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A65474 A demonstration in brief, of what I have noted in a book, intituled, a dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Wherein is mainifest that Thomas Hickes and his confederates speak not by the Spirit of God, neither is he ruled, touching the mystery of God in faith, by Holy Scripture, but on the contrary. Thom. Hickes, what thou hast to say in answer (charge me only) and no other person. West, Robert, b. ca. 1613. 1673 (1673) Wing W1387; ESTC R217303 7,816 15

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A Demonstration In brief Of what I have noted in a Book Intituled A DIALOGUE Between a CHRISTIAN and QVAKER Wherein is manifest That Thomas Hickes and his Confederates speak not by the Spirit of God neither is he ruled touching the Mystery of God in Faith by Holy Scripture but on the contrary Thom. Hickes what thou hast to say in Answer charge me only and no other Person Hold not thy peace and be not still O God for lo thine enemies make a tumult and they that hate thee have lifted up the head they have taken crafty Counsel against thy people consulted against thy hidden ones Behold saith the Lord they shall surely gather together but not by me whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake and every tongue that shall arise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn Psal 83.1 2 3. Esai 54.15 Printed in the Year 1673. IT 's written Brethren I have in a figure transferred to my self and to Apollo for your sakes that ye might learn in us not to think of man above that which is written 1 Cor. 4.6 the same Apostle for confirmation of the Mystery of God which he taught brought the Holy Scriptures for Testimony thereof Rom. 10.8 and sayeth that he witness no other thing than those which the Prophets and Moses did say should come Act. 26.22 Now the Spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets Now the Spirits of the Prophets is mans's Spirit that 's to be subject to the Prophets to wit Holy Scriptures but the Spirit of God no Scripture sayeth is to be subject to or to be tryed by the Holy Scripture c. It 's noted in the 20th Article of the Church of England that it 's not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that 's contrary to God's word written neither may it so expound one place of Scripture that it be repugnant to another this saying is true c. Having spoken in brief of the Authority of the Holy Scripture I shall from the manifestation of God's Spirit and according to the Holy Scriptures demonstrate Tho. Hickes his folly and damnable Heresie in his aforesaid Book He sayeth in Page 5. there is a Pamplet lately published by Robert West Intituled Damnable Heresie discovered That there is such a Book published by me it 's true but for his saying in that Page 5. where he arraigneth and condemneth as guilty of damnable Herefie viz. the denying to worship the measure of light in every man that 's false as by my Book may appear It was for his denying the light within which convinces the World of sin to be the Lord c. He sayeth in his Book Pag. 5. many Quakers that read this particular in that Book condemns it and censures the person that asserted it Mark Can any Quaker read this particular in that Book to wit measure of Light which is not in that Book or censured me for it as may appear by that Book Again he sayeth in Page 5. of his Book Forasmuch as he affirms this light communicated unto Adam was not only God's gift to him but also the fountain whence all that light proceeds which is imparted or communicated unto the Creature but dareft thou stand by this assertion sayeth he Mark I never affirmed such a thing It is his Assertion and not mine for I have better learned of the Lord and do know him in whom is hidden all the Treasure of Wisdom and Knowledge and from him in me have I received of his fullness to him be glory for ever and not from old Adam but from the second Adam who is a quickening Spirit Tho. Hickes sayeth in his Book Page 53. He that shall give a false relation of another mans Assertion such a man is false and deceitful See by what he sayeth in his own Book is not he such a man that hath in one Page of his Book three times committed that folly c. In Page 5. and 6. his Book he sayeth Is this Christ within God or a Creature If God then its the same with what was said before if a Creature then it 's no Heresie much less damnable Heresie to affirm that they who worship this measure of light in every man are Idolaters forasmuch as they worship a Creature c. Here he sayeth the light in every man is a Creature Mark Is not this his saying his solly c. Is a thing so because a man sayeth so Nay we are not to think of men above what is written to wit Holy Scripture if so where 's any Holy Scripture that sayeth that the light in every man is a Creature He sayeth in his Book Page 65. speaking of the light within it 's proved saith he that it self is but a Creature c. Is not this privily to bring in damnable Heresie to wit first to say the light in every man is a Creature and then after 50 Pages to say that it 's proved when there is no Holy Scripture brought nor sound Reason for proof but his own saying c. may not every false person deceive a man of what he hath if his saying may be taken for proof without farther evidence for a man may say and swear falsly as the people did in the dayes of old Jer. 5.2 they swore then that they that were no Gods lived ver 7 And now Tho. Hickes sayeth that the light in every man is a Creature Is this your Champion O ye Baptist People that ye boast so much of saying his Book can never be answered surely the pride of Jordan will be spoiled Zech. 11.3 in a Dispute with me before many Witnesses he affirmed that the light in every man was man's spirit and that God breathed it into Adam and that it did convince them of fin but as then he brought no Holy Scripture for confirmation of his affirmation even so now he brings no Holy Scripture to witness it but his own saying nor can he as by my Book as before is noted may appear And yet he would have people believe that the Holy Scripture is his Rule in Faith and Practice c. Know all then that I do own the Holy Scriptures as before is noted and by them through the manifestation of God's Spirit do know that Tho. Hickes is not ruled touching the Mystery of God in Faith by them but sets up his own sayings above them to oppose the Holy light in man to which the Scripture gives Testimony unto as may appear by what followeth for the help of the weak understanding First I shall bring the Holy Scriptures which testifieth what God is Secondly where he is And thirdly where that which may be known of God was and is manifested to the end Tho. Hickes his sayings may be tried whether they be according to the Holy Scriptures yea or nay And first to the first That God is Light. It 's written This is the Message sayeth John that we have heard of him and
declare unto you that God is Light and that in him there is no darkness at all 1 John 1.5 Christ sayeth I and my Father are one and sayeth Christ I am the Light of the World John S. 12. That was the true Light which ligheth every man that cometh into the World saith John John 1.9 15. and was before me sayeth he To this agreeth the Testimony of David who sayeth The Lord is my Light and my Salvation Psal 27. So much in brief touching what God and Christ is c. Secondly Where he is sayeth David If I go up into Heaven thou art there if I make my Bed in Hell thou art there Psal 139. And Solomon his Son sayeth For thine uncorruptibl Spirit is in all things Wisd 13.1 Sayeth the Lord do not fill Heaven and Earth By common consent this manner of S●●ech is that he doth fill Heaven and Earth sayeth St. Paul speaking of the Lord above all through all and in you all Thirdly The Holy Scripture testifieth touching this Infinite and Incomprehensible God That that which may be known of God speaking of them that had not the Law is manifest in them Rom. 1.19 And Christ sayeth The Kingdom of Heaven is within you Luke 17.21 Question Is the Lord in Vnbelievers and Idolaters Answer Yea If he was not in Unbelievers before they do believe how then could he be the Author and finisher of their Faith It 's written He is the Author and finisher of his Peoples Faith Heb. 12.2 That he was in Idolaters the Lord himself testifieth When Israel was sacrificing to Balaam and burning incense unto graven Images at that time saith the Lord I am the Holy One in the midst of thee Hos 11.9 The Church of England consesseth and I wish they knew what they did say That Heaven and Earth is full of the Majesty of thy Glory Having produced so many Evidences touching what God is and where he is hear what Tho. Hickes sayeth in his Book Page 3. by way of Answer to a Question touching the holy Light in man and the great God of Heaven and Earth and then choose whom you will believe whether you will believe the Testimony of the Lord and his holy Prophets which before is noted or the Testimony of Tho. Hickes which followed as it it 's noted in his Book Page 3. saith he But if thow sayest this Light in every man in Christ and God I do not only deny it sayeth he but charge it with Blasphemy c. Mark doth he not in this particular charge the Faith of Gods Elect with Blasphemy and the Confession of the Church of England also No Holy Scripture sayeth as he doth but on the contrary c. Therefore I conclude that Tho. Hickes and his Confederates are not ruled in Faith nor Words by Holy Scripture but in pretence c. It it is written in old Translation Esai 8. To the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not after this meaning it 's because they are not of the Morning-light if not of the morning-light know whose Children ye are the word no light in them is not in the old Translation to be read for as it 's before noted the uncorruptible Spirit who is Light in all things and the manifestation of the Spirit is given unto every one to profit withal c. 1 Corinth 12.7 Quest Is Christ in Reprobates It 's written Know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except ye are Reprobates Answ It 's written If our Gospel be hid it 's hid in them that be lost whom the God of this World hath blinded their minds lest the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ who is the Image of God should shine unto them 2 Cor. 4.4 Again it 's written I am he which was dead and am alive saith Christ which tryeth the Hearts and the Reins and that the Churches shall know Rev. 2. Which words implies that the Churches then were without the knowledge of Christ in them as the Baptist Churches now are which state is not approved of or Reprobate The Lord give them an understanding that they may know it for they have need as the Churches then had that were fallen to repent and do the first work Rev. 2.5 The which if they do they shall know the Testimony which God gives of himself that he which believes hath the witness in himself that 's the Faith which is the evidence of things not seen to wit the Lord who is the Light in every man whom man hath despised Isai 53.3 and have abhorred and the evil doers hated Zech. 11.8 John 3. In Page 5. of Tho. Hickes his Book he sayeth that Robert West in his Book Page 6. tells us that the Spirit which God breathed into Adam was not mans Spirit but another which he calls The breath of our Nostrils the anointed Lord That I have so written is true the Cause why I did so was because Tho. Hickes affirmed that the light in every man that did convince them of sin Was mans Spirit not Christ for said he whilest Christ was figured out in Types he was not actually in being c. Upon this my spirit by the Testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of Prophesie who then manifested unto me his folly but he gathering a Company on his side over bore me by words his Company also mocking and scoffing then at me I patiently then bore it and told him that I should oppose him in Print but being persecuted and imprisoned forbearing my Testimony for the Truth and against deceit had not the opportunity to Print it until the Year 1672. which was then performed For if I should be silent to such an affirmation to wit First that the Light within which convinceth man of sin was mans spirit I having knowledge from the Lord that that Spirit which convinceth of sin was the Spirit of the Lord should have been unfaithful to my knowledge and suffered the Lord who is a Spirit to be robbed of his Glory for the glory of that work of convincing of sin is the Lords not mans spirit Upon this I was necessitated to distinguish the spirit of man from the Spirit of the Lord c. But he sayeth in his Book Page 5. that I have wretchedly and profanely perverted that Text Lam. 4.20 Because I testifie that the breath which God breathed into Adams nostrils by which Adam became a living Soul was not mans Spirit but another to wit the true light the annointed of the Lord of whom the Kings of Israel were but figures c. In Page 17. of his Book he sayeth I grant the Son of God is called The Word of God if so then he was before the World was made and is not the Son of God the annointed c. And before that he affirmed that the Word by which God made the World was not the Christ neither was he actually in being whilest he was figured out in Types see how he