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A33355 One blow more at the Saducees and gross antichristian errors containing a brief narrative of the most material things that passed in discourse at Kings-Heath-Meeting the 4th of October 1696 betwixt Thomas Curtis, an antient preacher among the Quakers and me, William Clarke, one that belonged to that meeting. Clarke, William, Quaker.; Richardson, John, 1667-1753. 1697 (1697) Wing C4568A; ESTC R26480 7,089 10

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One Blow More AT THE SADDUCEES AND Gross Antichristian Errors CONTAINING A Brief Narrative of the most Material Things that passed in Discourse at Kings-Heath-Meeting the 4th of October 1696. betwixt Thomas Curtis an Antient Preacher among the Quakers and me William Clarke one that belonged to that Meeting THomas Curtis in his Preaching spoke much of God being a Spirit and that Christ had a prepared Body and that the Virgin was overshadowed with the Holy Ghost and he said He must be careful what he did say for said he some have charged me with false Doctrine And he said Christ was not called by that Name till he was Born of the Virgin and he was again Glorified with the same Glory he had with the Father before the World began and for that Body he did not know what was become of it Neither do I care said he now where it is but said what may be known of God is manifest within and this said he is plain Scripture for said he I know nothing of Christ but within my self Then he told the People William Clarke had charged him with false Charges in a Letter and said William Clarke Stand up and speak if thou hast any thing to say Upon which I stood up and said Thomas Curtis Thou hast done the unfairest thing I ever saw done in my Life thou I suppose hast a mind to pick a Quarrel if thou hadst acquainted me with what thou didst intend to do publickly I would would have had a Copy of my Letter here for thou statest my Letter false Said he I thank God I have thy Letter in my Pocket and do intend to read it to the People To which I assented and I proffered him several times to read it for him which he refused and said He might be served as if he were at the Spanish Inquisition So he begins to read but so false that it is a shame to think a Man professing Religion should be so foul And when he had read two or three Lines preacht upon it Then I urged him to read it over again it may be two or three times before he would read it right one place in my Letter where I say Christ was like unto us in all things Sin excepted and he would read so far as Like unto us in all things and he would leave out Sin excepted and upon that he would Preach a long while and when he found I would not suffer him to read false he would have read no more of the Letter but I told him he should read it all and then he went on after his old way to read false and then to Preaching a long time and then I would have him read what he left out for I could remember my Letter though he would not let me so much as look in it and at this rate he went on Reading and Preaching for near two Hours it held at this rate and he would not read all do what I could and he would not suffer me to speak but as little as possible yet I spoke more then he was willing notwithstanding he challenged me to stand up yet he would not have suffered me to have spoke ten words if he could have hindred me and it would have been hard to have thought such a thing of T. C. if I had not heard him I told him I would stand by every Word in my Letter and John Richardson stood up against his false Doctrine though he spoke not much yet it was of good Service I asked T. C. Whether he did believe Christ was in Heaven in the intire Nature of Man of Soul and Body the same for Substance he had on Earth glorified at God's right hand and his Answer was Here is one of his Quibbles But I urged him again to answer and then he said He did not know what was become of his Body Neither said he will I give thee any Answer Then I appealed to the People that they might see how he would not own his Manhood c. Then when he comes to the place where I had charged him with denying the Resurrection of the Body there he publickly owned no other Resurrection but the Resurrection of the Soul from the Death of Sin and then I got him to confess that a Man might fall away after he had attained to some such Resurrection Then he said Paul had got all his Resurrection while here in this World and he said when I asked him when was that change of the Body to be mentioned in the third of Philip he answered and said His Body should be changed while living here in this World like unto Christ's glorious Body And when I put him to that Paragraph in my Letter where I cited the third of Philip then he spoke what was mentioned before and a great deal of that pernicious Doctrine and where he was charged in my Letter with his saying that the Blood let out of Christ's side with the Spear was not of value unto us but his inward appearance which he absolutely denyed and I maintained it then he said He did believe every drop of Blood and Water let out of his side was sufficient to save the whole World Then I told him it was more then I could bring him to confess before then I asked him whether he had the whole Christ in him because he said but a little before he knew nothing of Christ but in himself and then he said I would catch him as if every Man had a Christ but said he I know none but in me Then I asked him Whether Christ had a Soul he said he did not know and this was all I could get from him as an Answer to this as he had but just before preached he was blamed by all except a drunken Man that was there I being first challenged to stand up to speak he would use all his endeavour to hinder me and then at last told us He had paid the Rent for the Barn but he said he would pay it no longer than Michaelmas-Day past And when he came to read that Query in my Letter where I queried of him whether it was the Manhood that suffered or the Godhead This he would have passed by and not have read it but I pressed him so hard he could not but read it to which I desired him to answer me before the People and he said plainly before the Auditors He could not tell whether it was the Godhead or Manhood that suffered Ah gross Ignorance and Darkness neither could I make him own from first to last Christ being in Heaven without us in the intire nature of Man or any thing like it Then I asked him whether the Light within was the Blood of Christ Here is another of his Quibbles said he I will not answer thee When I asked him that Question whether he did believe Christ is in Heaven in the intire Nature of Man as to Soul and Body the same for Substance he had on