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A90872 A true and faithfull narrative (for substance) of a publique dispute between Mr. Tho. Porter, & Mr. Hen. Haggar; concerning infant-Baptism. In the parish church of Ellesmer in the county of Salop, on the 30 of April, 1656. / By one who was present at, and a diligent observer of, the debate. Porter, Thomas, d. 1667.; Haggar, Henry. 1656 (1656) Wing P2998F; Thomason E887_1; ESTC R207352 16,499 27

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