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A85071	The Faithfull narrative of the late testimony and demand made to Oliver Cromwel, and his powers, on the behalf of the Lords prisoners, in the name of the Lord Jehovah (Jesus Christ,) king of saints and nations. Published by faithful hands, members of churches (out of the original copies) to prevent mistakes, and misreports thereupon. To the faithful remnant of the Lamb, who are in this day of great rebuke and blasphemy, ingaged against the beast and his government, especially, to the new non-conforming churches, and saints in city and country, commonly called by the name of fifth monarchy men.	Horton, Hur.	1655 (1655)	Wing F278; Thomason E830_20; ESTC R207450	41,484	44

sometimes they said he was too hold and plaid the Antick like Caple and at other times to contradict themselves sufficiently they said he was so pusillanimous that he stood and trembled before them and what not c. Now although it is notoriously known by us and others that they are all most grosse forged untruths and Court devices fetcht from the Father of lies who is now more busie than ever against the Lords faithfull ones to render them odious and obnoxious yet not with any desire to vindicate his or their persons for we commend them to the God of truth in whose eyes we and thousands we think we may say in England are perswaded they are very pretious their God who is the Saints refuge especially when they be in sufferings prisons persecutions or the like for them they must look to lie under the lash of all mens tongues almost and no wonder if Mr. Rogers do now more than ever by the great man himself as well as by his creatures since that day of his Appearance before him suffer so much But the great God that heareth prayers for him and his suffering brethren will doubtlesse deliver them avenge them of their Adversaries and judge righteously as Psal 37.6 to bring forth their righteousnesse as the light and their innocency as the noon day with a Daniels Answer cap. 6.2 My God bath sent his Angel and shut the Lyons mouths that they have not hurt me Forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me yet we say for the truths sake lest the testimony should suffer We shall and must Declare against that Generation of lyers and deceivers as Apostates use to be who go about and spread abroad false reports of the wayes and People of God by Letters messengers or Pamphlets purposely to poyson poore people with-all knowing the advantage they have by our forced silence seeing we are not suffered to print or any other wayes publish the truth for our selves If it were not lawfull to commit Fornication with the Moabites to draw them to the true Religion or if it be unlawfull to steal to relieve the poore it is much more unlawful by lies obloquies or blasphemies to win the poor people to their false way Wherefore in love to the Lord Jesus and this his blessed testimony now up we bring the truth of the whole Matter of the discourse to light whereat none we hope will be offended but those that love darknes rather than light because their deeds are evill John 3. For the honest Tradesman is content to have his Wares carried into the Sun from a dim shop-board 2. It is and hath been but now more than ever since the Court-glosses have been printed and published upon it the earnest desire expectation and indeed Call of many of the Saints to have as true a Narrative of the late Testimonies as we could publish but seeing as Jer. 9.3 saith None so valliant for the truth whileft the wicked Apostates proceed from evill to evill and knowing no other are so well accommodated to undertake it as some of us who were either ear witnesses or Writers hereof we reso've to publish it and therefore have compared the papers together that were taken in Characters and have given this accompt which we believe is as well taken as could be in such a crowd and among such interruptions confusions and disturbances we do not say to every individual word point or circumstance but in all the material passages to the best of our knowledge observation or remembrance 3. It is of some concernment to all the Remnant of the Womans seed in City and Country to know how far the Remnant in London with this Testimony of Jesus and Cause have gone and are ingaged and how high it is got up now and what kind of Esau-like Spirit it is that opposes it which you may see in the History following by the variety of passages providences and occurrences and who knows but it may a little warm them that are cold and enliven them that are dead and stir up them that are drowsie and comfort them that are drooping and unite them that are differing and incourage them that are fainting whether in Churches or out in the Countries to consider their work also at this day and what it is the Lord calls them to with their poor Brethren that now suffer in the three Nations for the Lord Jesus and his Cause against the Mighty left they also by their sleepinesse and silence incur the curse Judges 5.26 which God forbid for these and many other reasons are we stirred up to this Narrative seeing as Ahab did send for Michaiah 2 Chran 18. to see if he would say Go up and prosper as his own Prophets did say to him and as Ahab said v. 15. I adjure thee say nothing but the truth which when he said he would not suffer but said as v. 25. carry him back put this fellow in prison and feed him with the bread of affliction so also was Mr. Rogers remanded to his Bonds in Lambeth with more Severity than before too Neither are we without our Temptations in this little businesse for the Lamb some of which that have assaulted us arise from fear of giving offence but when we considered our Call that was soon quelled because offence is taken and not justly given by us herein seeing we are commanded by Gods word to remove the stumbling block of Lyes out of our Brothers way We had a holy Jealousie over our own spirit till we had tried them by Gods word and the Primitive practise of Saints Apostles Prophets and holy Men inspired by the Holy Ghost who ever spake and writ boldly in the name of the Lord for the Truth Jam. 5.10 and who are our example We consider how eagerly our enemies would gape for Advantage against us should they find the least mistake and possibly they will find many for as there is no pen so there is no man without Errataes yet for the Truths-sake so far as the Copies taken in short hand and our friends have agreed in one though we confesse it cannot be published so exactly as we could wish seeing we met with so much interruption as we said before the Lord knows we have been as faithful and impartial as we could befor our lives and we blesse our gracious Father we fear not what Flesh can do unto us as long as the Lord is with us and on our side and as long as we can claim protection from Jehovah our King by Covenant interest priviledge and propriety however some censure that sit at Stern as if we were ignorant of the Covenant of grace they shall find it other wise by the grace of our God ere it be long in the mean time an honest Jury man would rather have brought in an Ignoramus than an unjust and wicked verdict but we will wait with patience till the Lord appear to deliver us and till then we apply Psal 60.4 Thou hast

Jehovah and now that God alone might have the choice of the men another time was appointed to seek the Lord and then they all agreed to take their Call by Lot given in the name of the Lord so that after solemn looking up to heaven the Lot was given from the Lap Prov. 16.33 and the 18.18 and fell upon twelve but to observe the Lords wisdome those that they in their wisdome should probably and principally have pitched upon for parts utterance and abilities were by the Lords Lot put by yet this appearing so undeniably to be of God the same twelve were fully satisfied and accepted their Call afterward they agreed to go every one with his Bible in his hand upon the Message of the Church accordingly upon the 29 of the eleventh Moneth a solemn day of Prayer was kept and they were sent out in the name of the Lord Jesus the Contents of the Message with which they were intrusted is as followeth THE MESSAGE OF THE CHURCH To O. C. by the Twelve WE are sent unto you twelve of us in the name of our Lord Jesus The Message of the Twelve Brethren and of that Church Society whereof Mr. Rogers now prisoner for the Lord Jesus at Lambeth is overseer in the holy Ghost although we be poore despised worms and the weakest and unworthiest of the Lords Number or of the Body to which we are related and although we be not so able to speak as others of our Society might have been yet after much seeking the Lord to be with us and trusting in the strength and name of our Lord Christ by which we are come out this Day after the Seal of some promises upon our spirits in the strength of the anointing we are as well as the Lord shall enable us come to deliver our Message to you from the Lord and that First Because the Lot of the Lord is cast upon us The Reasons above others Secondly Because the Lord hath chosen the poore and most despised things to confound and appear against the wise and great ones of the world 1 Cor. 1.27 Thirdly Because we are bound to sympathise with the Saints in Bonds Heb. 13.3 in the defence of the Gospel Phil. 17.14 and the Apostle blames them that stood not by him in his bonds 1 Tim. 4.16 but we are resolved by the grace of our God to own and stand by these our Brethren the faithful Servants of the most High and true and faithful Ministers of Jesus Christ who are now persecuted and imprisoned by you and your Powers Fourthly Because the Primitive Saints who had a Primitive spirit which we pray for and are in dayly expectation of spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jam. 5. and the 10. and so must we to you in the plainnesse foolishnesse and simplicity of the Gospel without any Politick studied or artificial frame of words or expressions after the wisdome of the world or the Princes of the world 1 Cor. 2.6.8 2 Cor. 2.17 therefore it is we dare not give flattering titles to any man whose breath is in his nostrils Job 32.21 22. nor come we to make our petition to man but to God we do in these matters of our Faith and Consciences Nota. for which we contend this day and for which our dear Brethren are cruelly imprisoned at Lambeth meaning our Brother Rogers and Windsor meaning Mr. Feak 1. Wherefore in the name of our Lord Jesus and of that whole Society who have intrusted us on this errand we are to DEMAND the Lords prisoners those prisoners of hope at Lambeth and Windsor as due to Christ and his Churches whom ye have so unchristianly rent and torn from us we meaning the Churches and neither we nor they know for what to this day but we are perswaded The Testimony In the prison Mr. Feak Mr. Rogers Mr. Spitle-house Col. Overton Col. Allured Adj. Gen. Allen. with many others it is for their Faith and Conscience in the truth and Testimony of Jesus Christ against the foul Apostacies and sins of the times in professours whether in Powers Priests Armies or others that have cast off the true Cause and Interest of Christ and have taken up the Creatures instead thereof which can never stand This demand we make according to Isa 42.22.2 Chron. 28.11 2. And lastly though we never yet did it in publick yet so long as you go on thus we dare not but joyn with our* suffering Brethren viz. in what prisons soever for their Consciences and this Cause of Christ and declare and testifie against you and the rest that adhere unto you whether in Power or out so long as you are the Enemies of Christ and his Cause at this day which we must do with the words of truth and sobriety Since that M. Gen. Harrison Col. Courtney Col. Rich. M. Chary imprisoned the 16 day of this Moneth besides all in other contries and Scotland those there that are like to lose their lives by bloody Trials all these with many others suffering at this day for with the Testimony of a good conscience against men that have betrayed the cause of Christ Others have been imprisoned as Mr. Vavasor Powel Mr. Jo. Simson Col. Okey c. for the Lord will rend you and all up by the Roots that are not plants of his own planting and the great God will appear ere long to confound and destroy this spirit of persecution injustice and Tyranny which the poore Non-Conforming Saints feel so sorely and we pray you consider that of Asa 2 Chron. 16. though a good man and a great General and Conquerour when once he forsook the Lord relied on an arm of Flesh and began to imprison the Lords Prophet the hand of God was against him and so on others and so will his wrath be upon you and those that belong to you if you go on thus and if God give you not a true and timely repentance of these great sins which cry day and night for vengeance against you and yours and so do thousands of the poore persecuted Saints however you are made to believe therefore we pray you see if you will yet keep the Captives of the Lord Jer. 50 33 but mark it v. 34. so Isa 29.20.21 Psal 102.17 20 21. Psal 37.32 33.34 Psal 79.11 and saith Christ What you did unto these you did unto me and Acts 9. Saul Saul why persecutest thou me so fee in Matth. 18.28 30 34. see v. 35. Isa 49 24 25. Mal. 2.11 12. Now to conclude the day of Christ is at hand which will set them free and will ere long call you and all about you to Judgment for all these things that you have done and suffered to be done against the Lord Jesus and all his Saints and for all the blood of the Saints that hath been shed against this Interest and these evil things which you have set up again to the Joy of the wicked the grief of the godly and

why came you with so many Ro. We were sent for and commanded and those that came are Christians and Church-members no wayes uncivil or disor●drly A.S. Well it s well it was no worse Ro. It was the Lord that made it so For so it was to to the late King and his court when his Messengers and Guard-men fell upon the Citizens with their swords at the gate there was his blood shed in whose name we came and he hath delivered us from your Fury and the rage of the sword for they struck with rage fury and high purpose to do more mischief than they did but it is Heb. 11. By faith they obtained promises escaped the edge of the sword c. and so-have we escaped Yours though some do bear the mark but the Lord Jesus will reward them when he comes And you see Gentlemen your sword cuts bluntly and doth little execution upon the poove fifth Monarchy men though they be but naked and unarmed and it may be this businesse will be ominous to you in this place A.S. We wonder to see so many women and what they meant Ro. And are ye so fearfull It may be it is true then what we hear that the barking of a dog lately running about the yard gave you a very great alarm seeing the sight of a few women hath frighted you so pitifully as to draw your swords upon them and hurt them alas poor hearts you are pitifully affrighted it seems what would you have done then at the sight of weapons if a few white aprons makes you flie to your swords and Halberds but by and by came a Gentleman Messenger to Mr. Rogers saying that his Lord was at leasure to speak with him but the Keeper at the doore suffered none to go in with him save whom they listed One of the Twelve that was sent for going in with Mr. Rogers a Guard-man standing by took him by the shoulders in a very Hostile manner and tore his cleak off his back and abused him but Mr. Rogers and three or four more went into the Chamber where their Great Master was to whom some of his Court-Sycophants had told such tales as they used to do to justifie themselves and complained first which is the Machiavillian Policy and Principle as if we had intended a tumult which was a thing our souls abhorred and a most impudent untruth for there was not one had a weapon or staffe with them or spake one uncivil word but after Mr. Rogers with three or four more were brought into the Room by Serjeant Dendy the Great man had with him two Gentlemen more who stood by the fire-side and a Pistol lay prepared at the Window where he himself at first was then he came to the fire-side in great Majesty without moving or shewing the least civility of a man though all stood bare to him and gave respect by and by he spake and bid one call in two or three more of the Church-Saciety or of the Twelve that had been with him before when the DEMAND was made whiles they were gone for them saith he O.C. I sent for some of you Mr. Rogers and some more of the Church but you bring with you about 250 men to make tumults and risings therefore send them away or I will not speak one word to which Mr. Rogers answered and to give him a civil respect said my Lord Ro. You are ruled much by informations which you take upon the reports of them about you whether true or fulse which brings the Lords people into so much trouble by you but there is no such matter O.P. Hi You will talk I see although it be nothing to purpose who speaks to you with that he turns to one of his Creatures saying What say you is there not so many Servant His Servant answered yes and it please your Highnesse there 's above 100. below and it is to be feared they might have made a Tumult Ro. If they must be believed they must yet this I may say I think there are not thirty men that belong to us and besides they are all peaceable Christians related to us in the Faith of the Gospel all unarmed apprehending your order and command to reach them and they are onely those with us as have been this day together seeking the face of the Lord and now according to your Order at four a clock attending here But by this time Company was coming in apace into the room The Room fills with the Courtiers at both doores but all were Court-Creatures to the number of fourscore or more as we conceive either of the Councel Army men Lawyers and Counsellours or of his Creatures that were his Ministers or new made Gentlemen or the like but not one of them related to Mr. Rogers or that Church-Society till at last with much adoe two or three more were crowded in of them but all the rest were left waiting below in the Yard abused scoffed hissed and whooted at by some of the Souldiers as will appear by and by O.P. I promised to send for you He begins his long Speech with manifest reproaching and manifold untruths for some of your friends came and spake sharply to me as it I had Apostated from the cause of Christ and persecuting godly Ministers naming Mr. Rogers and Mr. Feak and spake other things that were sharp enough you might have had patience in your words Now you have liberty to speak to those things but do not abuse your liberty you told me Mr. R. suffered son the Gospel I told you he suffered as a Railer s a Seducer and a Busie Body in other mens matters and a stirrer up of sedition which Rulers led by just principles might suppress I told you Mr. Rogers suffered justly and not for the Testimony of Jesus Christ and indeed in some degree it is Blasphemy to call suffering for evil doing suffering for the Gospel and if he suffers for Reailing and despising those that God hath set over us to say this his suffering ● for the Gospel is making Christ the Patron of such things but if it were suffering for the Gospel something might have been said yet not so much as saying uncharitably he suffered for evil-doing so that I say this is the thing in Scripture and if we shew you that you suffer for transgression then you abuse that Scripture which I have often thought on that it is to make a man an offendor for a word I wish it were better understood in the plainnesse of the spirit for to interpret that Scripture it was the evil of those times And is it not the evil of these Times so that he is condemned out of his own mouth as in Luk. 19.22 which was to he in wait for words on purpose to catch at words without actions and that is a finne but some words are actions and words are conjugall with actions for actions and words are as sharp as swords and such things I

charge you with and you suffer not for the testimony of Jesus Christ I speak God is my witnesse I know it that no man in England does suffer for the Testimony of Jesus * It seems when he said so be called God to witnesse M. Rogers tiffed up his hand and his eyes appealing to witnesse also at which Posture he was offended nay do not lift up your hands and your eyes for there is no man in England which suffers so there are those that are far better than Mr. Rogers though comparisons are not good and not near his principles yet if they should suffer for the Testimony of Jesus But there is such Liberty I wish it be not abused that no man in England suffereth for Christ and it is not your Fancy you must bring strong words to acquaint me of your sharp expressions After he had spake and all were silent Mr. Rogers desired to know of him whom he expected to reply whether himself or some other the answer to who would Rogers Do you expect me to answer I will promise this before I speak further I have been twenty seven weeks a prisoner my brother Feak above a year and there hath been no Charge against me but now I am brought before you I desire to know in what capacity I stand before you as a Prisoner or as a Freeman as a Christian to a Christian with equall Freedome that others have or as a slave O P. A Prisoner is a Free man as Christ hath made you free and so you are a Free man Ro. It s true indeed my Lord and yet I must say as some Gentlemen here present know I did before I was imprisoned and when they would have had me meet in Colemanstreet to discourse our Principles upon which we suffer that it is unreasonable to desire it at the disadvantages we meet with seeing they who are our Antagonists have the advantage of a Law new made Mr Rogers told him that Ordinance making Treason for words was such us Q. Mary her self as bloody as she was would abhor as appears in Hollinshed in the 1. year of her reign which made their Tyranny worse than the Roman Tyranny which they call an Ordinance of Treason to lash us with as a Master hath his rod in his hand over-awing his School-boyes so that it is a very unjust and unequall thing that they should speak as Free men and we as slaves under an over-awing but if that Law be repealed though but pro tempore during such debates and we be restored to our just and equal liberty with the Adversaries so as to engage on even ground we are ready to argue it with them when and where they will but till then it is unreasonable for every word we speak may be a snare to us O P. I know not what snare may be in this Are you so afraid of Snares what need you fear that will speak so boldly Ro. I blesse the Lord I fear them not nor the force of any men or Devils in these matters of my Faith and Conscience for which I suffer yet I should be loath to run into Snares which Disputes have been to the people of God for Stephen Acts 6. before he was tryed for his life he was first ensnared by Disputes and then brought to the Councel tryed and arraigned for his life and they murthered and destroyed him and in Queen Maries dayes before they put any to death they begun it cunningly with ensnaring discourses in the Convocation-house and so gathered matter to take their lives away and murther them O P. You are afraid of Snares and advantages taken for your life when there is no such thing but I tell you upon your Friends Petition I sent for you to saisfie them that you suffer as an evil-doer Ro. Say you so my Lord that is more than ever I heard before nor dare I take this liberty upon that account of Petitioning for it but that I believe the Lord will help me by his own Spirit to answer as indeed I have not studied a Form of words for you though you have prepared Matter * That they seemed to do all this in justice and by appeal and free Courts At this they were next and look on one another against me I hear but I am in the strongth of the anointing ready to answer O. was troubled at that word and said Preparation ha what but it is well known what for several dayes were the Informations some lay on the Table a gathering against him and the prisoners put in for plotting had by one Measie a Charge to get all their papers reade upon the 30. day of the 11. month last who were very busie to get them and are we bear a gathering more for when Mr. Rogers is forced to preach out at the Window to the Members of the Church and those that come to bear him these wicked and bloody beast-like men have liberty to come into a room under him to write what they can catch or forge or patch together though all the week long they are in an other room at the further end of the house day and night singing swearing ranting drinking fidling blaspheming day and night to go out in the night yea without a Keeper to carry on the designe O.P. Ab we know you are ready enough Ro. Yea although I have made no other preparation than Faith in the promises however some may scoffe at them yet I have I blesse the Lord the comfort of them and hope I shall have the benefit of that promise which I have the Seal of in my heart in Mat. 10. Take no care what to say for in that houre shall it be given unto you therefore I doubt not but to speak to you and them about you in the name of the Lord Jesus and in the demonstration of his holy Spirit be was interrupted O.P. Take head you do not abuse the Scripture if you be such a Disciple then that promise shall be made good unto you and then you may say you suffer for Christ Ro. I doubt not but that will appear that I am his Disciple who made me that promise and if we be not able to make it out to unbyassed man that we suffer for Christ and a good conscience sake by Gods holy word then chop off my h●ad but indeed my Lord we can clear it to all the World would they hear us and not handle us so roughly as you do for we have had a very dangerous passage to you this day an ardua via through Swords and Halberds O. P. Indeed sayes he 〈◊〉 a scoffe and I pray who was wounded Ro. It was a mercy there were no more hurt though many were bruised beaten and hurt and among others my Wife but who the rest be as yet I know not O. P. No so I think but I have no time to dispute those things Ro. Why then I say as I said before my way must

blood of Jezreel shall be upon the house of Jehu though Jehu did obey the Lord in doing Justice on Ahab and Jezabel yet because he fell into the same predicament of sin walking in the same steps of evil which Ahab walked in the very blood of them sell upon his head O.P. Your spirit is to Judge but I regard not your words look you to your Conscience and I will look to mine yet for that of Jehu Why what was that for it was for fear lest the people should go back again to the House of David and so he was running into the story of Jeroboam and to Jerusalem but he was corrected Then Kiffen said it is so then said Mr. Rogers it is not so of Jehu but of Jeroboam which he speaks of then he corrected himself and said well but Jehu can you parallel it now Why his heart was hypocriticall and by policy clave to the same sin of his Predecessors and Baal again to please the people Ro. True my Lord and is it not so now O.P. Hah saith he and turned about to his Army men and so he spake of the Army too what can you say of them Ro. I say they are an Appostate Army that have most perfidiously betrayed the cause of Christ broken their faith in so many Declarations and Engagements and are odious to the Saints yea the very name of them will be odious to the children that are yet unborn With that the Army-men for many Officers were by were sorely vexed some grating their teeth and laying heads together O.P. I tell you saith he in a chafe I tell you and you that they have kept them all to a tittle not one of you can make it appear that they have broke one Declaration or Engagement or a tittle of one prove it if you can any of you Ro. Mr. Rogers did earnestly presse for liberty to instance in some and with much ado said My Lord if you would have patience I would instance in many they scoff again O.P. Am I impatient then let them that stand by see nay it is you are so full like the Pamphleters Ro. They that write Pamphlets now never printed more lyes and blasphemies since the world stood O.P. I think so too Ro. But my Lord if you please to let me speak for if I be extream is not passio concupiscibilis as we see in some men who speak all for themselves whilest we seek onely for Christ and his kingdome but rather a passio irascibilis which it may is my weaknesse but sure it is my indignation to sin and self and that which I see set up instead of Christ but if you * For there were many postures 〈◊〉 actions tending to disturb and interrupt him will give me leave I will instance in Declarations as that in 47. for one page 9. where they Declare against any Authority or Absolute power in any Person or Persons what soever during life saying the people so subjected were meere Slaves and that you would not have it so in any no not in any of your own Army or of your own Principles nor yet of whom you might have most personall assurance and that it was no resisting of Magistracy to side with just principles and much more to that purpose Besides in severall others as in Albans and that when the Army went to Scotland against the Clergy and Tithes But Master Rogers was interrupted and not suffered to insist on any others O.P. And who Hear me Who Who I say bath broken that Where is an Arbitrary or Absolute power nay hear me Where is such a Power Ro. Is not the Long-sword such By what Law or Power are we put into prison my brother Feak above these 12 months I above 28 weeks and several others of our Brethren and we know not for what to this day which I say again is worse yea worse then the Romane Law And is not this Arbitrary And is not your Power with the Armies Absolute to break up Parliaments and do what you will But if you please let me instance in others But they would not suffer him One of the Army some say L.C. W. Sir saith he to Mr. Ro. you say the Army have broken all their Engagements Ro. Yea every one of them and if they make another Declaration they will hardly be believed again by good people L.C. W. But I pray by what Rule do you resist Powers set up of God Ro. Sir you are mistaken we do not resist such as are set up of God but we resist sin in all men and as Luther said Invaniar sane superbus c. I may be accounted proud mad or any thing but be it so ne modo impii silentii arguar dum Christus patitur rather then I be guilty of the sin of Silence * But Mr. Ro. was interrupted and forced to break off whiles O. P. proceeded O. P. Now for the Army they are resolved not to rest till they have performed all they engaged and they are about it as fast as they can do it in order And much to that purpose he spake But then Mr. Her desired to speak B. Her I desire to speak a word O. P. Well do Mr. Her That Gentleman meaning L.C. W. asked by what Rule we resist powers We desire then to be satisfied by what Rule you resisted the King and warred against him and his adherents and destroyed the Governments before seeing they were accounted too a lawful Authority And consider how much blood cries under the Altar How long O. Lord holy and true O. P. Would undertake to answer by a long Narrative of the peoples grievances the Kings absolute power and his seeking to destroy his subjects till they were forced to take up Arms for their own defence so that it was a defensive War and the former powers had broken their Engagements and forfeited their trust Much more was spoken by one or other thereto But saith he looking upon Mr. Ro. Ha! O. P. I see he is full to speak Ro. Yea. my Lord I am for ex concessis our controversie is decided and the Case is plain on our side and seems so now more then even The Controversie cleared out of their own mouthes for do not the poor people of God seel a Preragative-interest now up As the old Non conformists or the good old Puritans were persecuted imprisoned reproached and denied protection from men and therefore were forced to flie to God by faith and prayer and tears day and night 1. not ceasing till the vial of wrath was poured out upon the beads of the King and his Prelates so I say the new Non-conformists are abused disowned and denied protection persecuted imprisoned banished and forced day and night yea thousands of them in City and Country to their faith tears prayers and appeals which are the Bombar da Christianorum and will prevail as sure as God is in heaven to bring down the next hot scorching vial of