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A86489	The skirts of the whore discovered, and the mingled people in the midst of her. In a letter sent by Denys Hollister to the independent baptiz'd people, who call themselves a Church of Christ in Bristol, but are found to be a synagogue of Satan, in answer to a charge brought to him from them by some of their members, and by him ... published. Together with another letter written by him to Thomas Ewens, a teacher among them, ... referring to his speaking among his people of having Sarah Latchet a servant of Jesus, once a member among the Baptists, sent to Bridewell, and whipt for testifying to them in the name of the Lord in their meeting the second day of the ninth moneth. 1655. And likewise an answer to 16 antiqueries directed to the people called Quakers, which answer was sent to Thomas Ewens, from whom the antiqueries were received, though Iohn Pendarviss a long time after published the antiqueries by the name of Queries, without the answer to them, or taking the least notice of it in a book entituled Arrows against Babylon which hath occasiond the presenting of the one, and the other, now to the view of those who read, and understand, to judge of the whole, and of their unfaire and deceitfull dealing.	Hollister, Dennis, d. 1676?	1656 (1656)	Wing H2508; Thomason E896_3; ESTC R202571	35,627	37

Moses by faith refused Happy would you be if your souls which long have been in captivity under the wisdom and policy of the first Adam might be raised and have dominion and you come to witness your part in the first resurrection where the second death hath no power O my friends what shall I say unto you or how shall I intreat you for I bear you record that some of you have a great zeal of God but not according to knowledge but going about to establish your own wisdom have not submitted your selves to the wisdom of Christ nor his Cross which is foolishness to some and a stumbling block to others but is known and witnessed by those that are saved to be the very wisdom of God Now in the words of Iob I shall conclude to you Iob 13.1 2. Loc mine eye hath seen all this mine ear hath heard and understood it what ye know the same do I know also I am not Inferior to you Surely I would speak to the Almighty and I desire to reason with God but ye are forgers of lies ye are all Physitians of no value O that ye would altogether hold your peace and it should be your wisdom hear now my reasoning and hearken to the pleading of my lips Will ye speak wickedly for God and talk deceitfully for him Will ye accept his person will ye contend for God Is it good that he should search you out or as one man mocketh another do ye so mock him he will surely reprove you If ye secretly accept persons shall not his excellency make you afraid and his dread fall upon you your remembrances are like unto ashes your bodies to bodies of clay Now all the Churches in England and Wales Baptized and Independant so called to whom I have been known in the flesh and the Elders that are among them I exhort who also was accounted and called an Elder that by the Light of Christ with which you are every one enlightned and is the true Light of which Iohn was a witness you search your selves whether ye are indeed that which ye account your selves to be or else but the likeness the picture or the image of the thing without the life or living power of God within you to act order and direct you For the day of the Lord is great upon all the Idols Likenesses and Images which have eyes and do not see and feet and do not walk c. Like unto which are all those that make or trust in them and sad will be your portion if you be found worshipping in the house of your Imagery and Imaginations setting up the Images of Churches in which the true life is not or the likeness of Elders without the power which the living Elders had which is the works of your own hands for the Scripture saith Confounded be all they that serve graven Images that boast themselves of Idols And also I exhort you to be sober Come out of Egypt and stand still that you may see the salvation of the Lord who is now leading his people like a stock out of Egypt and out of Babylon as in the days of old at which Pharaoh with all his Host is angry and the Magicians and Wise-men of Egypt withstand with whom many of you have already been partakers in persecuting and in unwarrantable cruelties exercised upon the true Israel of God by which you have sufficiently declared your selves to be the feed which was born of the Bond-woman after she flesh which persecuted and must be cast out and not the seed which was by promise born of the Free-woman from above after the Spirit which shall be Heir and must reign who in all ages was persecuted under one pretence or other but did never persecute but as then He that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the spirit so it is now And the innocent blood of righteous Iames Parnel who hath suffered to the loss of his life for the testimony of Jesus in the Goal of Colchester will sadly witness it to the Consciences of those pretended Ministers and Members of the Churches in Essex who were his unjust betrayers and persecuters against whom it cries aloud for vengeance let some Members of Churches whom I know in Norfolk and other parts of the Nation also consider this and repent And therefore amend your ways and your doings and execute true Judgement and Justice oppress not the stranger the fatherless and widow and shed not innocent blood nor walk after the abominations of the Heathen whom the Lord hath cut off before you and trust not in lying words that cannot profit saying The Temple of the Lord the Ordinances of God The Churches of Christ c. For will ye lie swear deal unjustly persecute and imprison the righteous slander and abuse and shed innocent blood do worse then your Fathers and come stand in that you call a Church as if you were delivered to do these abominations Is the House that is called by my Name become a Den of Robbers or Persecutors in your eyes Behold I have seen it saith the Lord And although he hath daily sent unto you his Servants and Prophets warning you in his Name and in his Power yet have you not hearkned unto him nor enclined your ears but hardened your necks and many of you done worse then your Fathers and therefore go see what he hath done to your Brethren the Persecuters which he cast out before you And for mine own part I must deal plainly and tell you the beholding and observing the unrighteous actings and deceitful hypocritical dealings of many of your eminent Members and other high pretenders to Religion whilst I sate with them in Parliament and other chief places of Counsel and Trust in the Nation was one of the first things that put me upon consideration what the root of that Profession should be from whence such sowre grapes and fruits of bitterness proceeded where I obtained mercy through the light of Christ that enlightneth every man that cometh into the world to see the root and the fruit to be the same your foundation rotten in the imitation and likeness of the truth not in the truth as it is in Jesus your way too broad to lead to life your Principle and profession weak and powerless not able to carry and lead you out of the World and its crooked and deceitful ways but in the lustful proud vain-glorious envious oppressive nature to dwell equal with the rest of the world from whence it is since broken sorth into the monstrous Viper of plain and open Tyranny Violence and Persecution in which you are observed greatly to exceed the Generations that went before you Vpon consideration of which notwithstanding I have known what it is to be accounted something among those called Churches what the preferment of Pharaohs Court is and the great things of England and have had a nature prone enough to imbrace the same yet for

to be in such confusion that you cannot discern the mother of Harlots the father of Lies neither know the Wine the Church the cup nor the Kingdom of the Lord further then you can imagine in your earthly sensual wisdom and you being so blinde and in such confusion without the power which laid the foundation as you confess we deny your spirit and account your stuff in your Answer as not worth mentioning to rake up after you but what you want in answering you can make up in asking shewing unreasonableness by your own confession And likewise appears that you would cover your selves and hide your perswasions and had rather pry into the conditions of others then bring your own deeds to the Light and seeing there is insulting because of our not answering in your time and false conclutions drawn we bear witness against your deceit and proceed to answer declaring that we differ by the power of the living God who by his spirit hath quickned us by which we see and discern you to be in the Will-worship in the wisdom which is from below of that number who are measuring your selves by your selves and comparing your selves among your selves and not according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed with which we agree but that to us from you doth not reach and therefore your voice and spirit we deny though you take the Scriptures to talk upon and trade withal in your earthly imaginations looking that the Kingdom of God should come with observation and say The cup of the Lord which is the true Vine is an outward cup when as the Kingdom of God is within O ye blinde guides how can you teach others who are your selves ignorant of the Kingdom and of the cup of the Lord and we bear witness to the sive things at least of great concernment and with your spirit we do not agree First We own and witness that God by Jesus Christ calls sinners to repentance and saves his people from their sins and redeems them from the wrath to come soul and body as many as rightly believe and work by love And that the same Jesus that at Ierusalem was crucified and before Pilate witnessed a good confession is now in the Heaven and the same that descended did ascend and comes again in like maner and also that our vile bodies shall be made like unto his glorious body and be flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone And again Every spirit we credit not but believing in the Lord Jesus we try the spirits and yours is tryed and seen to be the spirit of the world and not believed by us nor credited though you pretend to come with light therefore your spirits are rejected And lastly We know that it is not every one that saith Lord but he that doth the will of the Lord that enters into the kingdom of God And such have right to the Tree of Life and interest in the Promises made to Believers who worship God in Spirit and Truth and keep the Commandments according as they have received not by tradition nor imitation by and in the earthly carnal wisdom but led and guided by the spirit of the living God by which spirit we bear witness against your traditions and inventions and herein we differ and we do agree with that which convinceth you of sin and makes manifest your deceit and calls you to repentance from dead works that is the light which we love and you hating it and walking contrary to it and loving darkness differs you from the children of God and there is your condemnation and for answer to your other Quaeries take as followeth Query 2. Whether you doe not by many of your sayings craftily hide your perswasions from the sight of some honest people And is not this dissimulation at the best or lying after the manner of Ananias Acts 5.2 Answer Dissimulation at the best or lying against the Spirit we deny and from honest people we doe not craftily hide our perswasions but by manifestation of the truth commending our selves to every mans Conscience in in the sight of God not walking in craftiness but renouncing the hidden things of dishonesty and if our Gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost Query 3. Whether your selves even all of you be not Men and Women of finfull failings and imperfections as those godly people you cry down If not tell us who are the persons among you without their failings and imperfections and how they came so to be Answer This Query is rais'd from a Lye godly people we cry not down but deceit in all we witness against by that which is Eternal without imperfection And for being free from sin we say the Sonne of God is come which takes away sinne and he that 's borne of God sinneth not he that is in Christ is a new creature and this many among us are Witnesses of but the sinfull failings are without and such we do not justifie by saying they are not where they are or pleading for them where they are Query 4. Doe your in your judgements of the Congregations of Believers look after those things which are commendable as well as those which are condemnable in their practises doc you not on the contrary cry them down in general without any mercy Answer Yea we doe look after those things which are commendable in Believers and own them but they that say they are Believers and are not are to be witnessed against But to cry all down without any mercie is false and the lyar is for condemnation with the Light and with it we have unitie Quere 5. Whether your declaring against instrumentall Teaching and yet going about informing and instructing your selves and others doth not discover a grosse contradiction between your principles and practises and whether it be right to set them against it to bring them to hear your declaring altering only the name Answer Against the Teachings of Man or such who know what they know naturally we declare yet we are sent to turne from darkness to light and this is right and no contradiction but as the Prophets and Apostles who went up and down declaring against Seducers Deceivers and false Teachers and they informed and instructed and they that were of God heard them and this is not only altering the name But the Spirit is another and so the nature which beares witness against the spirit of the world where ever it rules Let your name be what it will your nature is seen and witnessed against Quere 6. Whether instrumentall Teaching be unsuitable unto the new Covenant If so why did Christ being ascended appoint Pastors and Teachers till all came into the Vnity ordaining Ministers for the Work while Work remaines did Christ burden his Saints with needlesse appointments Answer It s confest we goe about informing and instructing our selves and others and the New Covenant we own where all are taught of God and why Christ

the sake of him whom the world knows not and therefore persecute who was ever a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief have I chosen rather to suffer afflictions with the people of God then to enjoy the Pleasures and Treasures of England and can truly say Much rather would I be a Door-keeper in the House of God where the living presence and power of God is manifested known and witnessed then with you to dwell in the Tents of ungodliness where pride oppression violence persecution is owned and practiced These things are found among you if any of you deny the Spirit of persecution let him declare it and any of you are tender hearted and desire after the Lord Come forth from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you and will be a Father unto you and ye shall be my sons and daughters faith the Lord God Almighty The LETTER to the INDEPENDANT-BAPTIZED People Friends ALthough I cannot own any power at all you have over me neither am careful of the judgement of man who must abide the judgement of God before whose seat all must shortly come yet some Messengers from you having some time past been with me and told me they were sent by the Church of Christ and in the name of Christ to warn me of some things they lay to my charge as sin The true love I ever had to your souls constrains me to give you an answer in all simplicity and plainness and by the same spirit by which I often spake among you when many could not bear it but were offended as they still will be which I matter not well knowing from what fountain of darkness and ignorance it comes But before I proceed to answer the Particulars I must in faithfulness to your souls tell you that I am even constrained to bear witness that you are no Church of Christ neither know the name of Christ but a Synagogue of Satan and a Cage of unclean and hateful Spirits in which lodgeth Pride Hypocrisie Envy Slandering Back-biting Railing Lying love to this present World and conformity to the fashions customs and conversation of the same notwithstanding there is that in some among you after which my soul doth greatly groan with much longings that the salvation of God were come out of Sion c. but the Temple of God is holy Christ dwells not with these unclean Spirits And it becomes all who name the name of the Lord to depart from these iniquities his Name is dreadful to it and those that know his Name know it so c. To the Particulars 1. You say my sin lies in leaving the Church which hath these three sad considerations in it as you judge The drawing of many from the Faith and way of the Gospel The offending staggering and grieving many weak souls And the opening the mouths of many to speak evill of the wayes of Truth To which I Reply That all Judgement is given to the Son whom you being ignorant of and enemies to in your minds by wicked works by what can you judge or what is your judgement worth The Church I own as the Pillar and ground of truth which are all living stones built upon the living Foundation and groweth up into an holy Temple for God through the eternal Spirit in which the Lord God Almighty dwels and walks and manifests himself which Church I have not left But if by the Church you mean a company of people dead in trespasses without the life and power of godliness or true knowledge of God by the Revelation of the Sonne living in pride in the customes and loves of the world serving diverse lusts and pleasures ever learning but never comes to the knowledge of the Truth walking like other Gentiles in the Vanities of their minds having their understandings darkned and hating the true Light so that they are alienated from the life of God through ignorance feeding on ashes not on bread having a dead Forme without the living power of Godliness From this if I turn away it is not my sin but my duty and from this if any be drawn it is matter of joy in Heaven and of no sadness except to that which is beneath and to be cast out At which that which is offended stagger'd or griev'd may wel be said to be Weak and must perish It is true the mouths of many are now open to speak evill of the waies of Truth and of things they understand not as ever it was of old But as many among your selves are not the least in that transgression so shall you not miss of righteous Judgement except you repent in this approaching day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ Who is to be reveald from Heaven in flames of fire to take Vengeance on them who know not God nor obey the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ c. 2. You say my sin lies in neglecting and comtemning some of the Ordinances of Christ To which I Reply The Inventions Traditions and Imaginations of mens carnall wisedome withall that is done in the first nature being bus Cains Sacrifice and nol acceptable to God I am learning to neglect and disesteem Yea all that of which the Lord by the true Prophet Isay complaines Isay 11.10 to the 16. where you may read that in the account of the pure God the multitude of Sacrifices Oblations Incense New Moons Sabbaths solemn Assemblies appointed Feasts spreading forth the hands and making many prayers was to no purpose no delight had the Lord in it he required it not at their hands it was vain abominable and burthensome to him who could not away with it his soule hated it it was a trouble to him it was iniquity coming from impure hearts and bloody hands but the ordinances and appointments of God to his people I own approve and long after in the pure light life and spirit in which the true Saints had communion and fellowship When I asked your Messengers as they call'd themselves what they meant in particular by the ordinances that I neglected They rereplyed Baptism by Water and breaking of Bread To which I answer How can you but blush when you consider that degree of deceit and hypocrifie in which you now speak doth not that of God in all your Consciences reprove you I know it doth if you will observe it and therefore in plainness yet with true love let me ask you how can you say to me pull out the mote that is in thine eye when behold a beam is in your own eyes Can you judge me and not condemne your selves who doe the same things A Member of an Anabaptist Assembly I never was but did bear witness against it as ye know and the people with whom I walked was once neer upon casting out one for entertaining that opinion of Water-Baptism And when did you baptize as you call it your children I have known no

Lord God is gone forth against thee except thou repent who waxeth worse and worse deceiving and being deceived and little dost thou think the extream heighth of wickedness into which thou art spreading above many thy Companions if the Lord prevent not Alass alass Why was I warned from invisible sights many moneths if not years past to beware of thee something of whose condition was then manifest which I could not believe till in time it began to be made manifest by its fruits and now begins to be visible and breaks out like the fire which thou canst not contain within thee but openly opposest the appearance of Christ where it is found in life and power O my Friend Tender and open is my heart towards thee what would I not do that thou mightest escape the pit out of which no redemption can be How often am I wounded and my heart troubled in minding of thee O that thou might st know the things belonging to thy peace and how sandy thy foundation is on which thou standest and the deceit which fast thou holdect and so be led to repentance and not shut up the Kingdom of Christ against thy self and others My bowels are even turned for thee not knowing how to give thee up who am thy friend as thou lovest the light D. H. To this no answer at all was returned but many moneths after the said Antiqueries by the name of Quaeries were published in a book entituled Arrows against Babylon without taking the least notice therein of the answer given to it long before of the honesty equity and justness of which proceedings the wise in heart may judge and by the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world of which Iohn was a witness come to see where deceit reigns and the spirit of whoredomes witchcrafts and abominations rules but the answers were as followeth The ANTIQUAERIES answered Query 1. Whether you be willing that the depth of your perswasions concerning Christ his being contained in the Heavens the raising of our dead Bodies after natural death try all of Spirits and Doctrines according to the Scriptures should be clearly and openly known and published Answer 1. Yea and clearly and openly do we publish and declare the way to God according to the Scripture Christ who is risen of whom we bear witness and that he is ascended into Heaven and set down on the right hand of God But as for his being contained you ask you know not what And as for our perswasion of the raising of your dead Bodies after natural death or as you say the corruptible Bodies that are laid in graves or cast into the sea literally we say flesh and blood inherits not the Kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption But our perswasion is that the wicked and unjust shall arise to shame and everlasting contempt and therefore we warn you in the presence of the Lord to hearken unto the Light that shews you sin and come to repentance that you may witness a change lest that day come upon you unawares And the resurrection of the Just we own to everlasting life but we are not of those that say How are the dead raised and with what body do they come but we know that there is a natural body and there is a spiritual body and we confess and are perswaded of the resurrection of the just and unjust and to every seed his own body according to the Scripture And trial of Spirits and doctrines we own and are willing thereunto by the Spirit of the Lord to try and to be tryed and our perswasion is known unto the children of Light and the truth is plainly published and yet not known unto the world nor by its wisdom but to the Saints well known and in the light have we fellowship with the children of God unto whom his secrets are revealed Query If so What was the reason you gave no answer when it was put to you whether you did agree to those few plain Scripture truths concerning Christ and those weighty things before named Answer The spirit of Christ by which we are guided is not limited to your time and if you do conclude because there was not an answer when it was put that we deny Scripture truths you are given over to believe lies the same may be drawn concerning you for not returning an answer to our Queries when they were put and likewise your own reasons may be turned upon you if no particular answers to your Antiqueries were given and you judged out of your own mouthes First Because there is an intruding by you into the things not revealed Secondly Because some things are of less concernment and because in the conclusion there is an answer required in a masterly maner In all which you shew you alow your selves in the things which you condemn and that you are not taught by the light within to do as you would be done unto although you say the light within which is the light of right reason shews the unreasonableness or inequality of such a way of proceeding in taking of so casie a work as to hand out a heap of questions in number twenty seven but rightly distinguished amounting to a far greater number And here you are seen not to own the light of right reason to shew you your own unreasonableness who have sent out a heap of Queries by number sixteen which are near as much if they be not altogether as our twenty seven Questions and your particular Answers to them And your Answers are dull stuff saving the Scriptures which we own as they were spoken by them who lived in the life but the unclean spirit of confusion by which you speak we utterly deny You say The Church under the New Testament being the Kingdom of God there is the cup of the Lord who is the true Vine which cup is an outward cup you say in which you shew your ignorance that you neither know the cup nor the Vine nor the Kingdom of God You say The worship of Devils and sacrificing and seasting and the cup of Devils was outward but say you the cup of fornication and abomination which all the world drinks of is not to be taken literally but mystically And here you have shewn your confusion who say The cup of the Lord which is the true Vine is an outward cup but the cup of fornication and abomination is mystically to be taken which you have done accordingly yet you say the sacrifices and feastings to Devils is an outward worship but fornication and abomination is mystical and denotes a certain measure of the delusion of the Whore And whether the drinking of the cup and sitting at the Table and feasting and sacrificing to Devils was not abomination and a certain measure of the delusion of the Whore let all that can discern judge and whether it concerns not you to examine if this be not a certain measure of the delusion of the Whore

appointed Pastors and Teachers is answer'd in the query and what he appoints is not needless Quere 7. Whether the Scriptures you bring to oppose the Practice of Gospel-Ordinances doe not serve onely to reprove the practise of Circumcision or the walking after the traditions of men or the carnal formalist practise or Idolizing of the true Gospel-Ordinances all you say making not at all against a spiritual practice of Gospel-Church-Ordinances as of Breaking of Bread and Exhorting one another c. Answer We bring not Scripture to oppose the practice of Gospel-Ordinances but we bear witness against your traditions carnal formalists and Idolizing practises by the same spirit as they did then who said It is neither Circumcision nor Vncircumcision but a new Creature And the spiritual practice we own and press unto it and against the formall and the carnall all we say not making at all against a spiritual practice of Gospel-Church-Ordinances And whether the spiritual be taken practis'd and fulfill'd in the carnall let the Spiritual Judge who compares spiritual things with spiritual and here your queries are in your confusion who before drew a conclusion we cried all down without mercy and now say all we say makes not at all against a spiriruall practice Here the unclean Spirit hath confess'd truth Quere 8. Whether it be better to wait on God in his good old wayes expecting his work to be gradually carried on so running with patience your spirituall race or as the manner of some is to forsake the assembling our selves together in hopes to start up from a low stature suddenly into perfection by embracing a new Doctrine Answer In this query we are not concern'd by your own confession we informe and instruct our selves and others and we assemble our selves together for edifying waiting upon the Lord in patience to runne the spiritual race and for your starting up into perfection your envy is seen and against what you start and such starting we deny your slander returns upon your own head Quere 9. Whether Iesus Christ hath not prayed for those that believe through the word of the Apostles Is so whether they are not in a good and safe way who believe accordingly And whether it be better to credit their testimony so fully confirm'd and owned by the Lord or to forgoe that and embrace and follow the sayings of some of your company Answer Christ hath prayed for those that believe and they are in a good and safe way that believe accordingly and for crediting their testimony so fully confirm'd you have Drunkards Lyars Swearers Covetous proud Hyocrites and deceitful Ones to be of your company to confess the truth of their words but are as far from witnessing the life and power the Believers witnessed as the Hypocrites as the Drunkards swearers yea and many in this day of the Lord are brought to repentance and enter into the Kingdome before ye graves and painted sepulchres And for your secret slandering some of our company where nothing is instanced there needs no answer But all we say as you confess making nothing at all against a spiritual practice we judge it safe to follow that and they that believe and follow otherwise it is not for the better Quere 10. What is that Faith which the Spirit speaketh expresly some should depart from in the latter dayes giving heed to seducing spirits and dostrines of Devils Answer It is the Faith of the Son of God and Faith is a Mystery held in a pure Conscience and you that are ignorant of this Faith are among the seducing spirits and the last and perillous time is fulfilled upon you reprobate concerning the faith having a forme of godliness but denying the power as you confess that you profess no tto have the power the Apostles had by which the foundation was laid yet you say you can build but what your building is worth let the wise in heart judge who have not the power that layd the foundation O ye blind guids are your consciences so seared that you cannot see that you are out of the doctrine of Christ without the power that laid the foundation building among the company beforemention'd In the presence of the Lord are you seen witness'd against to be in the doctrine of devils without the power of God giving heed to seducing spirits seducing Repent repent ye Hyyocrites this is love to your souls and the Witness in your Consciences will answer it in the day of the Lords account Quere 11. Whether that Doctrine which in some is no more but look to the Light Within with a curse upon disobedience and a blessing upon obedience thereunto be that glorious Gospel Preached by Christ and his Apostles or whether it be not a renewing the old Doctrine of Iustification by Works w●●…ein the mystery of iniquity works to darken the grace of God in justifying the Vngodly without works freely by his grace and to make void the sufferings of Christ Answer This query is grounded upon a lye but the true Ministry is to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God And this is the way to receive forgiveness of sinnes and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith that is in C. Jesus and that the wrath of God is to be revealed upon the disobedient is found Doctrine and your deceitful coverings will not hide you who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ And glad tiding and plenteous redemption through his blood doe we witness and the old doctrine is denied by the summ of what we declare and the carnal profession and hypocrisie contrary to the grace of God which teacheth to deny ungodliness and the forme without the same power that laid the foundation there the mysterie of iniquity worketh and from thence came this query which is utterly false as it is applied to us Query 12. Whether the Light that is in every man doth reveale Iesus Christ as crucified for sin and risen again If so how came it to passe that so many strict men and Paul himself walking according to his Conscience before Conversion were ignorant of him Answer Do you not here shew your ignorance Is Christ reveal'd crucified for sin and raised again before Conversion Is this a learned question how it comes to passe that Christ is not known before Conversions seeing the Light reveales him The Light condemnes the Vnbelievers though they make a Profession that Christ is come and crucified for sin and risen Ye are in the darkness it self as neer Egypt as Babylon Did Paul know Christ til he was revealed in him and doth darkness reveale him While Paul walked in the zeal without the true knowledge persecuting he was ignorant and injurious and the Son not reveal'd But in the Light is Christ known and reveal'd and the true Light lighteth every man and he that believeth in the light is a child of light But one question after your manner of counting to you among