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A13881 A full and plaine declaration of ecclesiasticall discipline owt off the word off God and off the declininge off the churche off England from the same.; Ecclesiasticae disciplinae, et Anglicanae Ecclesiae ab illa aberrationis, plena è verbo Dei, et dilucidà explicatio. English Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635.; Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. 1574 (1574) STC 24184; ESTC S118505 144,991 206

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freelie and sincerelie preached vnto vs what were the force off our Adoption in Christe what were the strengthe off the couenannte which God made with vs what the eternall and euerlasting councell off god in CHRIste were touching our saluacon what were the vse off the Sacramentes and namelie off Baptisme For who can dowbte that this fowle error flowed into the churche from these heades and that the ignoraunce off these thinges was the cause that some not vnderstanding that place off Saincte Iohn Onlesse a man be borne againe off vvater and off the Spirite He cannot enter into the Kingdome off God toke occasion thereoff to thincke Baptisme necessarie to saluacion and that all that were not baptized shold be condemned Whereas all the Scripture to the Anal●ogie and proporcion whereoff this place is to be expounded p●ainly teacheth that the Electe are saued by the goode pleasure and will off god by reason off the couenante and off there Adoption in Ihesus Christe That Abraham was iustefied before his circuncision which in force and effecte answereth to our baptisme and that couenaunce and the promises are not made by the sacramentes but sealed by thē Which seale also serueth not to the confyrmyng off the worde off god in it selfe which in yt se●fe is most constaunte certeine and immutable and hath no neede to borowe credite off any thing ells but that i● maie be confirmed in vs whose weakenes to the fulie staieng and acquieting off our faithe neded suche meanes to be confirmed by So that seing the lorde to haue sete his sygnet to the confyrming off our Saluacion and to haue sealed yt vp we might the more quietlie rest and acquiete our selues in his faithe and custodie As for the place off S. Iohn wither yt be to be vnderstoode off the holie Ghoste the Author off this regeneracion whereoff our Sauior speaketh who as in an other place is ment by fyre so maie be also here by water or whither yt be ment off Baptisme yt in no wise restraineth our saluacion to euerie sprinckling off wa●er but to the sacrament only But there can be no sacramēt without a minister and there can be no embassadge without an embassador And yf any priuate man shold breake breade according to the institucon off Christe and communicate with others to the commemoracion off his Seathe who wold call that the ho●y supper off the Lorde and not rather an vnworthie prophanacion off that most holie mynister rie And yet althoughe yt be ministred by a minister our entraunce into the kingdome off god is not to be geuen to the outward baptisme but in as muche as by a sacramentall kinde of speaking vsuall in the scriptures in this kinde That is attributed to the Sacramentes for the certeine coniunction off the thinges signified with the Signes which indede is proper to the thinges whereoff they be Sacramentes Therefore there is not that necessytie off Baptisme to saluacion which many doe suppose that for this cause the holie ordinaunce off god whereby it is lawfull for the mynisters onlie to minister the Sacramentes should be prophaned And I can not see what other cause off his prophanacion they can pretend And a man maie mervailee whie at suche tymes they pu● not rather priuate men to baptize then women for sure the faulte had bene so muche the lesse For women are further removed from this office for whome yt is vnlawfull to take the same vpon them not onlie because they are preuate but also because they are women For euen the verie sexe is forbidden to exercise any publique charge or function in the churche by sancte Paull And is commanded to sitte still and be quiette which quietnes and vocation these men will not suffer thē to enioie who styrre them vp to the exercisyng off authoritie and doing off these thinges so expresselie forbidden them But yff this were to be suffred for that necessitie which they imagine whie shold yt not also be suffred in case off like necessitie that they should minister the lordes supper and preache the gospell wherefore seing they are forbidden by S. Paul. to exercise any ecclesiasticall function or authoritie Seing it is an vnlawfull transgression off the ordinaunce off Christe and an vnworthie prophanacion off baptisme to geue leaue to women and mydwiues to exercise this authoritie it were to be wished that some parte off the mydwiues conning were practized here to the vnburdening of our churche off this fowle error as off a shamefull monster that yt trauaileth withall and that it were ordeined which the Lord hath commanded that they who are not chosen nor by any meanes can be chosen to goo on the Lordes embassadge should not abuse any longer the place office and authoritie off so wo●thy a calling It remaineth now to enquire off Archedeacons chancellors commissaries and the rest off that sorte who withou● any grownde off the worde off god take vpon them authoritie ●o Iudge off all suche causes as belong to the Assemblie off Elders to Iudge off and to gouerne the chur +che and to correcte and punyshe not only the people but euen the ministers them selues according to there will and pleasure who I knowe not what answere they can be able to make for them selues what letters off Order they can shewe what signes and seales off there Vocacion whereas the holy scrip●ures doe not onlye commytie no suche charge vnto them but maketh not a worde mencion off all this sorte at all For in all the Testament wherein our Sauior hath declared his last will vn●o vs and appointed Tutors and Gardianes for his churche There is not one worde mencyoned off the Tutorshippe off these men but off Apostles Prophetes and Euangelistes who for a certeine tyme should haue the charge off yt After also off Pastors Doctors and Elders to whome this office was committed for euer To vsurpe then without the will off so worthie a Testator not onlie some parte off this charge which notwithstanding could not be done without the breaking off the Testament but euen the the whole and that by displacing those who were lawfullie called therunto and subiecting them to the vsurped authoritie and so to breake into an other mans possession that thow not onlie put out the right owner and maister but also compell him to become subiecte and slaue to the hath not only no pretence off right and equitie but being so heynous and vnworthie a facte were worthie to be corrected by the Magistrates authoritie For what a confusion is this that the deacon leauing his proper charge off the poore should take vpon him an other mans and rule not onlie the churche but also the Pastors Doctors and Elders to whom by goddes commandement he owght to be subiecte And that euerie Canonise and Petifogger in the lawe should vsurpe the Authoritie off Ministers and deuines I passe ouer that the most off them be Papistes and that suche are suffred to sitte in the stearne who should no
yt were made and appointed off God especially in this age and in thes daies wherin all thinges ar so corrupted that the most part followinge the pleasures off this life ar smally carefull for the right vse off spirituall giftes wher off notwithstandinge the Apostle would haue no man ignorant And allthoughe many wer able to iudge in other charges who ar meete and vnmeet how fewe be ther that could make triall and assay off a minister that could examyn his gifftes and make due searche and triall what godlines what lerninge or what ability he were off to edefy the churche And suerly iff all men were so taught off god that they could know and iudge off thes thinges then in deed we should neede no certein choosen men who by ther spirituall wisdome and discretion should gouerne and direct the Iudgementes off the people we should not then need to feare the chosinge off any vnworthy or vnable to edifie the churche ther would be no daunger off confusion and vproares Thes in deed should be the bancketes that they commend so highly that ar the dayntier the more ther be that bringe ther dishes to it and the Gosyppe feastes which they praise so muche which when they can prepare for vs we ar so fare off that we would not sit downe beinge bidden that with great thanckes to the host that so should receyue vs we would take great pleasure in the vse off so so exquisite daynties and preferre them before the most deyntie feastes off the Syracusians and such a table before that golden table off the sonne that Herodotus doth mencion But seinge thes thinges ar rather to be wished then hoped or loked for let vs keep that ordre which I haue described beinge most agreable to the decrees of the Apostles to edificacion the chiefest and most sacred lawe off discipline and furthest off from confusion and tumultes which is that the ecclesiasticall counsell when neede shal be prouide fitt men for the churche in euery function and office examin and trie them diligently and carefully then choose them after publishe and make knowne ther election vnto the church and last off all beinge allowed by the church lay ther handes vpon them and so stablishe them in ther place and callinge by ther authoritie But paraduenture I haue taried longer in this part then needed seing we ar not troubled with the lightnes and confusion off populer elections but with lordshipp and tyranny which I cannot se may continue with the safety off the church which it hath already allmost ouerthrowne so that speedie remedy is to befound lest we lament to late the ruine off our decaying church Now as for Elections ther must allwais goo before them a due profe and triall off the worthynes off the partyes that ar to be chosen For that which the Apostle to Timothe commandeth concerninge Deakons That they also be fist examined and then iff ther be no other cause to the contrary admitted to ther deaconshipp doth plainlie proue that examinacion owght to be had before that election and choise be made to any ecclesiasticall office and function for which cause also S. Paule doth no lesse declare the maner how to proue and trie a bishoppe or ministers then to examin the Deacon and ther is the same ende ād vse off examinaciō in all which is That no charge be cōmitted to an vnfit man or not able enoughe for the office wherby it might come to passe that both the church should want hir needfull and necessary helpes and that the holie offices should be prophaned Therfore the churche ought to choose no man but whom they knowe before to be chosen off God for it standeth vppon the gouerment off his house whos keies it is vnlawfull to commit vnto any to whom the Sonne and heyre that great steward off the house off Dauid vpon whose shoulder the master off the house hath laid the keies hath not thought good to credit and commit them vnto But God chooseth no man to any office whom therwith all he doth not indewe with meet giftes for the discharginge off it for otherwise how should he aske accōpt off doinge the office off him whom he compelled to beare and take it vpō him knowinge him vnmeet and vnable for it Therfore no man is sent oute off god without worthie giftes into any parte off his gouerment but for the burthen and function that he laieth vpon him he ministreth also strenght and force to beare it And this is the meaninge off the often repeatinge in the booke off Iudges off that sentence The Spirit off the Lord came vpon him and he iudged Israel ād many suche like examples are to be founde in the olde Testament off Moses and Iosua off the Prophetes Esay and Ieremy and many other whō when the Lord ment to vse in any the lest charge off his churche he therwith all endeweth them with worthy giftes for the good execution theroff And in the new Testament our Sauior Christ him selfe tooke not vpō hī to deale in the mediator his office before he had receiued the holy ghost wherby he might be furnished withmeet giftes for the full discharge and execution off it For so Esay expressely Prophesithe off him The pirit off the Lord is vpon me therfore he hath anoynted me he hath sent me to preach the Gospell vnto the pore c. Out off which place whe see that fyrst he receyued the Spirit or euer that office and embassage was enioyned him and that he was anoynted before he came to the wrestling and exercise So lickewise the Apostles allthoughe they had beene taught by our Sauior him selfe the most heauēly schole master that could be for three yeeres and more and had after a sorte receyued the holie ghost by his breathinge vppon them yet because they had a great battell to fight and muche trauell to be taken and many daungers to aduenture into he geuethe them warninge that they enter not into the listes rashly and vnprouided but commandeth them yet to tary and waite for the promise off the father and more plentifull guiftes off the holie ghost Hither also belongethe the ceremonies vsed in bothe the Testamentes in ordinacion or consecracion as we call it For what ells doth that anoyntinge off the priestes kinges and Prophetes declare But thos guyftes wherwith they who were anoynted were endewed by the holie ghost for the execucion off ther offices To this also the layinge on off handes in the newe testament is to be referred which declareth that the Lord had laid on his handes before and giuen them worthi gyftes for the places they were called vnto But what do I trauelinge so carefully in this behalfe doth not nature it selfe and reason and common experience teach vs this when some ar sett ouer the citie and cōmon wealth that they are choosen counsellors whom greate lerninge and long life and diligēt obseruacion and experience it selfe hath taught that worthie and hard knowledge off