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A41784 Presumption no proof, or, Mr. Petto's arguments for infant-baptism considered and answered and infants interest in the convenant of grace without baptism asserted and maintained : whereunto is prefixed an answer to two questions propounded by Mr. Firmin about infants church-membership and baptism / by Thomas Grantham. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1687 (1687) Wing G1542; ESTC R27161 38,572 48

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therefore_o the_o saviour_n of_o all_o men._n indeed_o abraham_n and_o so_o all_o believer_n have_v many_o thing_n in_o special_a or_o peculiar_a blessing_n as_o a_o people_n engage_v in_o the_o duty_n of_o religion_n whilst_o unbeliever_n be_v under_o a_o wrathful_a sentence_n because_o they_o neglect_v so_o great_a salvation_n but_o all_o this_o concern_v not_o die_a infant_n who_o neglect_v not_o this_o salvation_n and_o so_o forfeit_v not_o their_o right_n to_o that_o common_a salvation_n obtain_v by_o christ_n for_o mankind_n in_o gal._n 3._o 14._o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o promise_n of_o the_o spirit_n which_o as_o it_o concern_v the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel-frame_n do_v not_o concern_v infant_n it_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o great_a measure_n of_o wisdom_n and_o power_n to_o walk_v in_o the_o path_n of_o righteousness_n than_o be_v ordinary_a under_o the_o former_a testament_n 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o gal._n 3._o 2_o 3_o 5_o 7._o gal._n 5._o 25._o nor_o can_v you_o with_o any_o show_n of_o reason_n say_v that_o i_o make_v the_o salvation_n of_o infant_n run_v in_o a_o fleshly_a line_n see_v i_o derive_v it_o only_o from_o the_o free_a grace_n of_o god_n manifest_v in_o the_o lamb_n slay_v from_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n to_o take_v away_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o world._n nor_o do_v i_o consider_v adam_n in_o a_o state_n of_o nature_n but_o as_o under_o a_o covenant_n of_o grace_n from_o who_o the_o second_o adam_n must_v in_o time_n proceed_v as_o touch_v his_o flesh_n and_o therefore_o his_o descent_n be_v reckon_v from_o he_o luk._n 3._o 23._o to_o the_o end_n in_o this_o second_o adam_n the_o repairer_n of_o mankind_n do_v i_o place_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o men._n and_o of_o the_o infant-race_n i_o say_v their_o title_n to_o this_o grace_n be_v not_o tie_v to_o man_n will_n to_o sin_v they_o out_o of_o it_o at_o their_o pleasure_n nor_o can_v the_o devil_n himself_o deprive_v they_o of_o this_o grace_n of_o life_n and_o therefore_o they_o be_v thus_o write_v in_o the_o book_n of_o life_n and_o not_o be_v under_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o book_n of_o conscience_n they_o can_v be_v hurt_v of_o the_o second_o death_n to_o what_o you_o say_v about_o god_n put_v the_o salvation_n of_o infant_n out_o of_o his_o own_o hand_n i_o say_v that_o though_o he_o put_v the_o salvation_n of_o no_o creature_n out_o of_o his_o own_o hand_n according_a to_o my_o opinion_n yet_o when_o he_o stretch_v forth_o his_o hand_n to_o gainsayers_a as_o rom._n 10._o and_o give_v they_o the_o word_n of_o life_n and_o they_o put_v it_o from_o they_o act._n 13._o 46._o then_o man_n may_v true_o be_v say_v to_o have_v a_o prize_n in_o their_o hand_n and_o to_o put_v it_o from_o they_o even_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o then_o i_o pray_v consider_v that_o if_o their_o put_a salvation_n from_o themselves_o be_v equal_o or_o real_o a_o put_v it_o from_o their_o infant_n as_o that_o must_v be_v your_o opinion_n or_o else_o we_o differ_v not_o than_o i_o say_v according_a to_o your_o opinion_n god_n suffer_v man_n to_o damn_v poor_a infant_n who_o he_o will_v save_v see_v according_a to_o your_o doctrine_n have_v the_o parent_n believe_v their_o infant_n have_v be_v in_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n but_o now_o for_o their_o father_n sin_n for_o what_o you_o say_v of_o their_o own_o contract_a be_v but_o a_o fable_n they_o be_v leave_v by_o you_o in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o the_o devil_n to_o suffer_v with_o the_o devil_n and_o his_o angel_n for_o ever_o now_o this_o dreadful_a doctrine_n can_v never_o be_v prove_v by_o the_o scripture_n though_o some_o have_v assay_v to_o do_v it_o i_o find_v indeed_o dr._n fulk_n say_v that_o calvin_n hold_v all_o infant_n under_o the_o sentence_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n only_o he_o admit_v that_o such_o infant_n as_o be_v elect_a and_o bear_v again_o by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n may_v be_v save_v but_o i_o find_v no_o proof_n that_o any_o infant_n die_v so_o be_v reprobate_a to_o eternal_a damnation_n the_o scripture_n say_v no_o such_o thing_n indeed_o diodate_v will_v have_v we_o believe_v that_o god_n cast_v esau_n even_o before_o he_o be_v bear_v out_o of_o his_o love_n as_o a_o father_n but_o here_o be_v no_o proof_n for_o if_o we_o shall_v admit_v his_o gloss_n upon_o rom._n 9_o 13._o yet_o we_o be_v to_o consider_v that_o god_n know_v what_o esau_n will_v be_v in_o time_n and_o do_v here_o foreshow_v what_o in_o time_n shall_v be_v do_v concern_v he_o esau_n live_v to_o be_v a_o man_n and_o a_o very_a sinful_a man._n god_n know_v all_o this_o before_o esau_n be_v not_o to_o be_v rank_v with_o die_a infant_n therefore_o the_o instance_n of_o esau_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o this_o instance_n fail_v as_o it_o evident_o do_v i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o show_n of_o proof_n in_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o damnation_n of_o die_v infant_n and_o therefore_o no_o man_n ought_v to_o believe_v such_o strange_a doctrine_n nor_o trouble_v the_o world_n nor_o church_n of_o god_n with_o it_o when_o our_o saviour_n denounce_v the_o dreadful_a sentence_n of_o hell_n damnation_n he_o direct_v his_o speech_n to_o hypocrite_n and_o grievous_a sinner_n but_o he_o have_v better_a thing_n in_o store_n for_o poor_a infant_n testify_v that_o to_o they_o belong_v the_o kingdom_n of_o god._n in_o his_o gracious_a arm_n therefore_o we_o shall_v leave_v all_o die_a infant_n for_o the_o obtain_v that_o blessing_n of_o life_n without_o which_o they_o be_v more_o wretched_a than_o the_o fall_v angel_n for_o they_o have_v once_o a_o bless_a state_n but_o proud_o fall_v from_o it_o but_o here_o it_o be_v poor_a infant_n be_v above_o these_o angel_n infant_n have_v a_o redeemer_n but_o the_o fall_v angel_n have_v none_o glory_n to_o god_n in_o the_o high_a for_o his_o free_a grace_n towards_o all_o die_a infant_n and_o let_v all_o good_a christian_n say_v amen_n finis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v offspring_n of_o growth_n or_o stature_n but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o infant_n infant_n manual_n of_o contro_n p._n 372_o to_o 377._o s._n n._n antid_v