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A00597 The grand sacrilege of the Church of Rome, in taking away the sacred cup from the laiety at the Lords Table: detected, and conuinced by the euidence of holy Scripture, and testimonies of all ages successiuely from the first propagation of the catholike Christian faith to this present: together with two conferences; the former at Paris with D. Smith, now stiled by the Romanists B of Calcedon; the later at London with M Euerard, priest: by Dan. Featly, Doctor in Diuinity. Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. 1630 (1630) STC 10733; ESTC S120664 185,925 360

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expresly of the Cup Drinke yee all of this yet you denie the Laietie the Cup and giue them the Bread M. Euerard This Commandement Drinke ye all of this is giuen to all Priests and not to the Laietie D. Featly Christ giues the command of drinking to all those to whom hee giues the command of eating For he saith to the same Drinke to whom he saith before Take and eate But hee gaue the commandement of eating to the Laiety as well as to the Clergy Therefore he gaue the Commandement of drinking to the Laiety as well as to the Clergie M. Euerard He commandeth not the Laiety to eate For he speaketh here onely to the Apostles who were Priests D. Featly If Christ commandeth not the Laiety to eate then the Laietie are not bound to receiue the Communion in bread at all And consequently they transgresse not Christs Commandement in receiuing the Communion without bread M. Euerard It is in the power of the Church to take away the Bread and leaue the Laiety onely the Cup. The Laiety are not bound to receiue the Communion in Bread determinately D. Featly This neuer any held before you to my knowledge M. Euerard It is the common Tenent of Catholikes D. Featly Thus I disproue it The Laiety are bound determinately to receiue in both kinds For Christ in Ioh. 6. 53. saith Except yee eate the flesh of the Sonne of man and drinke his blood c. This place is alleaged by most of your side to proue the reall presence of Christs body in the Sacrament but if it be meant of the Sacrament it enforceth Communion in both kinds M. Euerard This place in the Iudgment of Caluin and Luther is not of force to proue the Communion in both kinds D. Featly Luther and Caluin haue no such words Although some Protestants as well as Papists are of opinion that this place is not meant of the Sacrament But if it be meant of the Sacrament it enforceth both kinds And I am sure no Protestant contradicteth M. Euerard First I answer that these words are meant disiunctiuely thus Vnlesse yee eate his flesh and that is or drinke his blood as in Saint Iohn except a man be borne of Water and the Spirit that is of Water or the Spirit D. Featly And for or a coniunction for a disiunction is a forced interpretation And the place you alleage for it maketh against you For if our Sauiours words except a man be borne of Water and the Spirit are taken disiunctiuely then that Text no way inferreth the necessity of Baptisme of Water for which it is alleaged by the best diuines euen of your owne side If a man may enter into the Kingdome of Heauen that is be borne againe either of Water or of the Spirit it is sufficient then to be borne againe of Water without the Spirit or of the Spirit without Water And consequently this place so expounded no way proueth the necessitie of Baptisme of Water or at least no more maketh a necessitie of the spirituall then of the Sacramentall Baptisme M. Euerard You know well that wee hold a threefold Baptisme fluminis flaminis sanguinis and that a man may enter into the Kingdome of Heauen that hath any of these Baptismes D. Featly I know that the Baptisme of water is not absolutely and simply necessarie but it is then onely necessarie when it may be had the wilfull neglect or contempt of it is damnable but not the ineuitable defect Baptisme is necessarie where it may bee had But if these words except a man be borne of Water and the Spirit may be meant disiunctiuely that is of Water or the Spirit this Text so glossed proueth not the necessitie of Baptisme when it may be had For it sufficeth to bee borne of the Spirit without it by your exposition which is contrary to the iudgment of the best learned diuines ancient and latter But to come backe againe to the former Text out of the sixth of Saint Iohn If you expound these words disiunctiuely except a man eate the flesh of the Sonne of Man and that is or drinke his blood then your Priests are not commanded to communicate in both kinds but in one onely But the Priests are commanded according to your owne Doctrine to communicate in both kinds Therefore these words cannot be taken disiunctiuely M. Euerard In this Text there is no commandement for Priests or people to communicate in both kinds but onely to take the body and blood of Christ into the mouth and conuey it into the stomacke D. Featly If eating and drinking be taken here properly then this Text inferreth communicating in both kinds distinctly and not onely as you expound it taking the body of Christ and his blood whether by eating onely or by drinking onely But the words of eating and drinking are to bee taken properly Therefore this Text inferreth Communion in both kinds both in Priest and people M. Euerard The words are not to be taken properly but figuratiuely D. Featly All the diuines of the Church of Rome that alleage this place of Saint Iohn to proue the reall presence say that these words except yee eate my flesh and drinke my blood are to be vnderstood properly For otherwise they could not inferre from them there reall presence M. Euerard The acts are meant figuratiuely the obiect properly in that place aboue mentioned of Saint Iohn D. Featly The acts are meant properly to wit eating and drinking which I thus proue Christ commands vs in these words to receiue the Communion as you confesse For you say they are meant of the Sacrament But the Communion is receiued by eating and drinking properly Therefore Christ commands eating and drinking properly M. Euerard I answer that though the commandement doe not fall properly vpon formall eating or drinking yet that the act formally commanded cannot be performed without formall eating and drinking Secondly I distinguish the Maior Christ commands the substance of the Communion I grant I denie that hee commands properly the manner of receiuing D. Featly Christ commands the substance of the Communion to be receiued But the substance of the Communion cannot be receiued without eating or drinking properly Therefore hee commands the act of eating or drinking properly M. Euerard If properly in the Conclusion bee applied to command then the Syllogisme is naught if it be applied to the act of eating or drinking then the conclusion is true and makes nothing against vs. D. Featly This answer contrary to the rules of disputation is giuen to the conclusion and the distinction appplied to no tearme of the premisses which should haue been done Secondly You grant that which before you denied and so contradict your selfe When I prest that those words vnlesse you eate the flesh of Christ and drinke his blood doe proue that the people are commanded to drinke as drinking is taken properly and distinguished from eating you answered that the word