is a Believer may fall away Now the designe of that Scripture 1. Pet. 1.5 is to shew that there are two things concurring to prevent the Saints total and final fall namely faith and the power of GOD both work together to keep the Saints unto Salvation that Lord who gives faith unto his people helps them to persevere in it for he is not onely the authour but the finisher of their faith Heb. 12.2 In answering Ierem. 32.40 He saith it should be translated thus I will put my fear in their hearts that they may not depart from me Answer The words in the Hebrew are lebilti sur megnalai which will as well carry shal not as may not depart from me But granting that the words were translated according to his own desire yet they are full enough to prove the Saints perseverance the Lord putting his fear into them for this end GODS love will not suffer him to depart from the Saints and fear will not let them depart from GOD GOD principles their hearts with such a measure of his dread and fear as stayes them from an utter departur from him He maketh short work with these other Scriptures Ioh. 10.27.28 Ioh. 13.1.1 Ioh. 2.19 saying that they speak of those who were to come to a through regeneration Answer This is a bare affirmation without any proof There is no mention in the texts themselves of a through regeneration and if it be onely throughly regenerate or perfectly sanctified persons that shal persevere then perseverance is the priviledge onely of Saints in Heaven whose attainment this perfection is and not of Saints on earth who groan under their imperfections Now seeing that Saints who have true and saving grace are the Regeneat Children of GOD when by faith they receive Christ GOD ownes them for his children and they are truely regenerat Gal. 3.26 Ioh. 1.12.13 On the other hand graceless persons are branded as being the children of the Devil Ioh. 8.44 Is it not then manifest that to mantain the total and final Apostasy of the Saints from grace will inferre that they who are the children of GOD by true regeneration this day may the next day become the children of the Devil Because the grace that they have now they may utterly lose it erre to morrow He asketh whether I look upon the Quakers as having fallen away Answer His book containing nor onely his privat sentiments but the common opinions of Quakers is a sufficient proof that they have apostatized and fallen from the truth and such of them as have felt a gracious operation on their hearts but in this houre of temptation are under a sad snare I trust the Lord will convince them and grant them repentance to the acknowledgement of the truth that by their rysing againe they may edify and rejoice those Souls whom they have wounded and stumbled by their fall HEAD XVI Concerning the hazard and danger of Quakerism SECT I. It tends to the neglect of that Worship which is due to GOD. He saith page 67. That they deny not true worship but onely our Idolatrous worship Answer If our Worship were Idolatrous they had reason to deny it but it is unreasonable to call our Worship Idolatrous when they have not a shadow of reason to prove it to be so unless the Gentle-man think that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Quakers naked affirmation is a sufficient reason Now it is manifest that Quakers refuse GOD the worship which is due to him in the use of the creatures in that they can and do adventure to use these without seeking GODS Blessing upon them which hath been by former Saints accounted a profane custome utterly unfit to be heard of among Christians professing the knowledge and fear of GOD Are we not commanded to eat and drink to the glory of GOD 1. Cor. 10.31 And must we not then look up to GOD and desire his help to improve the creatures to his glory Besids the creatures of themselves cannot nourish us if GOD deny his blessing our eating and drinking can do us no good and therefore we have need to address our selves to GOD by prayer for by this means the blessing is obtained and the creatures come to be sanctified to us 1. Tim. 4.4 Object To receive the benefits and gifts of GOD with thanksgiving and to witness it sanctified to us by the word and prayer is owned by us Answer Do Quakers witness the creatures sanctified to them by prayer when yet they do not pray for the sanctified use of them Pray observe the way that Christ tooke his example is worth our imitation at the receiving of the creatures he lookt up to Heaven for a blessing Mark 6.14 and gave thanks Matth. 15.36 and this appeares to have been his ordinary practise he was knowne of his Disciples in breaking bread it being his ordinary manner to bless the bread in some special way which he break whereby he was discerned and differenced from others Luk. 24.30.31 Object It is usual among us when we sit down to waite upon the Lord for sometime that we may know our selves stated in his fear and as there we stand outward expressions may be uttered by us Answer When they are not thus stated in GODS fear yet they have liberty and freedom to fall to meat so it would seeme though they will not pray without fear yet they can eate without fear which is the character of wicked persons Jude verse 12. As for their waiting its but an engine to overthrow Scripture precepts seeing it hath reference to a new inward command without which they do not hold themselves obliged to express their desire in words but as they are thus required of them He addeth page 68. That to say that a man cannot nor ought not to pray without an impulse the spirits drawing and motion hath no bad tendency because all such prayers as are performed without the help of the spirit are abomination not true prayers but hypocritical and deceitful Answer We grant these things First That the spirit teacheth and helpeth the Saints to pray sometimes they are so stirred and moved to prayer that they cannot be at quiet but they must to some secret corner and there poure out their complaints before the LORD Gal. 4.6 Secondly That the season when the spirit moveth to duty should be laid hold on Psal 27.8 when thou saidst seek ye my face my heart said unto thee thy face I will seek Thirdly When the spirit moveth the wâ—ek is sweetest then the Christian is cheerful in the exercise
of duty The joy that is in a little hearty praying is beyond all the joyes that the world can afford Isaiah 56.7 Fourthly Persons cannot pray aright without the spirit and therefore the prayers of the wicked are said to be an abomination unto the Lord. Prov. 15.8 But it must be observed that though prayer without the spirit be an abomination to GOD yet omission of prayer is double abomination the reason is because to pray without the spirit is a sin for the manner but to neglect prayer is a sin both as to matter and manner He addeth whosoever can pray to the Lord indeed let him pray but that any can pray without the spirit that we deny Answer May he not according to this way of reasoning take men off from eating If they can eate to the glory of GOD indeed then let them eate but that they can eate to the glory of GOD without the spirit that 's denyed Likewise he may take men off from the works of their calling for as the praying so the plowing of the wicked is sin Prov. 21.4 A motion of the spirit is an encouragement to but it is not our alone warrant for prayer GOD in his word hath commanded prayer 1. Thess 5.17 pray without ceasing in obedience to this command we ought to set to the duty And if it be alledged that we should pray when we have the spirit without ceasing but not otherwise it may as well be said that children should honour their Parents and husbands love their wives when they have a motion of the spirit to it but in the absence of this motion they may omit these duties He asketh what ground I have to believe that some Quakers for the space of a whole yeare have not so much as once bowed a knee to call upon GOD in their families Answer There is too much ground for the belief of it their infrequency in family prayer is too palpable One of them confessed whom I forbear to name that now he was come to that pitch that he prayed alwayes and though heretofore he was wont to call his family together and pray with them yet he had not done so for a twelve moneth past Is this a lovly Religion which takes men off from family prayer It is a miserable shift to tell that friends of truth who have any whom they can joyne with do meet waite and pray together Now grant that persons in Quakers families were enemies to truth would it not be a work of charity and demonstration of love and tenderness to their souls to pray with them and for them Must not Abraham keep up Religion in his familie because an Ishmael was in it Nor David because of the presence of Absolom Page 69. He looketh upon me as one wholly unacquainted with the wayes and motions of the spirit for supposing that an impulse of the spirit may be denyed for many yeares Answer Is there not ground to suppose that men may turne loose negligent and defective in waiting even for several yeares If so then the motions of the spirit may be denyed to them which he acknowledges are frequent but to those that waite for them and therefore all that time that they who neglect to waite want the motions of the spirit they must not adventure upon prayer yea they must not pray though they were at the gates of death and in danger of present drowning It is true he conceives that at such a season the breathings of the spirit will not be wanting to the Saints but what shal the wicked do in this case Must they keep silent Shal it not be lawful for them to follow the advice which the Apostle gave to Simon Magus Act. 8.22 pray GOD if perhaps the thoughts of thy heart may be forgiven thee The Quakers principle is that men should not pray without a motion of the spirit Now suppose that persons contract guilt by their not waiting hereby provoking the Lord to withhold the motions of his Spirit from them then these motions being with-held their not praying is not sin and therefore they need not to be troubled for their omission of prayer Now doth not this tend to lull people asleep in security and to keep them from charging themselves with that sin which without repentance GOD will charge upon them for he will call sinners to an account for their omissions as well as for their commissions SECT II. Quakerisme tends to render Mortification of sin useless He asketh page 70. Whether mortification of sin be useless where the end of it which is perfection is attained Answer There is a twofold perfection namely comparative and absolute the Apostle speaketh of both these kinds of perfection Philipp 3. and denyeth to himself an absolute compleate perfection verse 12. not as though I had already attained either were already perfect Yet he out-stripped many others in holiness and so had a comparative perfection verse 13. let us therefore as many as be perfect be thus minded Now when there is an absolute compleate perfection which is the thing the Quaker pleads for without the least indwelling corruption and sin to such there is no use for mortification Persons need not to be taken up in killing sin which is the importance of the word mortifie that have not sin in them to be killed He quarrels at my saying the opinion of a sinless perfection in this life wounds the very vitals of Religion and here the Quaker triumphs but it is before the victory Asking Whether the vitals of Religion consist in sinning or not sinning Answer The vitals of Religion consist in the means appointed by GOD and diligent improvment thereof for subduing and bearing down sin such as prayer repentance mortification believing application of the Blood of Christ And though the Quakers grant that these things are needful for attaining unto perfection yet supposing a sinles perfection to be actually attained unto by men in this world what need is there then to pray for pardon of sin to repent of sin apply Christs blood for cleansing from sin Seeing there is no sin to be pardoned repented of or cleansed from And therefore the Gentle-man not denying that such consequences do flow from his principle he is faine to shift saying that they who come to perfection witness the true use of these things but in the meane time he should remember that under a pretence of perfection he takes them off from the practise and use of the aforementioned duties and means and so Christianity in the vitals of it is struck at He accuses me of confusion and contradiction because as he saith I would inferre a sinless man to be a sinning man Answer Is it either confusion or a contradiction to affirme one of the Quakers conceitedly sinless men to be sinful who pretending to be without sin yet discover much sin by their pride passion bitterness censuring and condemning others and vilifying them by opprobrious termes and railing accusations if such
the hearts of people so that understanding the words of the Baptism of the spirit there should be a confounding of the duty commanded with the mercy and blessing promised therfore the Baptism which Christ coÌ„manded is Baptism with Water as is verified by the Apostles practise which is to continue as the Preaching of the word unto the end of the world Page 51. He undertaketh to elude the Scriptures cited by me as holding forth the excellent end and uses of Baptism the first was Act. 2.28 To this he saith that here is no mention of outward water Ans Neither is there mention of outward water 1 Cor. 1.16.17 and yet be grants that baptizing there hath reference to water 2. He saith that repentance and remission of sins may be and are found without water Baptism Ans Therefore Baptism with water is not absolutly necessary to salvation which we readily yeeld 3. He saith where Baptism with water is both these are frequently wanting Answ Ergo the Papists are in an errour who affirme that Baptism doth ex opere operato conferre grace Second Scripture is 1. Pet. 3.21 To this he saith that the words following clear the meaning not to be water Baptism not the putting away of the filth of the flesh Answ These words do indeed manifest that Baptism of it self is not available unto salvation and so the Popish opus operatum is struck at as if by the meer receiving of Baptism grace were conveyed The like may be said to what he alledges in answering the other Scriptures viz. Act. 22.6 Ephes 5.26 Gal. 3.7 in all which he proceedeth upon a wrong supposition as if we thought that Baptism of it self or by any force of the outward element of water were effectual to cleanse the soul and to work grace and regeneration Now this is far from our thoughts who make the efficacy of it to be onely the power and operation of the Holy Ghost accompanying the ordinance in the right use of it He addeth that Baptism with water is but a figure which was to give place to that one Baptism Epes 4.5 Answer This one Baptism was the Baptism which Christ commanded and it hath been cleared that this Baptism was Baptism with water so that that one Baptism cannot be called the substance and Baptism with water the shadow seeing they are the same thing and therefore it remaineth that baptism with water is an ordinance of Christ and the Lord concurring with it a profitable meane to further our Salvation And whereas he reflects upon our baptizing of Infants and the manner â—f it it must be adverted that the quarrel betwixt Quakers and us is not whether Baptism belong to Infants or whether it should be by sprinkling or dipping but they are against all Baptism with water even of adult persons not allowing this so much as the name of an ordinance of JESUS CHRIST XI HEAD Concerning the LORDS Supper He granteth page 52. that Christ was the Authour of the Lords Supper and that the Disciples were enjoyned the observance of it but he saith this provss not that it was to be of perpetual continuance Answ Hereby is proved all that was intended namely that the ordinance of the Supper hath Christ for the Instituter of it and therefore it is called the Lords Table 1. Cor. 10.21 and the Lords Supper 1. Cor. 11.20 Why then doth the Quaker vilify this Ordinance by speaking of it with that addition the Lords Supper so called cannot he find in his heart to give it that name which the Scripture giveth it He saith That by breaking bread Act. 2.42 is meant their ordinary eating Answer The eating there is not ordinary but Sacramental eating which usually is expressed by this phrase of breaking bread a part being taken for the whole Act. 20.7 1. Cor. 10.16 Neither doth Act. 2.46 make it evident that their breaking of bread was their ordinary eating This text speaketh not of dayly eating but of continuing daily in the Temple And though they did eat from house to house yet the Syriak expoundeth it expresly of the Eucharist and it is thought that the Faithful abode sometimes in one house and sometimes in another for fear of persecution It seemeth the Gentle-man knoweth not well the way of PROTESTANT CHURCHES who thinketh that their Sacramental eating is but once or twice in a year they plead that it should be often and the practise of some is answerable in that they communicate once in a fortnight and others once every moneth And albeit we do not go to this ordinance to make a full meale for our bodies liberal feeding of them at such a time would make the better part to be neglected yet as much is made use of as serveth to represent the Spiritual nourishment of Believers by Jesus Christ and more is not requisite He addeth page 53. That the eating mentioned Act. 2.46 is conjoyned with this that they sold their possessions and if we make the Apostles example and practise our rule why do we not sell our possessions as they did Answer We hold not our selves bound to follow the Saints and Apostles in every thing all their practises are not to be imitated by us And therefore we distinguish their practises some of them were accidental or occasional being occasioned by the special necessity of times and seasons these are not alwayes binding but onely when cases and seasons are alike and of this nature was their selling of their possessions Then some of their actions were upon such grounds as are of perpetual and common concernment to one Church as well a another to one Age as well as another and these actions are still obligatory thus we ought to follow them in breaking bread or in the ordinance of the Supper because this concerns the Churches of Christ in this Age as well as in their Age seeing the Lord left it as a standing and lasting monument of his love to continue untill his coming againe in the clouds as shal be made good in due time He asketh Why we do not abstaine from eating blood and things strangled as they did Answer The command in reference to these things was but temporary and there is a plaine repeale of it in that Christian liberty is extended to whatsoever is sold in the shambles of that saith the Apostle eate making no question for conscience sake 1 Cor. 10.25 He asketh againe Why we do not wash one anothers feet which they were as solemnly commanded to do as to take and eate Ioh. 13.14 Answer How is it then that we do not read in all the Scriptures that ever the Disciples practised this thing They continued in breaking bread but where is there mention of their washing the feet of one another The great designe of this command was to teach the Apostles humility and love and mutually to condescend for one anothers good even to the meanest and lowest services our Lord and Masters patern of humility should make fellow servants ashamed of