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A27230 A brief discovery of some of the blasphemous and seditious principles and practices of the people called Quakers taken out of their most noted and approved authors, humbly offered to the consideration of the King and both houses of Parliament / by Edward Beckham ... Hen. Meriton ... Lancaster Topcliffe ..., Norfolk. Beckham, Edward, 1637 or 8-1714.; Meriton, Henry, d. 1707.; Topcliffe, Lancaster, 1646 or 7-1720. 1699 (1699) Wing B1652; ESTC R18109 27,538 34

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that thy dark mind stumbleth at is that some have said That they that have the Spirit of God are Equal with God ' Whereunto he Replies ' He that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit there is Unity and the Unity stands in Equality it self When the Son is revealed and speaks the Father speaks in him and dwells in him and he in the Father in that which is Equal in Equality it self there is Equality in Nature tho' not in Stature ' 3. That they Assert themselves to be Infallible G. F. Gr. Myst p. 107. He saith speaking of the Priest ' The Holiest Man that is is not able to give an Infallible Character of another Man ' To which he Answers ' Hast not thou in this discovered thy self to be no Minister of Christ or of the Spirit who cannot give an Infallible Character of another Man How canst thou Minister to his Condition ' Pag. 96. ' And thou not being Infallible thou art not in the Spirit and so art not a Minister of Christ and art not able to judge of Powers that is not Infallible nor Magistrates nor Kingdoms nor Churches ' Pag. 33. ' And are they Ministers of Christ that are Fallible ' Edw. Burr p. 862. ' Such i. e. Hereticks are Infallibly known and discerned by the Spirit of God in the True Church of Christ and by every Member of the same ' That they are Perfect as God Geo. F. Gr. Myst p. 282. Whereas Mr. Cawdry said ' Surely they cannot be Perfect here or hereafter in Equality but only in Quality ' Fox Answers ' Christ makes no distinction in his Words but saith Be ye Perfect even as your Heavenly Father is And as he is so are we And that which is Perfect as he is Perfect is in Equality with the same thing which is of God and from God ' That they are without Sin G. F. Myst p. 101. saith ' It is the Doctrine of Devils that Preacheth That Men shall have Sin and be in a WARFARE so long as they be on Earth ' Pag. 231. ' All who come to Christ the Second Adam they come to Perfection and all who attain to him they attain to Perfection in the Life of God out of the First Adam ' Pag. 271. ' For who are Sanctified have perfect Unity perfect Knowledge perfect Holiness ' And William Penn in his Truth Exalted Reprinted 1671 p. 9. laughs at the Church of England-Men for Confessing themselves Sinners or Praying to God for Mercy ' Alas poor Souls saith he are not you at Have Mercy upon us miserable Sinners there is no Health in us from Seven to Seventy ' And Edw. Burr p. 33. saith ' That God doth not accept any where there is any Failing All who do not fulfil the Law and Answer every Demand of Justice ' 4. That they have Immediate Revelation Equal with the Prophets and Aposiles In Truth defending the Quakers written from the Spirit of Truth in George Whitehead and George Fox Junior Printed 1659. p. 7. The Question being put ' Whether the Quakers did esteem their Speakings to be of as great Authority as any Chapter in the Bible ' 'T is Answer'd ' That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER ' G. F. Gr. Myst p. 242. tells us that the Priest saith ' That the Apostles were Eye-Witnesses and understood by Immediate Revelation from God Inspired with the Gift of the Spirit more than any Man could hope for since ' And saith ' They do not pretend any such Gift nor depend upon such any Immediate Miraculous Revelation from Heaven ' To which G. F. answers ' Then all may see now in this what ye have received that hath been from Man which is not from Heaven immediate nor the Gifts of the Spirit nor received the Gospel by the same means the Apostles did who were not the Eye-Witnesses as the Apostles were Neither have ye attained to the same Knowledge and Understanding as the Apostles did nor received it from Heaven Now let all People question Whether it is the same Gospel which is not received from Heaven nor Immediately nor by Revelation for the Gospel is Immediate which is the Power of God Rom. 1. They i. e. Quakers are in the same Power Understanding Knowledge and Immediate Revelation from Heaven that the Apostles were in ' Geo. Fox further tells us p. 213. that the Priest says ' Thou dost not speak in that Degree of the Holy Ghost as the Prophets and Apostles did that spoke forth Scriptures ' To which he Answers ' Then thou must take heed of Exalting thy self above thy measure for thou canst not know Scripture but by the same Degree of the Spirit the Prophets and Apostles had ' 5. They Vilifie and Speak Contemptuously of the Scriptures News coming up out of the North written from the Mouth of the Lord from one who is Naked and stands Naked before the Lord Cloathed with Righteousness whose Name is not known in the World risen up out of the North which was Prophesied of but now it is fulfilled CALLED G. F. Printed 1655. p. 14. ' Your Original is Carnal Hebrew Greek and Latin and your Word is Carnal the Letter and the Light is Carnal the Letter Their Original is but Dust which is but the Letter which is Death And their GOSPEL IS BUT DUST MATTHEW MARK LVKE and JOHN which is the Letter ' Tho. Lawson in his Brief Discovery of a Threefold Estate of Antichrist Printed 1653. written from the Spirit of the Lord p. 9. Calls the Ministers ' Babylon's Merchants selling Beastly Wares for a large Price the LETTER which is DUST and DEATH ' Saul's Errand to Damascus Printed 1654. p. 7. It was Objected to the Quakers that they had said Whoever took a place of Scripture and made a Sermon of it or from it was a Conjurer and his Preaching was Conjuration To which G. Fox Answered ' All that do Study to Raise a Living Thing out of a Dead to Raise the Spirit out of the Letter are Conjurers and draw Points and Reasons and so do speak a Divination of their own Brain they are Conjurers and Diviners and their Teaching is from Conjuration which is not Spoken from the Mouth of the Lord. ' Truths Defence given forth by the Light and Power of God appearing in G. Fox and Rich. Hubberthorn Printed 1653. p. 101. It is DANGEROVS to read viz. the the Scriptures which the Prophets Christ and the Apostles spoke forth freely And p. 2. speaking of some of their Queries which were lookt upon as frivolous and should have been Burnt They said You might as well have Condemned the SCRIPTVRES to the FIRE And p. 104. they give their reason why saying Our giving forth Papers or Printed Books is from the Immediate Eternal Spirit of God Edw. Burr p. 47. of his Works having this Charged upon him as the Principle of
the Quakers that Saints were not to do Duties by or from a Command without but from a Command within and that the word Command in Scripture was not a Command to them till they had a Word within them He Answers ' That is no Command from God to me what he Commands to another neither did any of the Saints which we read of in Scripture act by the Command which was to another not having the Command to themselves And thou or any other who goest to Duty as you call it by imitation from the Letter without which was a Command to others in your own Wills and Time your Sacrifice is not Accepted but is Abomination to the Lord for you go without the moving of the Spirit in your own Wills and Strength which God Hates and which his Wrath is upon ' Agreeable to which William Penn in his Quakerism a new Nick Name c. Printed 1673. p. 71 72. Asserts ' No Command in the Scripture is any further Obliging upon any Man than as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience otherwise Men should be ingaged without if not against Conviction a thing unreasonable in a Man So that Conviction can only Oblige to Obedience And when any Man is Convinced That what was Commanded another is Required of him then and not till then he is rightly Authorized to perform it ' And also assert That the Scriptures are No Rule A Shield of the Truth written from the Spirit of the Lord by Jam. Parnell Printed 1655. p. 11. ' He that saith the Letter is the Rule and Guide of the People of God is Without feeding upon the Husk and is Ignorant of the True Light ' Edw. Bur. p. 515. tells us ' That the Scriptures are not the Rule and Guide of Faith and Life unto the Saints but the Spirit of God that gave forth the Scriptures ' And further in a Testimony from the Brethren met together at London in the Third Month 1666. to be Communicated to the faithful Friends and Elders in the Countries by them to be read in their several Meetings and kept as a Testimony among them Signed by Rich. Farnsworth Alex. Parker George Whitehead and Eight more who by the Operation of the Spirit of Truth being brought into a Serious Consideration of this present State of the Church of God c. Declare in the Third Section ' If any Difference arise in the Church or amongst them that Profess themselves Members thereof we do Declare and Testifie That the Church with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ have Power without the Assent of such as Dissent from their Doctrines and Practices to Hear and Determine the same If any pretend to be of us and in Case of Controversie will not admit to be Tried by the Church of Christ Jesus nor submit to the Judgment given by the Spirit of Truth in the Elders and Members of the same but kick against their Judgment as only the Judgment of Man it being Manifested according to Truth and Consistent with the Doctrine of such Good Antient Friends as have been and are Sound in the Faith agreeable to the Witness of God in his People then we do Testifie in the Name of the Lord if that Judgment so given be Risen against and Denied by the Party Condemned then he or she ought to be Rejected as having Erred from the Truth and persisting therein Presumptuously are joined in one with Heathens and Insidels ' And pursuant to which Mr. Keith was Proceeded against in Pensylvania as guilty of Heresie not from the Scriptures as he desired but from Friends Books and was told by Sam. Jennings a great Teacher and Justice of Peace there in the Publick Meeting ' We are not to prove it from Scripture but from Friends Books for the Question between us and G. K. is not who is the best Christian but the best Quaker ' And accordingly they produced instead of Scripture a Citation out of William Penn's Christian Quaker to prove him a Heretick See G. K's Heresie and Hatred Printed at Philadelphia 1693. 6. They assert that Christ's Flesh is a Figure Saul's Errand to Damascus p. 14. The Question was put to Geo. Fox Whether Christ in the Flesh be a Figure or not and if a Figure How and in What To which he Answers Christ is the Substance of all Figures and his Flesh is a Figure And in Truth defending the Quakers by G. Whitehead c. p. 20. It is said expresly That Christ's coming in the Flesh is but a Figure And that Christ was Crucified within us and any other was Anti-Christ G. F. Gr. Myst p. 206. ' The Apostles Preached Christ that was Crucified within and not another him that was Raised up from the Dead was Risen that Lord Jesus Christ within It was he that was manifest in the Saints that was and is not another FOR THE OTHER IS THE ANTI-CHRIST Now I say if there be any other Christ but HE THAT WAS CRUCIFIED WITHIN HE IS THE FALSE CHRIST And he that hath not this Christ that was Risen and Crucified within is a Reprobate the Devils and Reprobates may make a talk of him without ' 7. They Vilifie and Deny the Sacraments viz. Baptism by Water and the Lord's Supper by Bread and Wine G. F. News coming up c. p. 14. ' Your Baptism is Carnal And their Sacrament as they call it is Carnal And their Communion is Carnal a little Bread and Wine ' And p. 34. 'A Voice and a Word to all you Deceivers who deceive the People and Blasphemers who utter forth your Blasphemy and Hypocrisie that tell People of a Sacrament and tell them it is the Ordinance of God Blush Blush and Tremble before the Almighty for Dreadful is he that will pour forth his Vengeance upon you ' Smith's Primer Printed 1668. p. 6. ' I would know Father saith the Child how it is concerning those things called Ordinances as Baptism and Bread and Wine which are much used in their Worship The Father Answers Why Child as to those things they arose from the Pope's Invention who hath had Power in the Night of Apostacy And hath set up his Devices which are yet continued in England tho' he seeming'y is denied And the whole practice of those things as they use them had their INSTITUTION BY THE POPE and were never so Ordain'd of Christ ' William Penn's Reason against Railing Printed 1673. p. 108 109. ' I affirm by that one Scripture Hebr. 9.10 that Circumcision is as much in force as Water-Baptism and the Paschal-Lamb as Bread and wine they were both Shadows and both Elementary and Perishable For a Continuance of them had been a Judaizing of the Spiritual Evangelical Worship the Gospel would have been a State of Figures Types and Shadows And we can Testifie from the same Spirit by which Paul renounced Circumcision that they are to be rejected as not now required Neither have they since the False Church Espoused
and Exalted them ever been taken up afresh by God's Command or in the Leadings of his Eternal Spirit and the Lord will appear to Gather a People out of them but never to Establish or Keep People in them No they Served their time and now the False Church has got them yea and the Whore has made Merchandize with them and under such Historical Shadowy and Figurative Christianity has she managed her Mystery of Iniquity unto the beguiling of Thousands ' G. F. News coming up c. p. 4. ' Your Baptism and Sacraments as you call it and all your Ordinances and Churches and Teachings it is Cain's Sacrifice ' p. 14. 8. They allow No Liberty to any who differ from them One Quaker writes to another in a bemoaning Letter called The Spirit of the Hat Printed 1673. p. 12. Complaining of Geo. Fox's not allowing any Liberty He speaketh thus ' My Friend Observe what difference is there in these things between G. F. and the Papists The one saith No Liberty out of the Church the other No Liberty out of the Power Saith the Papist What! Liberty to the Sectary No. What! Liberty to the Heretick No. And G. F. saith What! Liberty to the Presbyter No. What! Liberty to the Independent No. What! Liberty to the Baptist No. Liberty saith he is in the Truth The difference lies only here the one has greater Power to Compel than the other ' William Penn in his Brief Examination and State of Liberty Spiritual Printed 1681. p. 3. where the Question is Must I Conform to things whether I can receive them or no Ought I not to be left to the Grace and Spirit of God in my own Heart To the first he says Nay to the last Yea. But he bids them Consider Whether it is from their Weakness or Carelesness telling them It is a dangerous Principle and pernicious to True Religion Nay it is the Root of Ranterism to Assert That nothing is a Duty Incumbent upon thee but what thou art perswaded is thy Duty And in p. 11. I affirm from the Vnderstanding I have received of God not only that the Enemy is at Work to scatter the Minds of Friends by that loose Plea What hast thou to do with me leave me to my Freedom and to the Grace of God in my self But this Proposition as now Understood and Alledged is a Deviation from and a Pervertion of the Ancient Principle of Truth c. And in p. 12. ' Some under pretence of Crying down MAN FORMS AND PRESCRIPTIONS are Crying down the Heavenly Man Christ Jesus his blessed Order and Government which he hath brought forth by his own Revelation and Power through his Faithful Witnesses ' Which Revelation p. 13. was concerning Men and Womens Meetings ' Wherefore I warn all saith Penn that they have a Care how they give way to the Outcry of some falsly intituled Liberty of Conscience against Impositions c. Nor is it the least Evil this Spirit of Strife is Guilty of that useth the words Liberty of Conscience and Impositions against the Brethren in the same manner as our Suffering Friends have been accustomed to intend them against the Persecuting PRIESTS AND POWERS of the Earth ' 9. They Declare themselves against Kingly Government Edw. Bur. his Works p. 244. ' The Lord is risen to Overturn to Overturn Kings and Princes Governments and Laws And he will Change Times and Laws and Governments and there shall be no King Ruling but Jesus nor no Government of Force but the Government of the Lamb nor no Law of Effect but the Law of God All that which is otherwise shall be ground to Powder ' And p. 507. he saith further ' But as for this People i. e. Quakers they are Raised of the Lord and Established by him EVEN CONTRARY TO ALL MEN and they have given their Power only to God and they cannot give their Power to ANY MORTAL MEN to stand or fall by any OUTWARD AUTHORITY and to that they cannot seek but to the Lord alone ' And G. F. in his Gr. Myst p. 31. saith ' That the Quakers are in the Power of God and in the Authority of the Lamb above all Houses and into Houses Creep not BUT ARE UPON THE THRONE ' And in Truth defending the Quakers Printed 1659. p. 9 10. Geo. Whitehead and G. F. Junior being asked Whether they did not say That the Magistrate who made Acts of Parliament and doth not receive them from God as Moses doth act contrary to the Law of God They Answered The Magistrate that is sent of God he receives the Law from the Mouth of God and he is the Prophet whom Moses spake of Deut. 18.18 And rebukes them for thinking Men should make Acts and not receive them from God They say again The Man-Child appears who must Rule the Nations with a Rod of Iron G. Fox in his Bcok Several Papers given forth c. to Presbyterians c. just before the Restoration Writ Anno 1659. and Printed the beginning of 1660. he hath these Passages ' Friends to all you that desire an Earthly King in England c. whether Presbyterians or others Did the Elders of Old in the Days of Christ or the Apostles Cry up any King but Christ to have any King to Rule over them but Christ And doth not the Priests and Presbyterians Cry for an Earthly King and will have Caesar And do they not in this CRUCIFY Jesus Are not all these Elders that will Doat so much of an Earthly King TRAYTORS against Christ Do you read that there were any Kings since the Days of the Apostles but among the APOSTATE CHRISTIANS For Christ is King alone I say That is the False Church that doth not live upon the Head of the Kings They that be True Elders never go about to Set Up an Earthly King over them to Rule Herod the King was Mad at the Child Jesus there is the Fruit of Earthly Kings And hath not this been Witnessed in England c. Ignorant and Foolish People that would have a King And what work Joshua made with the Kings how he brought them out of the Cave A FIT PLACE FOR THEM And all these Novices Christians that are Crying up Earthly Kings And we know that these Kings are the SPIRITUAL EGYPTIANS got up since the Days of the Apostles ' c. Thus much briefly touching their Ancient Anti-Monarchical Principles and they are the same still and have not Deviated in any one Point only G. Whitehead tells us they may see Cause otherwise to Word the Matter c. Against the House of Lords ' Oh! What sincerity was once in the Nation ' says G. F. to the Council of Officers 1659. p. 7. ' What a Dirty Nasty thing it would have been to have heard talk of a House of Lords amongst them ' Again G. F. to the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England c. p. 8. saith viz. ' Let all Abby-Lands Gleab-Lands that 's