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A67003 A short letter modestly intreating a friends judgement upon Mr. Edwards, his booke he calleth an Anti-apologie, with a large but modest answer thereunto framed, in desire, with such evennesse of hand, and uprightnesse of heart, as that no godly man might be effended at it : and with soule-desire also, that they, who are contrary-minded, might not be offended neither, but instructed. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675.; Hartlib, Samuel, d. 1662. 1644 (1644) Wing W3502; ESTC R18279 37,876 40

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Selah There is a river whose floods are butter and honey strong consolations the streames whereof shall make glad the City of God Selah The floods are listed up the floods have lifted up their voice when ye have these repetitions you have a great observation before your eye The floods lift-up their waves Be not afraid at all this remember the LORD Who is GREAT The LORD on high is mightier then the noise of many waters the mighty waves of the sea that is He is a Rock This Rock answers all Objections The Rock of Ages b in Him is everlasting strength A ground sure and stable whereon to build everlasting confidence Let us doe our duty fall close to our work keepe close to our Rock strong in Him through the power of His might Amen Thus Sir I have given Answer to your Letter with strong desire and endeavour all along to render it sutable to the good word of God to the rule and method of Charity there to the example and practise of Gods best servants there and every where and best agreeing with the sweetnesse of your spirit wholy spent in the persuance of Truth and Peace Now the God of Truth and Peace leade us into all Truth give us peace by all meanes Amen Sir I am Your most affectionate Friend and indeed obliged servant for your faithfull labour and unwearied paines in the worke and service of the Gospell HEZEKIAH WOODWARD From my house in Aldermanbury 12. Aug. 1644. To the Reader NOw thou mayest reade the Books thou hast haply heard much spoken against and mayest now give thy judgement thereupon If before thou hadst so done thou mightest now judge thy selfe for being too hasty in so doing The Booke had gone abroad a fortnight sooner had I not desired heartily and accordingly prepared to affix unto it some after-lines the issue and result of after-thoughts But these were not thought seasonable not now to t●● art and crosse 〈…〉 other setting judgement against judgement and standing single to many and those Divines at Sion which yet my conscience tels 〈◊〉 I could doe and yet maintaine the peace of Zion and the bands of the brotherhood whole and entire But the contrary war feared and thereupon judiciously I speaks from my heart concluded with strong reference to our LORDS practise in a different case least we should offend them who would Mat. 17. 〈◊〉 not be offended That the after-lines must perish as an untimely birth or lye at the place of the breaking-forth of such children the conceptions and issue of our thoughts formed and made legible to the world so a bar was put-in against them Be it so and best content I am it should bb so rather then any the least and just offence should be given to them who indeed should not be offended Only this I would take leave to say The searcher of all hearts knowes That what by His assistance I have done in the former or the after-work I have done all not to please or displease any man And therefore if men had been displeased that was the feare they are but men As I cannot be carelesse of it so I cannot be carefull about it for my testimony is with-in and my witnesse above That All I did was done to please God In strong references to His glory The beating-out the way of Christ The making His Government upon His shoulders glorious before our eyes The composing these sa●d differences amongst us in speciall th●se th●n have been occasioned by Mr Edwards his Books The rendring him more gracefull to his people his gifts and graces also more usefull to the Church in after-time And that if the Brethren have walked as men or as it is suggested then that they should be humbled for so walking give glory to God take diligent care to make their watch the stronger that they doe so no more And that they stand no longer at a distance as it is conceived they due with those who love them next to their own soules But rather to communicate to us whose debtors also they are their Scripture light whereby we may more cleerely discerne into their so questioned way of Church-Governement That so the Truths there being cleered The errors there beaten-out the one may be embraced th' other rejected As all these things before spoken were the very bent and true intention of my soule so helpe me God Amen I will close with the Apostles words because I would leave them fixed upon our hearts Stand ye fast in one spirit with one mind striving together for the faith of the Gospell And in nothing terrified by your adversaries a a Phil. 1. 27 28. No though they are high now yet be not terrified God is still above them and we are not so low but an Almighty hand can raise us up againe And if we are at the lowest now then now be not terrified encouraged rather now for now will the hand of the Lord be stretched-out to work a glorious deliverance even now now now so often repeated in one verse to assure us That God is then neerest to His people when they are at the lowest ebb of misery and farthest off from His adversaries when they are at the highest pinnacle of their seeming prosperity Now I will up saith the LORD A gracious promise we must looke unto it and 〈◊〉 upon it The word is never more comfortable then now now that the workes and providences of God stand crosse thereunto and Gods hand is rough and heavy upon the loynes of his servants Then the voice is sweetest when the hand is heaviest b b When the Church is up and the Adversaries are down then seise has matter to feed upon But when as now the Adversaries seem to be high and the Church low then there is aboundant matter ●i●h ●…ses for Faith to feed on A. Yea but now is the Adversaries day for mirth and laughter they are gladded to the heart now in the day of their King we can see them drunk with joy and with wine too * * This is the manner of the Malignants rejoy●ing on the 〈◊〉 of their King To take their fill of the creature so as to 〈◊〉 the reason to a drunkennesse in the day time As five roarers were found to be the last Lords day Sept. 9 and paid for their drunkennesse what the Law commanded them and their Hostis And one kissed the stocks to teach him more and then reaching forth their hands with scorners Hos. 〈◊〉 5. B. Let them laugh it is their day they think and they know not That their day is comming Give them leave to be merry but not to be drunk it is the houre of their joy and but for an houre He that laughs anon laughs too sayes the Proverb But we must laugh manners and render him more sober man now and be heartily merry after a godly sort now for now we see their day is comming a a Psal.
shall heare of the patience of Job Whatsoever things are lovely of good report if there be any virtue if any praise this you shall heare from the tongues and pens of good men for they thinke on these things And indeed it is according to a notable rule in Heraldry I can but point to it a But it is the more notable because it is according to the rule in the word the mind of God and of all His people I humbly conceive now let my betters give their judgement This Rev. brother hath gone cleane thwart to this rule for whatever things are I will not say untrue dishonest unjust unpure unlovely of bad report If any errour 〈◊〉 swerving from the rule if any dishonour he thought of these things and hath spoken to all the world that will heare them A great transgression sure what have his bretheren delivered no truths nothing honest nothing just nothing pure nothing lovely nothing of good report what not any vertue in them not any thing praise-worthy surely if there be but no man makes it a question he should have thought on these things A. So he doth he exalteth them very high and praiseth them in fine straines of Rhetorick B. He doth indeed he lifteth them-up high that he may throw them downe with a witnesse he praiseth their learning and I know not what But Sir there is an art of praising so to praise men that thereby a man may sharpen a reproach make it enter and stick the faster Such an art there is A. The same may be said of you that you have the same art to commend a man for his gifts but with such an exception as shall disgrace him the more B. What I have said I have said heartily his gifts are of pretious account with me that they may be of the same use to the Church of God I shall tell him how just my exceptions are in his commendations I remember Cicero writing to his brother Qui●tus wisheth that he could heare him commended without an exception It is my desire also but so saith he I cannot heare All say of you that you are a good man but all say you are an angry man so much I must say The Anti-Apolog a good man no doubt but a man of no good spirit sure a great deale too hasty and too easily stirred This shall be concluded from the premises as the result of all that went before That he hath not shewen forth GODS Spirit but his own spirit in his Booke That is the point and thus I cleare it He did omit a Christian duty towards his brethren before he put forth his Booke He should have spoken with them before first more privately then more publikely and have kept-in his Booke longer I take it from Gods word the Rule of charity also so he stood bound to doe to convent his brethren in a private way first before he set them upon the stage before all the world A. No That rule is to be understood of private offences Had the Apologists offended Mr Edwards only he had dealt with them according to his Scripture-Rule But they had given offence to the whole Church of God B. How will that appeare for the question must be understood here of their personall failings in their converse and walking amongst themselves or before others And touching these matters so neerely concerning the good of soules and the bands of brother-hood He should not have taken-up matters upon trust from heare-say that common lyer but in imitation of the Lord his Master have seene first * and well understood by private communication with his brethren whether things were so or not according to the cry that came to his eares surely he should have convented his bretheren first and shewen them their personall failings whether so or not or such as they were reported to be whether they would own them and appeare in justification of them and then when it was made apparent that his brethren did not walke uprightly according to the Truth of the Gospel then he might also have appeared against them as he hath done and done all according to rule whereas now omitting this Christian duty of conferring with his brethren first he hath transgressed his rule and hath done all he hath done neither decently nor in order A. His brethren had the very same obligation upon them to have dealth with Mr Edw first and with the Assembly of Divines before they put forth their Apol Nar. B. I take it under correction No no reason imaginable why they should apply themselves to M. Edw They tooke the way was prescribed unto them by the Assembly of Divines they applied themselves to the learned and judicious Licencer of Books M. Herle who they knew had appeared for the other way of Church Governement but in a most orderly way that Truths might be beaten-out and cleered and the bands of the brother-hood kept intire and sacred To him they applied themselves for his judgement upon their Apologie first before they put it forth which what it was appeareth now as visible as the Apologie doth and is a reall and full justification of the Apologists proceeding touching that matter That they did as much as the Assembly of Divines could expect they should doe Secondly I humbly conceive that they stood bound to give satisfaction by way of Apologie to all especially to such simple ones as my selfe all over the Land we judged nothing before the time but indeed we were offended to see so many pillars shrink away from our house ready to fall upon our heads Indeed we did expect and 〈◊〉 in manners we could have so done we would have required an Apologie for their so departing from us in such perilous times But we had it without asking we thanke them the fullest and clearest that ever was penned I thinke as for other matters of an higher debate M. Edw might have left them with his betters to whose consideration and judgement they were modestly transmitted Hitherto I have set downe as I have conceived M. Ed. his faults of omission His faults of Commission are greater he is sharpe harsh and bitter towards them who were sweet gentle and meek towards all as Ambassadours for peace and lovers of Truth ought to be But suppose there had been some harshnesse or tartnesse in the Ap. Narr and that it had some speciall reference to M. E. himselfe suppose so yet he having done as he hath done hath transgressed the Rule and gone contrary to the examples of all good men not transported with passions as he was in dealing with their brethren The Rule was set downe before and will be repeated afterwards I 'le shew here what others have done whose example is very imitable Erasmus had written a book to serve as a Buckler whereby to safeguard the Truth for it was called Erasmic {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Melanct Erasmus his good friend turnes over the book and sayes of
37. 13. Comming It is come if the Adversaries of the Lord be at the heightest and His servants at the lowest Now we must be glad because now will I arise saith the Lord when At this present time therefore be nothing terrified encouraged rather when the enemy is raised high even to the zenith of his exaltation then be encouraged for hearken and heare Now will I arise saith the Lord Now will I be exalted now will I lift-up my Isa. 33. 10. sélfe now now now now expect That the Lord will come-in to magnifie Himselfe before Israel and before the Sun And then the Adversary falls then then then as that Adversary Senacharib did by the sword of the Lord In whose hands I cannot tell but by the sword of the Lord he shall fall and the lower his fall shall be the higher his exaltation was Amen Therefore stand fast in one spirit striving together for the Faith of the Gospell and be nothing terrified by the Adversaries but by all these providences be mightily encouraged rather in the worke and service of the Lord through the Might and Power of the Lord Who hath made-forth to His servants a sure word of promise That He will give them an expected End Imprimatur JOSEPH CARYL 2 Chro 17. 16. 〈◊〉 Cor. 8. 5. 2 Chro. 32. 31. The Epistle and purpose thereof The Booke and frame thereof Even to our interiours we owe the duty of a good language * Nullum tam grave scel●s quod non ad judicium prius quim ad poena●● venire debet Luth. Upon the Gal. 5. * Ampliandi sunt savores Secreta domus deinde timeri Levit 6. 28. Answ. a Joh. 21. b Gal. 2. 2 Cor. 12. Phil. 4 8. a ●●●n Guil. Herauld pag. ●63 See Childes Portion p. 94. Ep. 〈◊〉 Cap. 〈◊〉 Te non p●… quantum in me est cum exceptione 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. * {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. Chrysost in Gen. c. 18. Est is liber planè aspis Per omnia sacra breviter simplicitèr sine convitiis disputet Calv. Ep. a Desputare nō rahire Eras. Ep. Latrant non ●oquuntur Cic. Brut. p. 161. in fol. S●ridet non loquitur Cal. ep. 339. O● estor causapugnet non contumel●i● Debem●● enim charitati c. Ep. b See Childs Portion p. 84. The Supposition Odi●sta dissidiorun nomina Lu●● * Greeks and Latines all conclude That no Theame or subject is more fruitfull for it has all the matter to work-on that our nature can give forth every ordinary man can shew eloquence here but the heathen man cals it a fierce kind of Eloquence Truci eloquentiâ Balbus promptus adversus innocentes Tacit. An. li. 6. b 〈◊〉 Sam. 12. 14. Phil. 1. 10. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Hom. God lifteth His enemiesup that He might cast them downe the lower He casteth downe His friends that He might raise them up the higher b Exod. 18. 12. * Psal. 93. Psal. 140. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Multes habet pro Catholic●s Cacolycos pro Evangelicis Disa●gclos Era● Ep. Dominus omnes ref●●get in suā gloriam V●…t Christ us arcano suo consilio scenas rerum bumanarun livre. 25. ●p 20. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a Psal. ●5 b John 7. 17. c {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. Chrysost. * Ab iratis 〈◊〉 perspicuè pax petitur augetur ●odium C●● de Juvent * {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Chrysost 〈◊〉 Act. Ap. cap. 21. Hom. 〈◊〉 co a Salv. Funestam Religionis discordiam alibi priue cepisse hic priue desiisse ●rat Epolon a Sam. ●8 15. He that has read the Book knowes the meaning o● that Si in Scripto quidquid indignum Erasmo ostenderis ostensum protinus jugulabitar Sed si quid haeretic●●Ep l. 25. ●●●m Alex. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} N●… ho mini est hominem vincere ●ed bonum est ●●mini ut cum veri●as vincat vole●●em quid c. Aug. 〈◊〉 ●asc Ep. 171. Sacrilegis proditoribus vene ficis Lact. Lib. 5. cap. 1. Ignorantiam meam c. See Childs Portion p. 38. * Valeat E●ci●● tradu●at nos triumphos agat de parvu●●s ad id genus calu●…arum satis animi praestabit Christus c. * Mat. 7. 11. Luk. 11. 13. a Joh. 7. Isa 50. 11. h Exod. 23. 1 i Judg 19. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●5 4. * 1 Tim. 3. 5. Jer. Tit. 〈◊〉 13. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} * Psal. 25●… Ne deserat●● Ecclesia propt●● servitutem qu● sine impietate sustineri possi lib. 1. ep. 107. d Joh. 7. 17. Ezek. 44. So they may find more favour then did the Priests of old * Ezek. 43. Ezek. 44. 10. Job 41. 15 16 17. Phil. 2. 8. Rev. 3. 10. Pe●ra nostra non pallet ad tonitrua ●ulgura non ●etuit c. Caelum ruat fiat voluntas tua Luth. 2. vol. p. ●74 Nec 〈◊〉 hoc nec mirum st Princeps m●n●… d●…viet Quid aliud saceret Psal. 2. psal. 93. Neh. 4. 16. b Isa. 26. 4. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman}