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A96932	Private-men no pulpit-men: or, A modest examination of lay-mens preaching. Discovering it to be neither warranted by the Word of God; nor allowed by the judgement, or practise, of the Churches of Christ in New-England. / Written by Giles Workman, M.A. and master of the Colledge School in Gloucester. In answer to a writing published by John Knowls.	Workman, Giles, 1604 or 5-1665.	1646 (1646)	Wing W3583; Thomason E354_9; ESTC R201096	26,327	32

of Tongues and to speak with Tongues in the Scripture sense what is it Not to speak Tongues as we learn by study and pains-taking as by study we learn the Latin Greek Hebrew Caldee c. This indeed is a Gift of Tongues but not in the Scripture sense but such Tongues as are given by God without mans pains for Tongues are a signe to unbeleevers 1 Cor. 14. 22. T is when men do by the Spirit of God speak those Tongues which they never learned and which the hearers know they are ignorant of otherwise they cannot be a signe to them being unbeleevers So the Apostles known to be unlearned men on the sudden the holy Ghost descending on them spake many severall sorts of languages at which the hearers were amazed Now how will John Knowls avoid this but that he and all Lay-preachers are commanded here thus to speak with Tongues See what absurdities follow wresting Scripture which wresters have for their pains Kno. He Paul would that they all did speak with tongues but rather that they prophesie c. from whence we gather that a man may prophesie though he cannot speak with tongues Answ You gather that which is not there sown In my Logick all that you can gather hence is that the Apostle here prefers prophesying which was most edifying before speaking with The Corinthians did more desire the gift of tongues as that which caused more admiration Dioda in loc 1 Ioh 4. 20. tongues which they most affected because it served most ad pompam for applause and admiration That this is all you can gather hence you shall see in an instance Let me thus argue I would that you should love your brother but rather that you love God whence I gather that a man may love God though he do not love his brother this is false as the Apostle teaches us and so is your collection unlesse you can prove by Scripture that it is contingent that prophesie and tongues should be in the same person As indeed thus I may argue I would have you a good Artist but rather a good Christian hence I gather a man may be a good Christian though no good Artist But that it is thus contingent that tongues and prophesie be in the same person you are to prove Mr. Cotton you see is against you The same persons saith he that Keys of the Kingd of Hea. c. 5. had the gift of prophesie in the Church of Corinth had also the gift of tongues which put on the Apostle a necessity to take them off from their frequent speaking with tongues by preferring prophesie before it And we shall finde the twelve first Disciples at Ephesus receiving the Act. 19. 6. Spirit by Paul's laying on of hands spake with tongues and prophesied They who spake with tongues prophesied But grant him that one man may have the gift of prophesie and not of tongues yet one Church hath not the gift of prophesie is in no Church but the gift of tongues is in the same If one man hath the one gift another hath the other in the same Church They spake with tongues and prophesied go together if 1 Cor. 13. 8. Act. 19. 5. not in the same person yet in the same Church Kno. All may prophesie v. 31. Answ The Minister had told him that these all were not Lay-men but Prophets v. 29. 32. Kno. Herein He the Minister hath put his Reader in as great doubt as before to know who these Prophets are which the Author hath not here expressed either because he was ignorant of it on else because he feared that if he should rightly define them it would make little to his purpose and therefore glosseth it over as well as he could Answ No such ignorance nor cause of fear we shall define them and then let the Reader judge whether our definition of them be not as much to our purpose as his definition he gives by and by is little to his purpose To answer therefore a 1 Cor 14. 29. 32. The Scripture here saith they were Prophets and Prophets were set in the Church b 1 Cor. 12. 28 Ephes 4. 11. Rutherf Right of Presbyt c. 5. S. 1 p. 300. as Officers even as Apostles and Evangelists and Teachers and Pastors who are Officers as a learned man observes But to help John Knowls and his Reader in this great doubt I will tell him who these Prophets were by the help and in the words of two men too mighty in the Scriptures for him to slight so easily Dr Rainolds and Mr. Beza Hear the first Illi sine controversia Prophetae sunt Paulo qui extraordinariis quibusdam Dr. Rainolds de lib. Apocr praelect 34. donis ornati erant Ex ii● etiam quae illis attribuuntur manifestum est superiores eos fuisse Pastoribus Doctoribus c. i. They without controversie are Prophets in Paul's sense who were indued with extraordinary gifts And it is manifest by those things which are attributed to them that they were superiour to Pastors and Doctors So He. Hear the other Revelationem conjungo prophetiae ut plane hic opus sit caelesti Beza in loc quodam dono peculiari quod homines suo marte consequi non possint Prophetia est effectum Revelationis i. I joyn revelation to prophesie that to prophesying there is need of a peculiar heavenly gift which men cannot attain unto by their own industry and endeavour and prophesie is the effect of revelation So He. These men no children in Scripture-knowledge tell us these Prophets were without controversie men of extraordinary gifts that it is manifest they were superiour to Pastors and Teachers that prophesie is an effect of revelation joyned Way of the Churches of Chr in N. Eng. c. 2. S. 2. with Revelation And saith not the Scripture the same Observe 1. They were Officers Ephes 4. 11. and 1 Cor. 12. 28. All there mentioned are spirituall gifts So Mr. Cotton 2. They were extraordinary Officers such as the Apostles and Evangelists were This is evident in the last cited places Ephe. 4. 11. 1 Cor. 12. 28. Mr. Cotton on those places saith The Apostle Loc. cit reckoneth up here ministeries or offices which God hath set in his Church first Apostles secondarily Prophets under whom your Evangelists are comprehended as being of equall rank with them So He and speaking of Evangelists saith Whose office was alike extraordinary Ibid. S. 8. as that of Apostles and Prophets 3. They were in order and place above Pastors and Teachers the ordinary Ministers so they are placed Ephes 4. 11. Some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists not onely before Pastors and Teachers but before Evangelists And the Apostle is more curious in enumerating 1 Cor. 12. 28. First Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly Teachers It is evident by the words of order Loc. cit that he intendeth to reckon the first sorts in their due order As Apostles are before

Prophets so are Prophets before ordinary Teachers So Mr. Cotton 4. Their gifts must be extraordinary because they were extraordinary Officers and the Scripture witnesseth the same Agabus one of the Prophets signified by the Spirit that there Act. 11. 27. 28. should be great dearth throughout the world Barnabas another Act. 13. 1. His gifts see Act. 14. 3. And this Chapter 1 Cor. 14. may evince this if it be denied for v. 6. speaking by Revelation and by Prophesying are the same as speaking by Knowledge and Doctrine are the same He that prophesieth doth it by revelation He that speaketh Doctrine doth it by knowledge Itaque haec non sunt quatuor sed duo siquidem prophetia est effectum Revelationis Doctrina verò notitiae i. e. Therefore Bez. in loc these are not foure but two for prophesie is the effect of Revelation doctrine of knowledge But I have some reason to think that our Writer will not deny Revelations to Prophets and I will spare my proof till it be denyed Lastly the use of these Prophets in the primitive times seems to be for the work of the Ministery in primordiis Ecclesiarum in Churches newly planted before an ordinary Ministery was setled which could not be suddenly Something of this we may see in the Ephesian Church which began with twelve men which twelve by Paul's hands received the gifts of tongues Act. 19. 6 7. and prophesie And doubtlesse these and such others to whom the Lord did impart the like gifts if any more such were in Ephesus afterward did prophesie or preach there untill Bishops were setled in that Church which we find to be done in Act. 20. 17. 28. the next Chapter And in this Church at Corinth we finde now many Prophets but I read not of any Bishops or Pastors among them perhaps they were not yet ordained there Out of all this we may thus describe the Prophets which the Apostle exhorts and commands to preach in this 1 Cor. 14. They were extraordinary Officers in the Church indued with extraordinary gifts superior to Pastors Teachers the ordinary Ministers of the Church ordained by God for the work of the Ministery in those primitive times so long as extraordinary miraculous gifts continued in the Churches For to continue extraordinary Officers in the Churches as Mar. 6. 13. Prophets c. in these times in which God granteth not extraordinary gifts is to do as wisely as the Papists who continue Iam. 5. 14. 1 Cor. 12. 28. Beza Unction when they have not the gift of healings Quorsum nunc symbolum si nusquam extat donum Mr. Cotton speaking of these Prophets at Corinth and saying they were not private members but men of extraordinary gifts saith As Kings at the time of their Coronation give many extraordinary Keys of the Kingd of Heav c. 5. large gifts which they do not daily in their ordinary government so Christ soon after his ascension poured out a larger measure of his Spirit then in times succeeding So that in his opinion private men may not practise these Corinthian-Prophets preaching because they have not their gifts which were a largesse at Christs Coronation for those but not for succeeding times Let the Reader now judge whether this description of Prophets be not to our purpose and whether we need be afraid to produce it Let us now see whether his definition of Prophets be to his purpose Kno. They are those that use their gifts to the edification and consolation of the Church Answ This offends in one main it doth not convenire soli for Pastors and Teachers do the same 'T is true Prophets by revelation 1 Cor. 14. 3. did use their gifts for that end and the ordinary Prophets Pastors and Teachers do so too For the end of the labours of all officers preaching both ordinary and extraordinary is the edification of the body of Christ Ephes 4. 1● Kno. Prophets are Lay-men this we say for these Reasons 1. Because the Apostle makes a difference betwixt them and men in office Rom. 12. 6 7. Answ We have already answered this that in two places of Scripture we find Prophets not differenced from but reckoned Ephes 4. 1 Cor. 12. among Officers And that in this place Rom. 12. the Apostle speaks of them as Officers Having different gifts saith Paul whether Way of the Chur of Chr. c. 2. S. 1. prophesic c. Gifts comprehending both offices and grace So Mr. Cotton Kno. 2. Because he exhorts all to desire to prophesie and all that can may use it and yet not all in office Neither will any one as I suppose say that the Apostle would have all officers fo● if they were all eyes where were the body Answ His Reason out of the Corinths is already answered That the Apostle would have all Preachers officers is that I in this whole Discourse defend That the Apostle would not have all men to be officers I agree with John Knowls and his reason is good t is the Apostles but not for him For is it not all one for the body to be all eyes and to have all the members do the office of the eyes And if the feet and hands can see their own way and direct the body too may not the eyes be well spared out of the head and no want of them especially if they might be otherwise usefully imployed for the good of the body But the eyes must see and the hands and feet do other work And Christ hath appointed in the Churches Officers to preach and do the work of the Ministery and private members to do other work their own work 1 Thes 4. 11. Beza makes another use of this Reason Ye may all prophesie 1 Cor. 14. 31. Omnes nimirùm prophetae ergo non quivis ex coetu imo non nisi ad prophetandi munus legitime ordinati Num enim ut idem ait alibi omnes sunt prophetae i. e. All namely Prophets therefore not every one of the congregation nay none but such as are lawfully ordained to the office of prophesying For as saith the same Apostle elsewhere are all Prophets So He. 1 Cor. 12. 19. There remains now not any one thing that I observe pertinent to the question in hand in Jo Knowls his writing unanswered Other things impertinent I shall do him and the Reader the courtesie to passe by Onely I must return answer to one demand The Minister speaking how needful the knowledge of Arts and Tongues were in a Preacher John Knowls demands Kno. Whether by Arts he doth understand the Art of Geometry Astronomy or the like or whether all Arts and for tongues whether it be the Welsh Irish Latine Greek or Hebrew or whether all tongues be required to make a man fit for prophesying Answ Somewhat to this scoffe Should a man come to an Artificers shop and scoffe at all his hammers files and tools the Artificer In this