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A12793 The sale of salt. Or The seasoning of soules Namely such, as for whom the chapmen here doe come, and whom the author, which taketh the name of a salter, is willing, what in him lieth, to season with the salt of the Word, leauing the successe to the Lord, without whose blessing in such works we can do nothing. Written by Iohn Spicer, minister of the word of God at Leckhamsteed in the county of Buckingham. Spicer, John. 1611 (1611) STC 23101; ESTC S117790 175,913 412

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it selfe wee are not to thinke that all children doe perish that depart this life without Baptisme for so vnder the commendation of that signe of the grace of God God himselfe should be wronged and reproued and wee should derogate from his truth as if our safety propped with his promise weare not sufficiently ●orne vp Sith then there is no contempt of Baptisme found in thee the want thereof could not hurt the infant which deceased before thou couldst conueniently offer it to Baptisme Tract Then belike he would not forbid such to bee buryed among Christians but saith hee nothing of baptizing of the children of those whom hee calleth Papists Guid. Yes I remember in a certaine Epistle to a friend of his touching that matter he saith The promise not onely comprehendeth the issue of each faithfull man in the first degree Pag. 322 in Folio but is extended to a thousand generations whereby also it commeth to passe that the iuterruption of piety which was rife or had spred farre in the Papacy hath not taken away the force and efficacy of Baptisme for the originall is to bee regarded and the nature of Baptisme is to bee esteemed by the promise Wee therefore doubt not that the progeny of great grandfathers which were godly men doe belong to the body of the Church though their grandfathers or fathers were Apostataes These be the speaches of that Caluin whose doctrine Deane Gifford calleth psuedneuangelium a false Gospell and saith that in many points it is worse and more wicked then the Alcoron of the Turks See the exact disou p●inted sidce the fift ●f Nou. 1605. pag. 2. 3. but whatsoeuer any of them say of this reuerend learned man if you list to reade any of his workes you shall finde that hee goeth not about to draw men to like of this or that point of doctrine with shew of words onely but setteth downe his reasons also Tract If he should not do so his doings were but dotage in the iudgement of Saint Austin who saith Verba iactare nihil probare Cònt lit petil li 2 ca. 34. quid est nisi delirare To brag with words and proue no iote What is it else but euen to dote Rom. I pray you one word cozen sith you haue named Saint Austin tell me whether he were of this minde that all which are baptized are saued Tract I know hee thinketh hardly of such as depart this life without it vrging much these words Except a man be borne of water and the Spirit c. taking the word water in another sense then some doe but what hee saith touching your question is now out of my head therefore I leaue it to M. Guid-well Guid. Writing against Chrestonius hee saith Baptismus est sacramentum nouae vitae ac salutis aeternae quem multi habent non ad vitam aeternam sed ad paenam aeteruam non bene vtentes tanto bono Rom. I pray you English it I am neuer the neerer for the Latin Guid. What be you the better then for hearing a Latine Masse or a Latine Mattins Rom. It may bee we haue it in English now Guid. If you haue you may thanke the Protestants which haue so oft vrged that of Paul Let all things be done to edifying 1. Cor. 14. and againe yet had I rather in the Church to speake fiue words with mine vnderstanding that I might also instruct others c. Tract Come I know what D. Harding saith of that matter but let that goe and English S. Austins words Guid Thus it is Baptisme is a Sacrament of new life and eternall saluation the which many haue not to euerlasting life but to euerlasting paine not well vsing such an excellent thing And in his first Booke against the same man Aug. cont Cres gram li. 1. ca. 34. he saith these words Quod licet sanctum sit neque vllo modo praetermitendum quoniam sacratissima significatione praepollet quam multi cam tamen accipiunt non solum boni qui secundum propositum vocati sunt conformes imagini Filij Dei sed etiam ij qui regnum Dei non possidebunt in quibus sicut dicit Apostolus ebriosi auari numerantur The which thing speaking of visible Baptisme although it be holy and by no meanes to bee omitted because it hath a most sacred signification yet very many take it not onely the good which are called of purpose conformed to the image of the Sonne of God but also such as shall not possesse the kingdome of God among which as the Apostle saith are reckoned both drunkard and the couetous In the twentieth one booke of the Citty of God he asketh what it auaileth any man to be baptized if he bee not iustified Did not hee which said nisi quis renatus c. Except a man bee borne againe of water and of the spirit hee cannot enter into the Kingdome of God say also Except your righteousnesse exceede the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisies yee shall not enter into the Kigdome of heauen Cur illud timendo c. why are many through feare of the first speach carefull to be baptized and not many through feare of the latter carefull to be iustified and writing against Petilians letters he saith Li. 2.19 Cont. lit Pet. that Baptisme being but one the iust haue it to saluation the vniust to destruction Rom. Inough of that now tell mee I pray you if hee affirme any to haue had the holy Ghost before Baptisme Guid. Hee affirmeth so much of that as he hath warrant from the Canonicall Scriptures for in the saide second Booke Ca 39. against Petilian he saith In Centum viginti homines Acts 1 15. 2.4 c. Vpon those hundred and twenty men the holy Ghost came without imposition of any mans hand But vpon Cornelius and those that were with him Etiam pruisquam Baptizarentur A 10 44 Euen before they were Baptized Tract By the Holy Ghost in those places may be vnderstood some guifts of the Spirit as to Prorhecie to speake with Tongues c. For in the 2. of the Acts the 4. verse it is saide They were all filled with the holy Ghost and began to speake with other tongues as the Spirit gaue them vtterance And in the tenth Chapter we reade that while Peter spake these words meaning those words in the verse 43. To him also giue all the Prophets witnesse that through his name all that beleeue in him shall receiue remission of sinnes with other verses afore going the holy Ghost fell on all them that heard the word For saith the 46. verse They heard them speake with tongues and magnifie God Sith you are gone so farre in this matter I pray you Maister Guidewel tel me were are all the Elect baptized I meane since Christ his time for before they vsed Circumcision my Couzen saith Guid. I might tell you many things if I were one of Gods
of the foules to declare dangerous designes of late Salt What call you that fowle Chap. Eagle which mounted and made hast to the Court some say as soone as hee espied a shew of bloud vpon a peece of paper I meane when he suspected some bloudy plot or at least was amazed Salt Blessed bee God that made that Eagle make such spéed after the sight of the paper there is good hope that the diuell hath but a short time hee thareth so sore and would haue roared more if God had not stopt his mouth in time but if you will haue any more of this kind of Salt héere it is Let them bee confounded and put to shame that seeke after my soule ●sal 35.4 let them be turned backe and put to confusion that imagine mine hurt 5 Let them be as chaffe before the winde and let the Angell of the Lord seatter them 6 Let there way be darke and slippery and let the Angell of the Lord persecute them 7 For without cause they haue hide the pit and their net for mee without cause haue they digged a pit for my soule And Dauid faid to Abishai destroy him not 1. Sam. 26.9 c. for who can lay his hand vpon the Lords Annointed and be guiltlesse 11 The Lord keep me from laying my hand vpon the Lords annointed This know all that in the last dayes shall come perilous times 2. Tim. 3.1 for men shall be louers of their owne selues couetous boasters proud c. 2 Without naturall affection truce-breakers false accusers c. Traytors heady high-minded c. turne away therefore from such Then when Iudas which betrayed him saw that he was condemned Mat. 27.3 he repented himselfe and brought againe the thirty peeces of siluer to the chiefe Priests and Elders 4 Saying I haue sinned betraying the innocent bloud but they said what is that to vs see thou to it And when hee had cast down the siluer-plates in the Temple he departed and went and hanged himselfe And so did Achitophel in Dauids time ● Sam. 17.23 when hee saw his counsell against the King was not followed Chap. If we would beleeue indeed that these things are true wee should insteed of being slaues vnto such sinnes striue against them with all the might wee had yea wee should pray heartily for strength to withstand such horrible wickednesse and hold this for a truth that it is not noblenesse but haughtinesse not piety but pride not religion but rebellion that makes such kind of men so stubbornely refuse to obey such as the King of Kings hath placed ouer them Salt If such Parents and Tutors as are so addicted to Popery would instéed of féeding their children with beades and babies call them to reade some chapter of the Bible either in the old or new Testament morning and euening superstition and rebellion would bee loathsome vnto them in short space especially if they would vse prayer and frequent the Church in which such as be wise will do what in them lyeth to haue wise and sober guides least through ignorance and ill behauiour they rather offend then amend such as come to heare them Chap. It were great happinesse yea a great blessing of God indeed if euery Teacher could do as hee teacheth but there is no man liuing I thinke without some fault do none of the ancient fathers acknowledge this in their time Salt You shall heare what one of them wrot more then twelue hundred yeares past who dare assigne to himselfe that hee doth all things that God commandeth Nemo prosus nemo no man no man at all predicamus non facimus we Preach and do not you heare and regard not merito omnes sumus sub flagello wee are all worthily vnder the whippe doth Teacher and doer hearer and contemner we studdy to find fault one with another we do not studdy to sift our owne workes one neighbour backebyteth another one Clearke backebyteth another Clearke and one lay-man anther certainly I see men accusing one another but I see no man iustè se excusantem iustly excusing himselfe The seuenteenth Chapman I Pray you sir if you haue any Salt for so I vnderstand you call the holy Scripture that is fit to season such as seek to charmers Sorcerers and witches let mee hauesome Salt Our Sauiour Christ called his Disciples who were to season men with the word the Salt of the earth and therefore I thought I might without offence call the word of God Mat. 5.13 I meane the holy Scriptures Salt for your purpose take this And he meaning Manasseh who raigned in Iuda after his father Ezekiah did euill in the sight of the Lord 2. Chron. 33. like the abhominaons of the Heathen 2 whom the Lord had cast out before the children of Israel Hee cause his sonnes to passe through the fire in the valley of Benhinnon he gaue himselfe to witchcraft ● and to charming and to sorcery and he vsed them that had familliar spirits and sooth-sayers hee did very much euill in the sight of the Lord to anger him And the Lord spake to Manasseh and to his people but they would not regard 20 Wherfore the Lord brought vpon them the captaines of the hoast of the King of Ashur which tooke Manasseh and put him in fetters and bound him in chaines 11 and carried him to Babel You shall not vse witchcraft c You shall not regard them that vse wit-craft neither sooth-sayers Leuit. 19 26 ye shall not seek to them to bee defiled by them 31 I am the Lord your God If a man or woman haue a spirit of diuination in them or sooth-saying in them they shall dye the death they shall stone thē to death their bloud shall be vpon them In the Epistle to the Galathians witchcraft is reckoned among those deedes of the flesh that hinder vs from inheriting the Kingdome of God Gal. 5.20 Chap. Shall none in whom such workes of the flesh haue bene found be saued Salt Yes if they striue to enter in at the straite gate our Sauiour speaketh of in the 13. of Saint Luk. which is not onely to say Lord Lord or to heare a Sermon or to come to eate and drinke at the communion vnprepared but depart from iniquity to repent truely to cleaue to Christ vnfaignedly and to shew forth fruits of asound faith cōtinually but I neuer heard of any witch that thus returned The eighteenth Chapman IF you haue done with him hearken a while vnto me Salt What newes bring you Chap. I come with no newes but to end an old quarrell if it may be Salt Betwixt whom Chap. Betwixt two women the one is called of some Cathara the other for her religion is called Romana and for her outward beauty Rosamunda Salter Rosamund I haue not heard of many if any of that name but she that was famous in the dayes of Henry the