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A15127 An ansvvere to a certen libel intituled, An admonition to the Parliament, by Iohn VVhitgifte, D. of Diuinitie Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604. 1572 (1572) STC 25427; ESTC S122025 173,998 302

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receyued with this special commendation I certifie you that you haue done well and according to due order c. But nowe we speake in good ear●est when they answer this let thē tel vs how this geare agreeth with the scriptures and whether it be not repugnant or against the worde of God Answere Of priuate Baptisme I haue spoken before here is nothing alledged agaynst it but the. 28. of Math. Go ye and teache baptizing them c. which texte dothe proue that it was a portion of the Apostles office to baptise but in what place at what tyme howe many at once is not there prescribed and therfore priuate Baptisme may abide this touchestone for any thing that I sée to the contrarie You say vntruly when you do affirme that teaching in this Churche is diuorced from communions and sacraments but such forged slaunderous spéeches be vsuall to you Of this matter also I haue spoken in the former parte You say women that may not speake in a congregation may yet in tyme of necessitie minister the sacramente of Baptisme and that in a priuate house And to proue that womē may not speak in a cōgregation you quote 1. Co. 14. 1. Tim. 2. wheras you should rather haue proued that women may not in time of necessitie minister baptisme for that is the question and not the other But hereof I haue also spoken my opinion before Women may speake in the congregation if necessarie occasion doe require as maister Caluine teacheth in his Institutions chap. 13. secti 32. And yet you say this is not to tye necessitie of saluation to the Sacramentes nor to nousell men vp in that opinion no surely no more than it is to teach that children ought to be baptized and not to tarye vntill such tyme as they be able to answere for them selues You shoulde haue proued this to be repugnant to the Scriptures bicause you saye it is and therefore you refuse to subscribe When you set downe the Scriptures to the whiche it repugneth if it fall oute so in déede you shall haue me a conformable aduersarie I will say with Saint Augustine Errare possum haereticus esse nolo and I would to God you coulde learne that lesson Admonition The eyght The publique Baptisme that also is full of childishe and superstitious toyes First in their prayer they say that God by the Baptisme of his sonne Iesus Christe didde sanctifye the floude Iordane and all other waters to the mysticall washyng awaye of syn attributing that to the signe which is proper to the worke of God in the bloud of Christ as thoughe vertue were in water to washe awaye synnes Secondlye they requyre a promyse of the Godfathers and godmothers as they terme them whyche is not in theyr powers to perfourme Thyrdely they prophane holie Baptisme in toying foolishly for that they aske questions of an infant whiche can not aunsw●re and speake vnto them as was wonte to bee spoken vnto men and vnto suche as beeing conuerted answered for them selues and were baptised Whyche is but a mockerie of God and therefore agaynste the holie Scriptures Fourthly they doe superstitiously and wickedly institute a newe Sacrament whiche is proper to Christe onely marking the chylde in the forehead with a Crosse in token that hereafter he shall not be ashamed to confesse the fayth of christ We haue made mention before of that wycked diuorse of the worde and Sacramentes We saye nothing of those that are admitted to be witnesses what yll choyce there is made of them howe cōuenient it were seing the children of the faithful only are to be baptised that the father should and mighte if conueniently offer and presente his childe to be baptised making an open confession of that faith wherin he would haue his childe baptised and howe this is vsed in well ordered Churches Answere The superstitious toyes you fynde in publique Baptisme be these First that in our prayer we say that God by the baptisme of his sonne Iesus Chryste did sanctifie the floud Iordan and al other waters to the misticall washing away of sinne The seconde is that we require a promise of the godfathers and godmothers which is not in their powers to perfourme The thirde that we aske questions of Infants which can not answere and speake c. The fourth that we marke the chylde in the forehead with a crosse making thereby a newe sacrament c. The fifth that we make an euill choyse of those that are to be admitted witnesses c. By the first you say that wee attribute to the signe that which is proper to the worke of god in the bloud of Chryst as though vertue were in water to washe away sinne You know very wel that we teache farre otherwise and that it is a certayne and true doctrine of all suche as do professe the Gospell that the outwarde signes of the sacramente doe not conteyne in them grace neither yet that the grace of God is of necessitie tyed vnto them but onely that they be seales of Gods promises notes of Christianitie testimonies and effectuall signes of the grace of God and of our redemption in Chryste Iesus by the which the spirite of God dothe inuisibly worke in vs not onely the increase of fayth but confirmation also You vnderstand likewise that this difference there is betwixt these externall elements béeing selected to be sacramental signes that is betwixt water in baptisme and common water bread and wine in the Eucharist and vsuall bread and wine that these nowe be sacraments sanctified to an other vse to a spirituall vse to the norishing of fayth and féeding of the soule to be instruments of the holy ghost by the which as by instruments we be fed to eternall life Furthermore you can not be ignorante that whosoeuer contemneth these external signes and refuseth them can not be a member of Chryst neither yet saued Last of all you haue learned that there is suche a similitude betwixte the signes and the thing signified that they are not onely in Scripture vsually called by the names of those things whereof they be Sacraments as breade the body of Chryst and water regeneration but also that the contumelie or contempt done to the one dothe redounde to the other that is the contempt of the signes is the contempt of the things signified and therfore S. Paule sayth 1. Cor. 11. He that eateth and drinketh vnworthily eateth and drinketh his owne damnation Non dijudicans corpus domini And Christ Iohn 3. Except a man be borne of water and the spirite he can not enter into the kingdome of heauen These things béeing considered it is no superstitious toy but a godly and true saying that Chryste hath sanctified all waters vsed in baptising to the mysticall washing away of sinne not ascribing or attributing washing away of sinne to the externall element any otherwise than instrumentally or in any other respecte than for the similitude that Sacraments haue with the things wherof
this reason is alledged among other euen in the boke of Common prayers And that it is not to make baptisme perfect the boke of common prayers it selfe declareth in these words And that no man shall thinke any detriment shall come to children by deferring of their confirmation he shall know for truth that it is certaine by Gods vvorde that children being baptised haue all things necessarie for their saluation and be vndoubtedly saued You adde as though the Byshop coulde giue the holy Ghost the Byshop may vse the ceremonie vsed by the Apostles that is imposition of handes may safely say this godly prayer conteyned in the boke Defend O Lord this child vvith thy heauenly grace that he may continue thine for euer and dayly encrease in thy holy spirite more and more vntill he come vnto thy euerlasting kingdome Amen And other such godly praiers ther conteyned Of any other kinde of giuing the holy ghost there is no mention in that booke and therefore these additions myght very wel haue bene left out of your libell But of the Bishops benedictiō by laying on of his hands heare Master Caluines iudgement in his Instit. cap. 19. secti 4. Talem manuum impositionem quae simpliciter loco benedictionis fiat lando et restitutam hodie in purum vsum vilim Such imposition of handes as is simplie made in the steade of blessing I do commend and vvish that it vvere restored at this day to the pure vse There shall you also reade the very self same for me manner of confirmation allowed which is now vsed in this Church of England To the ende of the eleuenth reason these wordes be added and open our eyes that we may see what that good and acceptable will of God is and be more earnest to prouoke his glorie to the which I only answere Amen In the ende of the twelfth there is something left out which they haue placed in the 13. reason but it is answered before Fol. 6. There is nothing added or altered worth the noting only in the fiftenth reason where they sayde before that we honored Byshoppes by the titles of Kings nowe they haue recanted that and condemned themselues of an vntruth for they haue left out that title In the ende of that fiftéenth article or reason this is added and whiche of them haue not preached against the Popes two swords nowe whether they vse them not thēselues Touching the Popes two swords we are of the same minde stil for the Pope contrary to the worde of God taketh from Princes vnto him selfe that authoritie whiche is due vnto them by the worde of God and woulde haue them to receiue that authoritie from him whiche he hath no power to gyue the Pope also requireth the full authoritie of a ciuill magistrate and exempteth him selfe from all subiectiō which is flat contrary to the word of God our Byshops in this Church do not challenge as of their owne right any such ciuill authoritie but only according to their duty execute that that by the Prince lawes of this Realme for iust considerations is layde vpō them Neither do they medle in all ciuill causes or exercise all ciuill iurisdiction but such only as helpeth to discipline and to the good gouernment of this church and state Wherefore we may safely preache against the Popes two swords and yet lawfully defende that iurisdiction and authoritie that any bishop hath in this Church for any thing that I knowe Fol. 7. Wheras before it was thus in the margent and. 19. reason to proue that the regiment of the church shoulde be spirituall reade Eph. 1.23 1. Thess. 5.13.1 Ti. 5.2 Heb. 10.30 now it is thus altered to proue that the regiment of the church should be spirituall read Caluine in his cōmentaries vpon these places Eph. 1.23 1. Thes. 5. 13.1 Ti. 5.2 Heb. 10.30 Belike bicause the scriptures thēselues do not sufficiētly proue your assertiō therfore you would haue vs to leaue them to reast vpon Caluines interpretation which is nothing else but to prefer mans iudgemēt before the word of god or to giue master Caluine authoritie to conclude that which is not determined by the scripture If this be not your meaning why flye you frō those places themselues to master Caluines interpretatiō vpon them But what if you now abuse master Caluines cōmentaries vpon these places as you did before the places themselues In his commentaries vpon Ephe. 1. vse 23. This is all that he sayth touching this matter Nam vtcunque Christus omnia perficiat nutu virtuteque sua tamē specialiter loquitur hic Paulus de spirituali ecclesiae gubernatione Quanquam nihil interea impedit quo minus de vniuersali mundi gubernatione accipias For howsoeuer Christ maketh perfecte all things with his becke and by his power yet Paule speaketh here especially of the spiritual gouernemēt of the church Although that in the meane time it is no hinderance why thou mayest not also vnderstād it of the vniuersall gouernement of the world These words serue litle for your purpose There is no man that doubteth but that Christe doth spiritually gouerne his Churche and raigne in the hartes of the faithfull by hys sprite But your meaning is that the gouernement of the Churche is only spirituall which you can no more gather of these wordes of Caluine than you may that the gouernemente of the whole world ought only to be spirituall The same Caluine writing vppon .1 Thessa. 5 vers 12. for the which you haue noted the .13 saith on this sorte Hoc additum videtur ad notandum spirituale regimen tametsi enim Reges quoque magistratus Dei ordinatione prosunt quia tamen ecclesiae gubernationem dominus peculiariter vult suam agnosci ideo nominatim praeesse in Domino dicuntur qui Christi nomine mandato ecclesiam gubernant This seemes to be added to note the spirituall regiment For although kings also and Magistrates do gouerne by the ordinance of God yet bycause the Lorde would haue the gouernemente of the Churche knowne peculierly to be his therefore namely they are saide to rule in the Lorde whiche gouerne the Churche in the name of Christe and by hys commaundemente Hitherto Caluine also affirmeth that whiche no man denieth that God doth by the ministerie of his worde spiritually gouerne his Church But this taketh not away the ciuill Magistrate neyther yet ciuill lawes made by the Magistrate externally also to gouerne the Churche In his Commentaries 1. Ti. 5. verse 2. he speaketh not one word of this matter for any thing that I can perceiue Vppon the place to the Hebrewes he onely sheweth that God dothe gouerne hys Churche the whiche I thinke no man is so wicked as to denye You muste more plainly sette it downe what your meaning in this matter is before you can be fully aunswered For to proue that God dothe spiritually gouerne his Churche is néedlesse being denied of none either Papiste or Protestant