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A88924 Decennium luctuosum An history of remarkable occurrences, in the long war, which New-England hath had with the Indian salvages, from the year, 1688. To the year 1698. Faithfully composed and improved. [One line of quotation in Latin] Mather, Cotton, 1663-1728.; Mather, Cotton, 1663-1728. Observable things. 1699 (1699) Wing M1093; ESTC W18639 116,504 255

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that case Minister You will compel me I see I say then The Scripture saies He that says I know Him and keeps not His Commandments is a Lyar and the Truth is not in him 'T is in 1 Joh. 2.4 Quaker And what then Minister Why this then He that says I know Jesus Christ and yet keeps not the Commandments of Jesus Christ is a Lyar and the Truth is not in him You say You know Jesus Christ But you must give me leave to say That you Keep not the Commandments of Jesus Christ Therefore pray Syrs do you help out the Conclusion I am loth to speak it You know what it is Quaker Yes yes We know well enough what Conclusion thou wouldest be at Thou wouldest say That we are Lyars and that the Truth is not in us Minister Right Since it must be so Quaker But what Commandment of Jesus Christ is there that we don't keep Minister The Commandment of Jesus Christ is For His Disciples to be Baptised with Water But you Qua●kers do not keep that Commandment of Jesus Christ Quaker How dost thou prove that Jesus Christ commanded Baptism with Water Minister I know you must have the word Water or nothing will content you Else I would have urged for a Sufficient proof our Lords Commanding His Ministers to Baptise men Matth. 28.19 This Command Expresses our Duty 'T is not our Duty to Baptise men with the Holy Spirit This belongs not unto Us but unto Him who 's that Holy Spirit is You will not say we Sin if we don't Baptise the Disciples in all Nations with the Holy Spirit So then it must be a Baptism with Water which is there Commanded by our Lord. But as I said you must have the word Water you shall have it The Apostle Peter said Quaker The Apostle Peter The Apostle Peter Thou wast to prove that Jesus Christ Commanded Baptism with Water And now Thou art come to the Apostle Peter Minister Stay Friend not so fast Will you say then that the Commandments brought by the Apostle Peter as the Commandments of Jesus Christ are not the Commandments of Jesus Christ But however I 'le mend the Expression The Spirit of Jesus Christ in the Apostle Peter Now I hope it fits you Quaker J. S. Thou art a Monster all Mouth and no Ears Minister Prethee talk Civilly Don't make me Believe that I am at Ephesus If I were in one of your Houses I would not give you such Language you had but now a greater liberty to use your Mouth than I have hitherto taken and my Ears were patient But you foresee my Argument is going to pinch you 'T is but Civility to let me Finish it Quaker Thou wast to prove that Jesus Christ Commanded Baptism with Water And thou hast not proved it And therefore thou Speakest Falsely Minister What do you mean These little Shuffles won't help you I say The Spirit of Jesus Christ in the Apostle Peter after our Lords Ascension when it was Impossible for Johns Baptism which was into the Messiah Suddenly to come not already come should have place did say in Act. 10 47. Can any man Forbid Water that these should not be Baptised which have Received the Holy Ghost Quaker How does this prove That Jesus Christ Commanded these to be Baptised with water Minister Thus If Jesus Christ had not Commanded Baptism with Water any man might have then Forbid it But no man could Forbid it Therefore Jesus Christ Commanded it Quaker Therefore Therefore Argo Argo Why Dost thou think Religion is to be proved by thy Th●●efore's by thy Argo's Minister Friend I perceive the word Therefore is a ver● dead doing sort of a Word to yee I 'le dismiss this Terrible Word I 'le only say The Reason why none could forbid Believers to be Baptised with Water was meerly Because Jesus Christ Commanded it Quaker BECAUSE Why the word Because is as bad as the word Therefore Minister Smiling It may be so But in the mean time you are wonderfully unreasonable I say why could none forbid Water for the Faithful to be Baptised Quaker Who sayes None could Forbid Water 'T is only said Can any man Forbid Water Minister I pray Syrs And is not this None can But I 'l bring the matter to bear upon you without those two Dangerous words THEREFORE and BECAUSE at which you are so terrified I will put the matter into the Form of a Question And your Answer to this Question shall put an End to our present Velitations Quaker What have we to do to Answer thy Questions Minister My Question is Whether a man might not forbid in the Worship of Jesus Christ what Jesus Christ Himself hath no way Commanded You can Answer this Question if you will I desire I demand your Answer Quaker What For us to answer thy Questions That would be to Ensnare our selves Minister I am very sensible of That Therefore take Notice You are Ensnared in the Toyls of your own miserable Delusions But still I say Answer my Question Quaker Do you see Neighbours Friend M. was to prove that Jesus Christ commanded Baptism and now he 's come to a Question Minister So I am Truly And I see 't is a Question that puts you into a Sweat I beseech you to Answer it I Require you to Answer it What shall I say I Defy you to Answer it Pardon my Cogency You Force me to ' t Quaker I say How does a Question prove That Jesus Christ commanded Baptism with Water And why dost thou Baptise Infants Minister Nay I 'le keep you to the Question Your Answer to the Question will prove it I am designing to make you your selves prove it And Sirs I do here offer to you That I will give the best Answer I can to any Question in the world that you shall put unto me why are you so loath to Answer one short Question of mine Quaker I be not obliged to Answer thy Question Minister I must contrive some fair way to Compel some Answer unto this one Question Give me leave therefore to tell you That if you do not Answer this Question you go away conquered and confounded Yea Sirs I must in Faithfulness tell you That you carry away the dreadful Mark of Hereticks upon you Even To be Condemned in your own Conscience You go away Self-Condemned That you don't keep the Commandments of Jesus Christ and Therefore That you are what you Remember the Apostle John said concerning you Quaker I don't condemn Thee for using Baptism with Water Minister This is no Answer to the Question still For you don't observe it your self neither you nor any Quakers under Heaven Wherefore I still urge for an Answer Quaker Thou art not Civil to us Is this thy Civility to Strangers We have heard a Great Fam● of thee for thy Civil and obliging carriage towards others that are not of thy perswasion But now thou are uncivil to us That which I have to say is I will