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A32898 An old apostate justly exposed his treachery to the Holy God, his truth and people manifested, his great wickedness and uncleanness (which, by false covers, he has endeavoured to hide) laid open to the shame of him, and all his abettors : in a short answer, or some brief remarks, upon a very scandalous book lately published, stiled, The spirit of Quakerism, and the danger of their divine revelation laid open, subscribed, Henry Winder : also the nameless publisher therof, as justly reprehended for his enmity and great malice, in abusing an innocent people, by heaps of most gross lies, slanders, base insinuations and inferences, frothy and scurrilous scoffs and taunts, so void of Christianity, that probably no man, with a name, would undertake / by Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1698 (1698) Wing C396; ESTC R21826 31,372 63

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But that all Men as well as those called Quakers are as Men liable to err if they forsake the Conduct of that Eternal Uunchangeable Uunerring Spirit of Truth which leads into all Truth and is able to preserve out of all Error which these Men our Opposers slights and reviles 3. Cursed pretence to Divine Inspiration the strongest Hold of the Devil Answ Let him keep his cursed Pretence to himself Divine Inspiration we experience the Inspiration of the Almighty with the Effects thereof blessed be God according to Scripture To call which the strongest Hold of the Devil is not only a Lye but Blasphemy 4. Who knew all this Story 23 Years ago and should have disclaimed the Actors but did not c. Answ All the Story of H. W's as in his Book was never known before written nor could be because many things therein inserted were not true being Stuff added to amuse the Reader and abuse the Quakers It 's evident before that what was to be disclaimed was then done and in Testimony thereof tho' it discover his Enmity and Contradictions he has made some Acknowledgment in Page 24. viz. Some Friends who at the first Assizes persuaded the Women to do him Right by Confessing c. Next I shall repeat a whole heap of Lyes and Slanders which as he says he takes out of what he calls A further Essay by a learned peaceable compassionate Friend of ours wherein he saith He proves c. But I say Is not yet proved nor can be 5. From their many Impertinences and Nonsence in their Books which cannot without Blasphemy be attributed to the Holy Spirit 6. From the many flat Contradictions of one inspired Pretender unto another especially their Women 7. Their scurrilous Railing at their best Opposers 8. Their apparent Contradictions to plain Scripture 9. Miserable Perversions and gross Misinterpretations of Scripture 10. Their Noval Opinions not heard of before in the Church of Christ 11. The allowed Novelty of their Sect having no pretence to Succession 12. Their many Doctrines calculated to serve Popery instanced in Nine Heads of Doctrine wherein they agree with Papists against Scripture 13. Notorious Possessions and Witchcrafts 14. Many gross Blasphemies uttered by those so Inspired 15. VVallowing in gross unnatural Sins 16. VVild Attempts of long Fasting and Miracles 17. Contradiction to all other good Christians All which before-said I take out of less than two Leaves of the Preface to the Book aforesaid enough if there were no more for this nameless Publisher and him he calls our Learned Peaceable Compassionate Friend turning them all back as gross Lyes and impudent Slanders For which he that sits in Heaven will rebuke them And tho' the Publisher have Rabshacah like opened his Mouth wide against the Lord and his innocent People yet I shall in the Name and on Behalf of that People tell him his evil Design will be frustrated and his Eyes grow dim and Heart fail before he can ever prove what he hath wrongfully charged And I shall farther Answer them in the Words of Israel's God through his Servant Isaiah Chap. 37. Ver. 22 23. viz. This is the word which the Lord hath spoken concerning him The Virgin the Daughter of Zion hath despised thee and laughed thee to scorn the Daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head against thee Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed And against whom hast thou exalted thy Voice and lifted up thine Eyes on high Even against the Holy One of Israel 18. In Page 23. A strange Story this is Reader indeed and beyond the Power even of Quakers Impudency to deny since it was so long transacting so many Friends concerned in it c. Answ I say it is the Publisher's Impudency to cast upon the Quakers and a great Lye to say so many Friends were concerned it 19. In Page 28. What think of you these dear Sisters true Quakers they were and owned as such to the last Answ I say It 's not only a filthy Taunt but a shameful Lye 20. In Page 28. How many Christ's and Saviours will this People at length produce 21. In the same Page mentioning the Terms and Way of his meaning Christ's saving viz. They must value his Blood and submit to the Rule of his Word But the Quakers saith he like not such Terms therefore will have a Second meaning Christ or a Saviour 22. In same Page he saith Now shall we marvel that Quakers offer us a new Creed or Christianity and scorn our old Bible 23. Again in the same Page When their Spirit says we must have a Second Saviour a Carnal One too and who is within none but a single VVoman 24. Again in the same Page he saith VVas a fit Brother for their Christ within c. 25. In the same 28th Page he saith Is this all No we have more Christs among them c. See now Reader what heaps of Lyes this obscure railing Man belcheth forth to his shame And tho' he hide himself from Men by concealing his Name the Righteous God will find him out to Reward him according to his Works I deny them all as impudent Lyes But to proceed 26. In Page 32 he saith Then your Spirit Fancy or Flatus is your Supreme Rule c. Answ I say A horrid Lye and Slander That Spirit which leads into all Truth is that which we have always owned to be our Supreme Rule which if he had been led by would not have uttered so many Lyes and Slanders which manifests him to be of his Father the Devil who was a Lyer from the beginning 27. In Page 34 he faith So G. F. had the Humility to receive Adoration and VVorship c. Which I say is also another of his gross Lyes upon the Dead 28. In Page 35 he faith VVill G. F. deny it VVho declared himself equal with God and received VVorship c. I say It 's also another impudent Lye cast upon the Dead Let him prove what he charges 29. Again in same Page he saith As their meaning the Quakers Infallibility consists with Lyes and Self-Contradiction so can their Perfection stand with most abominable VVickedness c. Answ I say His Slander herein is abominable The Infallibility of the Eternal Spirit of Truth admits of no Lye nor Contradiction neither can abominable Wickedness stand with the Perfection that is the Product or Work of the Holy Ghost or Spirit in all true Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ And we cannot but bear Testimony against abominable Wickedness and all such as wallow therein as H. W. and other Apostates which makes them and this their obscure Publisher so grievous Angry to load us with so many Calumnies 30. In Page 37 he saith That Jesus descibed in Scripture was to seal up Vision and Prophecy Dan 9.24 Or to give such perfect discovery of God's Counsel and Will to the World that the Spirits extraordinary Gifts of Illumination should be no more necessary nor continued But the Quakers by
AN Old APOSTATE Justly Exposed His Treachery to the Holy God his Truth and People MANIFESTED His great Wickedness and Uncleanness which by False Covers he has Endeavoured to hide laid open to the Shame of him and all his Abettors In a short Answer or some Brief Remarks upon a very Scandalous Book lately Published Stiled The Spirit of Quakerism and the Danger of their Divine Revelation laid open Subscribed Henry Winder ALSO The Nameless Publisher thereof as justly Reprehended for his Enmity and great Malice in Abusing an Innocent People by heaps of most Gross Lies Slanders Base Insinuations and Inferences Frothy and Scurrilous Scoffs and Taunts so void of Christianity that probably no Man with a Name would Undertake By THOMAS CAMM London Printed and Sold by T. Sowle next Door to the Meeting-house in White-Hart-Court in Gracious-street and at the Bible in Leaden-hall-street near the Market 1698. The Dog is turned to his own vomit again and the Sow that was washed to her wallowing in the Mire 2. Pet. 2.22 They went out from us but they were not of us c. John 2.19 Raging Waves of the Sea foaming out their own Shame c. Jude 13. Behold he Travelleth with Iniquity and hath conceived Mischief and brought forth Falshood he made a Pit and digged it and is fallen into the Ditch which he made his Mischief shall return upon his own Head and his Violent Dealing shall come down upon his own Pate Psal 7.14 15 16. THE PREFACE TO THE Impartial Reader IF thou hast Seen or Read a Book lately Published Stiled The Spirit of Quakerism and the Danger of their Divine Revelation laid open Subscribed Hen. Winder then be pleased to suspend giving Judgment upon the Matter thereof until thou hast Read and duly Considered the Contents of what follows being a short Answer or some brief Remarks upon the most material Passages in that Book Levelled against the Truth and those People commonly called Quakers Remember what the Wise Man saith viz. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him If thou judge that I have been close upon the Author and have exposed him to publick view consider that he has been the occasion And what is written in Holy Scripture must be fulfilled viz. The Wickedness of the Wicked must return upon his own Head and he that hides his Sins cannot Prosper I confess I was Astonished to see the Subscriber before named grown so Impudent Hard since I had some small knowledge of him many Years past while he seemed to be of us and before he fell into such gross Vncleanness And have seen yea having by me several of his Confessions and Acknowledgments not only of his great Sins and Transgressions but also to the Truth and Way thereof and that the Quakers are the People that walk therein I say I was Astonished to see the Man now grown so Seared as to give himself the Lie and appear in Print against the Truth and Innocent People thereof with that Inconsiderateness and Fury which manifests him to be one of them Evil Men who grows worse and worse and to have entertained again that Evil Spirit that was in some measure once cast out and with him seven times worse which makes his latter end much worse than his beginning I shall not take notice of all his long Narrative but such as chiefly Reflects upon the Truth and People of God called Quakers My Intent and Aim being to Vndeceive or Inform them who have believed his False Reports and Deceitful Slanderous Insinuations against the Truth and Principle thereof which we Profess As also to Detect his false Pretences in his going from Truth and Vs and deserting that Profession that once he made thereof with us by demonstrating the True Cause thereof neither shall I Justifie the Three Women in any thing wherein they missed the Line of Truth which to his Conscience is known we never owned them in though he would now being filled with Enmity Falsly Insinuate we did in order to Prejudice the Minds of People against that Way of Truth from which he is now fallen through Sin and Wickedness And for a Cover thereto as also to gratifie such amongst them with whom he is now joyned as Lusts to be Envious and whose Fingers Itches to be at their old Work of Persecution being angry at the Liberty we now through God's Great Mercy enjoy as to our Religious Duties from the present Government for which we desire ever to be Thankful in all Grateful Acknowledgments How aptly what follows doth answer to what is before proposed I leave to thee Impartial Reader to Judge Recommending thee to the Guidance of the Vnerring Spirit that gives a good Vnderstanding and Leads into all Truth And that thou and all Men might come under the Guidance and Government thereof is the Earnest Desire of him who wisheth Good to all Men. Thomas Camm AN Old Apostate Justly Exposed c. Hen. Winder WILL not thy own Back-sliding Correct thee and is it not a Dreadful Thing that thou should so far harden thy Heart against God and the Convictions of his Spirit in thy own Conscience for thy great and manifold Sins so as to grow as Evil Men always do worse and worse making Shipwrack of Faith and a Good Conscience being Seared as with an Hot Iron to the fulfilling the Testimony of Holy Scripture upon thee viz. Because Judgment from God has not been speedily Executed thy heart has been more set to do Evil Thy Book if it be thine as by thee Subscribed and as I hear in part owned to be so I have seen read and considered of and find thy Enmity great and thy said Book chiefly bent against the Truth and People called Quakers and to Expose an Innocent People to the Fury and Scorn of Malicious Men such as the nameless Publisher thereof For if thou had bent thy self only against those thou names as Injurers of thee since they missed in their Management in that they Charge thee with whether all true or not we leave to him who knows all things and is the Searcher of all Hearts yet I should not have concerned my self on this wise but finding that through their Sides thou endeavourest to strike at Truth against which thou cannot prevail and the Principle thereof born Testimony unto by those Innocent People called Quakers I proceed to take notice of thy Book as followeth First thy Title is The Spirit of Quakerism An old Nickname more beseeming one that had never born the name of a Quaker than thee that once did and to what follows viz. The danger of their Divine Revelation c. Divine Revelation the Quakers own it 's Scripture Doctrine without it none can come to the True and Saving Knowledge of the Only True God and his Son Jesus Christ whom he hath sent whom to know is Life Eternal For it 's the Testimony of Holy Scripture That no Man knows the Father
pretending constant Prophetical Revelation from him meaning Christ deny his Work aforesaid and that he has done his VVork deny that he is come or worse nay that he ever was to come or needs to come c. Answ What a Crotchet this Man has in his Head about the word Extraordinary I know not but that That Jesus described in Scripture was to seal up Vision and Prophecy or to give such perfect Discovery of God's Counsel and Will to the World by what is writeen in Holy Scripture That the Spirit 's Gifts of Illumination should be no more necessary nor continued is denied as Erroneous and that of Dan. 9.24 instanced to prove the same is no Proof thereof in the least without miserable wresting and misconstruing the same A thing he falsly chargeth upon the Quakers but declares his own Guilt therein And there is great necessity for the continued Help and Illumination of the Holy Spirit for without the Illumination thereof we can neither know God nor the things of God For as saith the Scripture the things of God know no Man but by his Spirit being that which searcheth into the revealeth the deep things of God and is given of God to lead into all Truth whom the World cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him But you know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you Read John 14 16 17. And it 's in and by the Illumination of this Spirit that Christ revealeth himself unto his Chosen and through which the true Believers in Christ are enabled to keep his Words Such the Father loveth and to such the Father and Son cometh in this Eternal Spirit and maketh their abode with Read also Verses 22 23. And that the Quakers deny the Work of Christ that he was to come did come or need to come or what is worse his false Insinuation amounts to a four-fold Lye and a great Slander And to make his Slander greater in what 's worse let him tell what 's worse if he can than what he has before falsly charged It seems his Mouth is full of bitter Stuff and such he vents without regard to Truth or Honesty being so drunken with Enmity to vomit out his own Shame and Filth yet perhaps looks upon himself safe in concealing his Name 31. And further in the Page last mentioned he will needs be either a Reviler or Deceiver in telling what the Quakers may be viz. It 's but saith he to consult their Light it will give Response like that cum fueris Romae c. Then enter Father Molenos all is done they may in a new Sense as their Inward Christ will not fail to tell them become all things to all Men as already in Habits and Gestures so might be Papists and Turks c. Answ How this Man who pretends great Reverence to Scripture and the Ministers of Christ Jesus Reflects upon both by his false and ungrounded Inferences For did not the Apostles become all Things to all Men Namely for the gaining of some to the Truth yet upon no occasion became either Papists or Turks Neither did the Apostles nor Christ within the Hope of Glory without which all are Reprobates ever give this Man's Response who more and more expresseth himself to be altogether regardless of Truth Honesty or fair Dealing But to proceed 32. In Page 38 he saith One most fatally intoxicating Notion I take to be that of the Saving Grace of God in all Men What could Men devise more proud and provoking to bring all God's Remedial Provisions into Contempt I can see nothing it saves unless they mean It saves them all Care and Pains in working out their Salvation for no People sleeps so secure as they without all Fear or Spiritual Conflict Answ Such a Graceless as well as Blasphemous Aspersion as none but a graceless Man or such an one as has turned from Grace into Wantonness and great Enmity having done despite to the Spirit of Grace with his Name to it will or dare to Assert being so positive a Contradiction to Holy Scripture Titus 2.12 13. For the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation hath appeared to all Men teaching Us the Believers and Obeyers thereof that denying all ungodliness and worldly Lusts we should live Soberly Righteously and Godlily in this present World Is this Advice proud and provoking to bring all God's Remedial Provisions to Contempt Let him take heed whom he provokes by such Blasphemies the Text saying It 's the Grace of God that bringeth to Salvation Then surely it's Saving being God's Grace by which the Saints were saved through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ for they said by Grace we are saved It taught them as aforesaid being that Grace coming by Jesus Christ the Saviour of all that are saved and appears within as it is of God because that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them Rom. 1.19 And who are taught by this Grace that appeareth unto all Men comes to Salvation being God's Gift through Jesus Christ the Saviour tho' too too many to whom it appears and is Inwardly revealed doth Despite thereto denies to be Taught thereby turns it into Wantonness becomes thereby vain in their Imaginations and their foolish Hearts come to be darkened frustrating on their behalfs the Merciful end of God on the account of the appearance of his Grace to them the same that otherwise is intended for their Salvation So that Man's Destruction is of himself but Help and Salvation only of the Lord who gives the appearance of this Grace unto all Men and Wills thereby the Salvation of all not the Death of any Sinner but rather that he should come to be taught by this Grace and be saved and live So that this Man manifests both his Pride and Provocation against God's Grace and the Divine Testimony thereto in the Holy Scripture as well as slighting the Teaching thereof and Ignorance of its blessed Work in calling it A fatally intoxicating Notion proud and provoking as aforesaid c. That he can see nothing it saves from except c. It 's not like he should see or know what it saves from who Blasphemes against it neither knows what Spiritual Conflicts they have who are taught by it nor the sufficiency thereof to support through them all as it was said of God to be to the Apostle Paul to wit My Grace is sufficient being thereby strengthened in the time of need But to proceed In the same Page last mentioned he goes on and calls what before he called One most fatally intoxicating Notion Now this one Anti-Scriptural Conceit Answ But how far he is wrong and abusive in this and how agreeable the Testimony we bear on behalf of the Grace of God is correspondent and agreeing with Divine Testimony I leave to the wise in Heart to judge He is resolved to abuse us tho' it will at last turn upon himself with Shame 33.