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A77972 The vvalls of Ierico razed down to the ground. Or, An answer to a lying book, called the Quaking principles dashed in peices [sic]: wherein one called Henoch Howett, which goes under the name of an Anabahtist [sic], doth falsely accuse, and maliciously belye us; his seven principles which he calls ours, I shall lay down, and what we own is vindicated, and what he hath belyed the truth in, is turned upon his own head. / By one who is zealous for the name of the Lord of Hostes, called Edward Burrough. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing B6056A; ESTC R170173 16,554 17

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written and further thy envy and shame is made manifest that thou would accuse and yet thou saith whatsoever they call the word it is perfectly false and not truth here thou would judge and yet thou cannot tell what we call the Word but at last concludes its false whatever it be and here thou blasphemes and cals Christ Jesus in whom is all truth false for no other word I own but Christ and the Scripture speaks of no word of God but one and thou that would make the Letter the Word it self shall judge thee and thou makes much mincing and arguments in thy carnal reason and saith the ground of error is ignorance of the Scripture and thou brings Mark and Matthew alas I know what Mark and Matthew wrote is true if thou had an ear to hear the ground of all error is because he is not known nor his voice whom the Scripture bear record of and thou saith we drive men into darkness that works upon people to disesteem the Scripture and perswades people to an uslessness of the Scriptures let all that have heard us in the City of London or elsewhere speak if they heard us say the Scriture was usless or did disesteem it but on the contrary we exhorted them to search if the Scripture did not bear witness to those things we declared and so let shame cover thy face thou falfe accuser and thou brings 2 Tim. 3.17 that it is for the perfecting the man of God and that its profitable to correct and instruct this is owned but it s not the man of God thou would have perfected by it but such hirelings as thy self hath been and false accusers as thou art and I say it is profitable to us to reprove thee and correct thee and read thy portion a lyars portion is in the lake and as Rom. 15.4 it s not denyed but as Christ Iesus is witnessed who is the Comforter whlch the Scripture bears witness of there is comfort and hope and thou saith the Scripture proves the New birth and teacheth perseverance to the end it bears testimony of some that did witness the New birth and that persevered unto the end but what is this to thee that never came one step in th● way and as for promises there is no promise but condemnation in the Scripture in such as thee and read it the lyar and false accuser and the envious shall not inhererit the Kingdom of God and their own thy promise and thy portion 2. Particular which thou cals a mistake that is speaking to a thing within thee I would fain know what can be meant of the thing within men for there is nothing to be spoken to in man but man Answ Here thy igno●ance shame and envy is made manifest that thou that hath pretended to be a Minister and a Pastor of a Church and cannot tell what thou hath spoke to what hath thou ministered to the wind or hast thou ministered to the devil and preached glad tidings to him who is in the transgression and free grace to him that hath walked contrary to God it is so and therefore thou and al● who are in that nature knows not what you speak and therefore none hath been at all profited by your Ministery and blessed be the Lord that its hid from the eyes of the wise and revealed to babes and thy envious spirit is seen that it is of thy father the Devil who is the accuser of the Brethren that would lay a thing down as an error and tels of dashing in peices our principles and yet knows not what it is nor what we speak dost thou accuse and knows not for what let shame cover thy face that ever thou should put pen to paper or speak of God or Christ and speaks thou knows not what and th●n thou hath hatched a thing and concludes there is nothing in man to be spoken to but man and before thou knew not and so art in confusion for Christ and his Apostles always spoke to man thou saith the Apostle saith he went and ministered to the Spirits in prison and to open the blind eye and to raise the dead and the dead should hear the voice of the Son of God and live and he preached liberty to the captive and is given for a covenant to open the blind eyes and unstop the deaf ears and make the lame to walk if thou hast an ear thou may hear but not to feed thy serpents wisdom do I speak I will shut thee out for into it thou cannot enter but through death and death wrote the book and the Apostles were made manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of God and the slothful servant had a talent given to improve which was anothers and not his own and that was required of him and that will God require of man and unto that we speak which hears us and shall witness us eternally even that which is not in the transgression neither is of man but is given to man to improve and ye● is not far from man but this is a mysterie and it shall be sealed for without a parable spoke he not to such as thou art and I know this is a parable but in the end thou saith thou knows not how they can speak to any light in man distinct from him unless they speak unto Satan or some of his legions here again thy shame and ignorance is made manifest we speak to the ear and the eye in man which the God of the world hath blinded and this is not of man and yet is not far from man but distinct that is thy own word I do not own it bring forth the blind that hath eyes and the deaf that hath ears did the Prophets speak to the devil in man we speak to the witness of God in man and according to this shall all be judged if thou hast an ear thou may hear oh thou blasphemer dost thou call that which may be known of God which is manifest on Rom. 2. dost thou call this a Legion of Devils even that which declares the eternal power and Godhead but thou art he that calls the Master of the house Beelsibub and in that nature thou art and the Lord will rebuke 3. Principle That thou cals a mistake that is the denying the use of reason in the matters of God calling it serpentine Answ The world by wisdome knowes not God and all the disputing and twining and lavishing of the wisdome of man and that which thou cals reason it is corrupted and is shut out and who lives in that nature are the unreasonable men that hath not faith now he that hath not faith hath not reason and he that hath faith hath the witness in himself but I see thee thy witness is without thee and so thou speaks unreasonably and all that would understand the mysteries of the Kingdome must come through death for light shines in darkness but darkness cannot comprehend it and therefore one
seals them adding thy own imaginations upon them and wresting them to thy own destruction being one unlearned in the way of God and in the doctrine of Christ And whereas thou sayest and thus you see how these men deny the Lord that bought them if they deny the body that was crucified for them I answer We deny not the Lord that bought us for by him can we say we have received the end of his coming and of his death and ascension even he hath purchased us and set us free from the power and Kingdome of the Divel of lyes and slanders and false accusations after us by whom the Man-child is brought forth and this shall stand for thy own condition who art a wandring star and hath no habitation in the heavens God will plead with thee thou who hast set thy self against the Lord in slandring and reviling his servants Now to thy fift Particular That we deny the Ordinances of Christ in which thou sayest we also deny the Lord that bought us Answ The way unto God and unto everlasting life which is Christ Iesus we deny not but are true witnesses that same Christ alone which was crucified at Ierusalem and which God hath raised from the dead and which is ascended in him alone is salvation and by him also alone are all justified that believe in him and this we declare freely unto all people that Christ is the Ordinance of God ordained by him for the salvation of all that believe and for the condemnation of all that believe not in him and that the way unto this Christ is not any outward visible thing but even that which is manifested from him leads up unto him even the light by which he hath lightned every one that cometh into the world which is spiritual as Christ is spiritual and whereas thou sayest there is nothing that Christ commanded but we deny it mentioning onely your Baptism and your Breaking of Bread which is your Idol and your Image you bow unto the one Baptism which is by one Spirit into one Body into the death of Christ we are witnesses of and the bread which we break is the Communion of the body of Christ and we being many are one bread but the beggerly rudiments of the world we testifie against being witnesses of the substance and your taken on practices in that nature which is contrary unto Christ from the words and commands of Christ unto them that followed him we also testifie against and in it you are found among the Papists which walks by tradition and not from the motion of the Spirit of God and here thou art found a lyar for the commands of Christ is our life our joy and our peace and glory and hereby we know that we love him because we keep his commandments and they are not grievous unto us which is not received by tradition from without us but by the eternal Spirit Christ Iesus revealed in us which is not contrary to his commands without but a fulfilling of them for he is not a Iew who is one outwardly whose praise is of men neither is the obedience which Christ doth require a conforming the outward man unto an outward thing which obedience is your boasting onely and there onely your difference lieth from all the world in the outward appearance Pharisee-like but the ground of enmity and seat of the beast is standing within and you are twofold more the children of the divel and Go● is risen to confound you and to break your Image to pieces and he shall have the praise of God who is the Iew inward whose obedience and Circumcision is inward and who have no confidence in the flesh and whereas thou exhorts to hear one loving reproof out of the Scripture which their predecessors I mean the Papists thou sayest would have taken from us in the English tongue and these would take from us the vertue of i● that is to say the sharpness and sweetness of it by working upon us a dislike to it I answer we do deny thy voice and though thou may bring Scripture in thy mouth to us it is but as the divel brought to Christ and we deny it from thee for if thou say God lives thou swears falsely and the Papists they are thy predecessors who walks onely by tradition as thou dost from a thing without them separate from the life and both them and thee we do deny and bears witness against you to be without God in the world in the alienation out of the Covenant knowing nothing of him but what you have heard by a fame and a report and that we in the least would take from any the vertue of the Scripture it is a lye uttered by the divel in thee for we testifie unto all that it shall every tittle be fulfilled even upon the ungodly and thou shall know it one day to be fulfilled upon thee thou lyar must be cast into the lake that burns for ever and this is the sharpness and sweetness which you must have from it who art a false accuser of the Brethren bearing the Image of the Dragon the Divel whose servant thou art as it is manifest by thy writing and this many will witness with us that oft we do declare upon the just and the unjust the Scripture must be fulfilled and the righteous must have a reward and the ungodly must have their portion in outer darkness according as the Scripture saith and herein we establish the Scripture in its place to be a true declaration of God and Christ and what the righteous and the wicked shall enjoy but that it is God and Christ or the way unto life we deny it for this is its vertue a declaration of that which the Saints believed and he that witnesses the same life and truth which it testifies of to be made manifest in him is a witness of it and it is a witness unto him and this is the vertue of i● if thou hast an ear thou may hear and that we work upon any a dislike of the Scriptures I charge thee to be a lyar for to the fulfilling and establishing of it we declare that every one may walk up in the life of it by that which gave it forth and to be a true witness of it as they were that spoke it but thee and all such we do deny which adds your imaginations upon it to sell for money and whereas thou sayest by way of Query to us hath the Scripture no power over you have you a spirit to guide you without a written word it is out of Gods government if it cannot be brought to the Law and to the Testimony I answer Iesus Christ onely hath power over us and not a Letter without us and the spirit by which we are guided is no other but that which gave forth the Scripture which spirit is the Word of God and which spirit the Scripture bears witness unto and this we often say if we speak or
act contrary to the Scripture let us be judged by the Scripture and we as Paul did do commend all that shall search the Scripture to try whether these things be not so which we declare and herein we are under the government of God who alone hath power over us but you who hath not the same spirit which gave forth the Scripture neither knows it nor us but out of the evil corrupt ground thou judges of it as thou dost of us and both thy judgement of it and us is to be judged by the eternal light of Christ which never erreth nor changeth and whereas thou sayest we may be familiar spirits for ought thou knowest what muttering and uncouth howling is among us which you cannot but impute to be a spirit contrary to the Word if we will not come to the Word to be tryed I answer it is true thou knows us not for we are unknow to thy generation though you have the Scripture which our life and practices are witness of as Christ was unknown to the Pharisees who had the Scripture which he came to fulfil and thou art ignorant of the Scripture and a scorner of the power of it who cals the power of the Lord uncouth howling what would you have said concerning David who lay roaring all the day long even as a man distracted and concerning Habakkuk whose belly trembled and whose lips quivered when he heard the voice of God but here you are made manifest who scorns that which the Scripture bears witness of and never knew what it was to be pricked to the heart as they were which cryed out what shall we do to be saved and if thou canst thou may try by the Scripture whether this be any other but that which the Scripture speaks of and not the same spirit which made the servants of God to quake and tremble which the Scripture speaks of which this day is become a reproach even unto them that profess the Scripture for by the word of God which the Scripture declares of shall all flesh tremble and be confounded and then thy self shall be judged into the lake that burns for ever except thou repent and whereas thou sayest how shall you do to try the spirits if we deny both the written word which is your rule and reason to for we appeal from both Answ Art thou not ashamed to say the Scripture is thy rule who art found a lyar and a false accuser thy rule shall try thee and shall bear witness against thee when God judgeth thee by Je●us Christ for neither by the Scripture nor thy corrupt reason canst thou know the things of God who art a natural man in the fall in the world without God but again I say let any try us in our lives and in our practices and if we speak or act contrary to the Scripture judge us by it but thy eye is blinded and when thou seest the Scripture fulfilled even crying out as a woman in travel thou cals it uncou●h howling and a spirit contrary to the Scripture and how art thou able to try who art blind and deaf in the mysterie of the Kingdome of God for thy reason must never enter unto God but is shut out and in seeing thou sees not and in hearing thou dost not understand and upon thee herein is the Scripture fulfilled And whereas thou sayest we will not have Christ to rule over us for we deny both his Person and Word which is the rule of life and love I answer O thou lyar God shall judge thee let shame cover and let thy own conscence convince thee for thy lies and slanders against the innocent Christ Iesus is our head and we are of his body and his word is sweet unto us even our life and rule of life and by him we see thee to be an enemy to him and from him I judge thee not his word but the spirit of the Divel is thy rule for he is the ruler and father of lies and lyars and thy portion thou must have with him in the lake and what thou sayest of us it shall stand for thy own condition thou wilt not have Christ to rule over thee who lives in thy lust and carnal mind without the fear of God which Christ comes to destroy in all that witness him and whereas thou sayest in the name of God thou proclaims that those men that disown the written Word are not spiritual men they may have the spirit of Antichrist Answ Thou hast nothing to proclaim from God but as the false Prophets had other men words and also I say if thou find any that disown the Scripture we also disown such and do say they are not spiritual men but hath the spirit of Antichrist and of this number thou art guided by the spirit of Antichrist who art a lyar and a false accuser which is contrary to the spirit of Christ and art without faith and so art unreasonable in the corrupt reason without pure and undefiled reason and whereas thou sayest who but the spirit of Antichrist durst countermand the commands of our Law-giver the Lord Iesus Christ I answer the commands of Christ is spiritual and in and by the spirit and not traditional from the Letter without and Antichrist m●y conform to the command without as the Pharisees did and yet be an enemy to the life and substance of his commands and this is thy own condition as it was the Pharisees who said he destroyed the Law which came to fulfil it as thou sayest we make void and deny the commands of Christ when as we are witnesses of them and directs all into the fulfilling of them and thy spirit here is tryed to be the spirit of Antichrist the same which was in them that persecuted Christ and thou rails and slanders his members and whereas thou sayest there were never any men appeared in the world so like those that Peter speaketh of in his second Epistle and these desire to overthrow the writings of the spirit of God I answer Peter spoke of such as thou art for a cloud carried about wi●h the Tempest thou art and a Well without water and defiles the flesh and dispises the Saints digni●y and speaking great swelling words of vanity while thou thy self art a servant of corruption serving the Devil by lying and falsely accusing and that we desire to overthrow the writings of the Spi●it of God thou art a lyar for we go about to establ●sh it and declares of him who is the substance of it and God will reward thee according to thy deeds who also accuses us of unseemly kissing in Glasiers-Hall thou sayest if Mr. Pope do not belye us I answer this is another lye which proceeds from thee let all the honest hearted which ever hath frequented our assembly at that place testifie against thee and Mr. Pope and your father the Divel whom by lying you serve and that no unseemly actions have proceeded from us but soberness and