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A90435 Some remarks upon a book, entitled, Christ's lambs defended against Satan's rage, &c. Being the Quakers answer to The Quakers unmask'd &c. : In a letter to E.S., Esq. A. C.; Pennyman, John, 1628-1706.; E. S. 1691 (1691) Wing P1417C; ESTC R233470 11,676 10

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SOME REMARKS Upon a Book entitled Christ's Lambs defended against Satan's rage c. Being the Quakers Answer to The Quakers Vnmask'd c. In a Letter to E. S. Esq LICENSED June 19. 1691. SIR HAving had the curiosity and opportunity of reading The Quakers Vnmask'd Their Double dealing and False-heartedness discovered c. I thought it impossible for the Quakers to vindicate themselves from that Authors Charge which made me desirous to read their Answer and having perused it I can scarce forbear to Remark some few Passages which are clear Confutations of their boasted Innocency Plainness and Christian Charity In the Advertisement to the Reader G. Whitehead takes notice that The Quakers Vnmask'd c. was sent them in Manuscript in the year 1677. and that Liberty of Conscience being established by Law and placed upon the Book in writing is the cause of its now publication Which says G. W. looks as if he envyed our present Liberty Behold the Spirit of this Answerer Mr. Pennyman kept his Books unpublished for 13 years together lest it might be any occasion of the Quakers Persecution but when Liberty of Conscience is established by Law he publisheth 10 or 11 of them presuming there is now no danger of their being persecuted Does this look as if he envyed their present Liberty and not rather that he was glad of it as no doubt he is In p. 6. to the Reader Our Adversary again p 14. says he deals very unfairly and unjustly by G. W. about some of our Friends saying They give forth Writings from the immediate Eternal Spirit of God and by the same Spirit and Power that was in the Prophets Christ and his Apostles unto which he falsly addeth And their so speaking G. W. saith is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and greater his words and their so speaking are J. P's own Abuse and Perversion Now I beseech you Sir read the Passage in p. 14. and see wherein J. P's Abuse and Perversion lies It lies in this that he added these words and their so speaking and did not put them in a different Character to distinguish them from G. W's words though they did not alter the sense at all if you leave them out the Passage is as much to the same purpose as if they were in Did ever any Writer charge his Adversary with Abuse and Perversion upon so slender an account What an affront is it to the simple-hearted Reader to write at this rate This is the Man that in his Letter to J. O. threatens Mr. P. farther to detect and unmask him if he will not be reduced to Christianity Does he mean by Christianity Quakerism which it seems teaches him to use the basest Equivocations and Slights that can be found in any Writer Of his Book p. 3. He utterly denies it as a Slander that the Quakers formerly exhorted Men to fight and would fight themselves I must refer you to The Quakers Vnmask'd c. to judge whether that is a Slander or not It will abundantly satisfie you whilst you understand their Writings in the plain honest sense of the Words without their after Equivocations J. P cites one of the Quakers Ministers saying We directed all People to the Spirit of God in them and if that led them to fight I had nothing against it for this saith G. W. he quotes fol. 4. but tells us not what Book But why did he not tell J. P so 13 years ago when he desired to know what Errors they sound in the Quotations if there were any however to satisfie him that it was a true citation he took it out of the Quakers Book where Foreign Letters were recorded which was first in J. O's custody and afterwards in J. P's P. 4. The Quakers tell Rich. Protector ' That he would walk with the Lord and preserve his People then thy Name shall be greater than was thy Fathers and the numberless number of this Now distressed People will be unto thee a strength and stand by thee and Defend thee and thy just Government Sir If you had been Protector I persuade my self you would have thought these People would have fought to defend you and your Government But whatever they or you thought then the meaning now is according to G. W. c. they would defend him and his Government By Righteousness Prayers and Faith and by Contributions Taxes c. or the fear of the Lord as in the days of Jehosaphat Would you not judge that Man perjured that should swear Allegiance in such terms with such a meaning And must we not take the Quakers words for as binding as an Oath Next p. 5. you will please to note what G.W. Answers to the Charge of upbraiding others with that which themselves for many years were as deeply concerned and ingaged in c. To all which saith G. W. I do conscientiously Answer He hath most grosly and palpably belyed the People called Quakers in these Passages divers ways First in rendring them without exception of Persons not only Justifiers of the late Wars and what had been done therein without exception of things done but also equally concerned with the Presbyterians Independents and others therein But do the Quakers when they charge these things upon the Presbyterians c. make any exception of Persons or Things And yet it is well known and it is proved out of their own writings in The Quakers Vnmask'd c. that their Chief Leaders approved of the greatest things done in the late Wars against the King and to his Person whereas the Presbyterians generally dis-approved of them Besides they say their giving forth Papers or Printed Books is from the immediate eternal Spirit of God and that their Preachers are guided by an Infallible Spirit and that they are of one Mind and Judgment and the like and therefore an indefinite and general charge will affect them more generally than other Parties G. W. says p. 6. The War began in 41. and in 48 the King was Beheaded and all this while no Quakers heard of till about 50.51 52. when there was no Wars in England for them to be concerned in how false then is J P. to say The Quakers were as much or more concerned in the War against the King as any others But G. W. confesses that divers who have been since and now of us Quakers have formerly been concerned in the late Wars And J. P. has made evident their approbation of what was then done and that many that turned Quakers in the Armies continued there till they were turned out that the Protector is blamed for putting them out by G. Fox and others that they are called Sober Men and true Hearts that feared God and trembled at His Word valiant Captains Soldiers and Officers it may be for saying thou to a single Person or for wearing their Hats c. the distinguishing Characters of Quakers from others Whereas he says there was no Wars in England in 50.51.52