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A89837 A few words occasioned by a paper lately printed, stiled, A discourse concerning the Quakers. Together with a call to magistrates, ministers, lawyers, and people to repentance. Wherein all men may see, that the doctrine and life of those people whom the world scornefully calls Quakers, is the very doctnrie [sic] and life of Christ. Written for the sake of the simple minded ones, who are willing to follow Christ under the crosse, and to deny all things to be his disciples. By a servant of the Lord, reproached by the world, and carnall worshippers, under the name of a Quaker; whose name in the flesh is Iames Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.; A. P. 1654 (1654) Wing N279; Thomason E731_23; ESTC R202987 25,300 28

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a guide to others and what hast thou to doe to judge any But he that hath the light of Christ hath an infallible light which whosoever followes shall not walke in darkenesse Iohn 8. 12 1. 9. but shall have the light of life and as this light ariseth judgement Psal 36 9 is brought forth for all judgement is given unto the Mat. 5 14 Ephes 5. 13 14. Sunne and in that light all his see light and are led into all truth and this light shewes all things in measure and ten 1 Iohn 5 6 7. thousand being gathered by this light and not runne before it shall be all taught one way be of one heart minde and soule but all who stumble at this light are in darkenesse confusion and at a jarre among themselves And whereas thou would make people beleeve that this light they walke by will not endure the light of the word that is deceit in yee for it is the word which is nigh in the heart and in the mouth and doth Rom. 10. 8. not oppose it selfe but is one with Scripture as all they are who walke in it onely it opposeth all the twinings and wresting 2 Pet. 3 1● of the Serpent whereby he would wrest the Scripture to deceive with Thou sayest the Saints have a glorious light in them but Ephes 4 18. imperfect Is there any glorious light but the light of Christ and thou that calls that an imperfect light art blinde and not able to judge of light It is true the light is but manifest in the Ephe. 4. 7. creature by degrees but the least degree is perfect in its measure and being obeyed will leade to the perfect day and is perfect John 17. 23. in it selfe and leads up to perfection all that perfectly follow it And thou that so often would put the externall Letter that had a beginning in stead of Christ the Eternall Word by which Rom 2 29. all things were made and who dwelleth in the Saints and liveth in them and enlightneth them doth sufficiently cleare thy selfe Iohn 12. 46. that thou knowest him not in thee And whereas thou talkest of trying the light by the Letter If thou hadst him who is the Eternall Witnesse within thy selfe thou wouldst see thou needest 1 Iohn 5. 10. not to try the inward substance by the outward declaration the living by the dead The Apostle saith The Word is powerfull sharper then a two-edged sword c. and this thou twines to deceive the simple and saith the Scripture is so why wilt thou wrest the Scripture to thy own destruction thou hast long had the Bible by thee but what hath it cut downe or divided in thee or hath it discerned the thoughts and intents of thy heart thou and thy sinns are not yet divided Thou sayest Owles fly the the light but see who cannot owne the light and they are such Iohn 3. 20. 21. who love the works of the night And thou that speaks lightly vildely or accursedly of the light of Christ in his Saints speakest evill of that thou knowest not and shall account for thy Iude 10. blasphemy And thou deceitfull spirit that gathers up the working power of Christ in the Saints and would attribute it to the Letter art about to make poore ignorant people beleeve that 2 Cor. 3 6. the the Letter is the Spirit and that the Letter is the Word Rom. 7 6. 2. 29. which is but a declaration of the Word and it selfe saith plainly Christ is the Word but the Letter is not Christ and this Iohn 1. 14. Rev. 19. 13. would make people beleeve that he that hath the Letter hath the Spirit when both thou and many more may have the Letter and persecute the spirit and blaspheme against the holy Ghost as was in the Jews and is at this day Thou speakes of the Word of God in which Christ and the Spirit speakes and thus thou would make them who are blinde beleeve it is the Letter and to prove it thou brings these Scriptures Heb. 1. 2. but was that the Letter by which God had spoken to them which he calls the Sonne of God is the Letter the Sunne And that in the Revel 2. 17. he doth not say Heare what the Letter saith but Heare what the Spirit saith or that in Ephes 6. 17. is it there called the Sword of the Letter or the Sword of the Spirit And thou wilt make people beleeve that God doth all in the hearts of his people by the Letter without Thou sayest by it he sanctifies enlightens comforts seales witnesseth teacheth c. which if thou meane the Letter which thou callest the Word then the Iude 1. Iohn 14. 26. Letter it selfe shall witnesse against thee in all these that it is not Ephes 4. 30. the Letter but the Spirit that doth all this where they are indeed Rom. 8. 14. 16. Thou sayest Without the Word he doth nothing in us speaks 1 Thes 4. 10. nothing in us in the highest revelations it is the ground of Faith 1 Cor. 2. 10. and without it Faith cannot act and the Faith hath no bottome but the Word which if thou meane the Letter of Scripture I answer wherein thou sayest in us here thou shewest thy selfe a stranger to the works word revelation and faith that the Saints did witnesse as is plaine in the Letter for they witnesse the works of God in them in spirit and not in Letter the word from Gods owne mouth in spirit and revelation in spirit but Gal. 1. 12. Ephes 1. 17. never any in the Letter And thou art ignorant of Abrahams Gal. 3. 6. 7. 9. 3. 16. Faith and the ground of it which had a ground when there was no Letter and acted when there was no Letter but they who are of Abrahams Seed witnesse Abrahams Faith grounded on the Promised seed which is Christ and is acted in him and not on the Letter which works word revelation and faith I witnesse in me in the spirit and not in the Letter and that faith which is in Christ stands not in Volumes Thou sayest this is a more sure word of Prophesie and to prove it thou quotes 2 Pet. 1. 19. where the Apostle speaks not of the Letter but of the light of Christ shining in the darke hearts to which they were to give heed that by it they might be led to the day this is in their hearts and not in the Letter which light thou scornes and calls it an Ignis fatuus a satannicall fallen light but thou yet knowest not what thou speakest that blasphemes the true Iohn 1. 9. 19. light that is come into the world and lighteneth every one that comes into the world yea them which never saw Letter which is the condemnation of those who obey it not but love their evill deeds Thou sets downe many benefits the
rule of the Gospel and the divine inspiring of the holy Ghost the infallible rule of all obedience and worship and judgement of all actions but come to tryall and see whether they that owne the light of Christ in spirit and follow it or they that call it an Ignis fatuus deny the rule of the Gospel And whether they that witnesse the same spirit and the inspiration Rom. 8 5 6 7 9. of it without humane helps letter or learning as the 1 Cor. 12 4. to the 14. verse Saints in all ages have done every one in their measures of that free gift given to profit withall or they that would make people beleeve that all such divine inspirations and gifts of the spirit were now ceased and now the letter is all the spirit they must look for deny the devine inspirations of the holy Ghost the infallible rule of all obedience and worship and judge of all actions and for the denying of O dinances thou so much chargeth Mat. 15. 9. them with if it come to tryall they will be found onely to deny your tradition temples and humane inventions never commanded by Christ nor practised by any that ever he sent and Christ never annexed the promise of his presence to that Rom. 6. 2 7. 18. 22. which he never commanded Thou art offended that they should be set free from or have sinne taken away from them Now thou 1 Iohn ● 8. 9. 10. shewest plainely whose Kingdome thou wouldest uphold And thou sayest that by denying sinne to be in them they overthrow repentance but here thou shewest thy blindnesse For he that forsakes his sinne doth establish his repentance but he that returnes unto sinne againe overthrowes it Thou tells of being Heb. 6. ● godded with God but see what spirit that is that thou art led by 2 Cor. 7. 10. who dare take the holy name of God so scornefully in thy mouth to cast as a derision upon others Thou art offended that Heb. 10. 14 Ephes 4 11. 12 13. those should witnesse perfection And is it not the end for which Christ came into the world suffered sent out his Ministers into Col. 1. 28. the world And why dost thou professe Christ and the Scripture and thus opposes the end of his comming and what he did worke in his Saints which is to set free from sinne and bring Rom. 8. 10. to perfection which Christ commands and which the Scriptures witnesse in the Saints but there is nothing more opposed by Iohn 17 23. the Devill and his Instruments then to have the worke of mans Redemption perfected Thou sayest the many ridiculous practises of their franticke mould be too much to relate And hereby thou wouldest render them as vile as thou canst to others but the wayes of Christ were no worse for such as thou saying he was mad for the wayes of God have alwayes been counted madnesse and folly to that generation what thou intend in that word many I know not for where nothing is mentioned in particular I cannot answer But for those thou namest are these they will not put off the Hat to any not to a Magistrate That they thinke it a speciall Badge of their profession to say and write Thou and Thee and by no means say Sir or Master to any and that some will not answer or speake to any question and thou quarrells at some for forsaking the world and giving over their Callings I answer When wilt thou cease wrangling at their obedience of the commands of Christ witnessed in the Scripture Hast thou nothing amongst all those many ridiculous practises thou tells on to charge on them but are according to Scripture Where doth God require putting off Hats or Mat. 4. 10. Iam 2 1. 9. worshipping any creature Magistrate or others And why may Psal 40 4. it not be a badge if thou so call it of their profession to use the Iob 13. 10 the Scripture Language and where dost thou finde any other Iohn 5 44. Language in the Scripture but thou or thee to a particular whatsoever he was that was spoken to And no wonder that thou stumble that any should witnesse the power of the Scripture when it s taken for such an offence with thee to witnesse the outward Language which all holy men of God have used in Scripture and yet thou calls the Scripture a standing Rule but thou wilt neither make it thy Rule nor suffer them that would And for refusing calling Master is it not the command of Christ Mat. 23. 7 8 10. and dost thou deserve the name of a Christian who would make it an offence to obey his commands because it crosseth thy pride And for their silence Is there not a time to speake and a Eccl. 3 7. time to be silent And was not Christ asked many questions and Mat. 27 12. answered nothing And doth not the Scripture say Answer not a Foole according to his folly And when Christ did answer the tempters it was either with silence or contrary to what they Luke 14. 26. would have had And for for forsaking the world must not all that will come to Christ forsake the World And were they not in Mat. 10 37. their Calling who left their Ships their Fathers and receit of Custome and Wife and Children and Lands to follow the commands of Christ Oh thou enemy of all obedience to Christ dost thou reproach that which thy carnall heart will not suffer thee to follow thou shalt sinde it true that whosoever will not forsake these for Christs sake cannot be his Disciple but it seems the neerer to Christ that any comes in obedience the greater is thy malice to such thou showest thy generation And art thou not ashamed when thou hast done to charge these with disclayming Scripture-light thou loves to talke of the Scriptures but art an enemy to the walking in them Thou sayest of those uncleane birds thou hast heard of none that have returned to the Arke by which if thou meane your Temples or carnall Ordinances I tell thee they make a bad returne who have knowne the Lord in spirit and worshipped in spirit if they returne into Formes and Customes againe to be made perfect Thou sayest seperate not betweene Word and Spirit between Graces and Ordinances but the Apostle doth deny the Gal. 3. 3. 2 Cor. 3 6 ministration of the Letter and ownes the Spirit And he that cannot distinguish between the graces of Gods spirit and your outward Formes you call Ordinances he knowes but little yet as he ought to know Thou tells of Praying and Mourning for sinne bewayling the Heart Reading the Word and Meditating in it Night and Day And thou sayest Its impossible for such an one to fall into this condemnation of the Devill but I tell thee though these may be done and in as much zeale as the Pharisees did them yet if there
A Few Words occasioned by a Paper lately Printed Stiled A Discourse concerning the QUAKERS Together with a Call to Magistrates Ministers Lawyers and People to Repentance Wherein all men may see that the Doctrine and Life of those People whom the world scornefully calls Quakers is the very Doctnrie and Life of Christ Written for the sake of simple minded ones who are willing to follow Christ under the Crosse and to deny all things to be his Disciples By a Servant of the Lord reproached by the world and carnall worshippers under the Name of a Quaker whose Name in the Flesh is Iames Nayler To the READER Friend MEeting lately with a Printed Paper stiled A Discourse concerning the Quakers and finding many things in it deeply reflecting on the spirit of the Lord sent into the hearts of men to reprove and convince them of sinne and reproaching his holy people whom he hath called out of the world and that it was scattered abroad into many hands and so might prove a stumbling blocke to weake minds I was moved to send it to a friend in the West who for the simple ones sake hath given forth a few things that truth might appeare And if there be any that by Reading this shall be brought to discover truth from error or to lay to heart their conditions and how they have hitherto trifled away their pretious time There is another Paper now in the Presse from the same hand which will shew forth the true light that guides to God and opens the Scriptures removes the doubts about the great power of the Lord manifested in shaking the earthly part of those he brings to himselfe plainly declare the deceipts of the false prophets of the world and let the Magistrate see the bounds of his Authority There is another Paper come forth by the Author of the former Discourse occasioned by something Writ in Answer to it by one who saith he is none of those called Quakers and yet the Discourser chargeth all things he saith on them But the Paper sufficiently bewrayes the Authors weakenesse and its owne folly Reade without prejudice that thou may receive Instruction and not increase thy owne misery A. P. A Paper being come to my hand which is full of deceit under pretence of Religion and a Forme of Profession striking at the life of all Religion which is obedience to all the commands of God in the spirit and under pretence of the Letter which he calls the Word he goes about to reproach and scorne and sleight the teachings of Christ in the spi●it whereby he rules in the consciences of his Saints and by which light he reveales the Father in them and thereby declares himselfe to be the Eternall Word and Witnesse within his which Word first was known within them a free gift of the Father without any Letter or humane Learning and then declared out in the Letter But they who as the Jews thinke they have salvation in the Letter are enemies and persecutors of John 5. 3● them who have the Eternall Witnesse of salvation in the Spirit Gal. 3. 2● And from that spirit hath this Paper its foundation for God having put the enmity between the carnall and the sp●rituall Seeds there can be no agreement Now though I abhorre striving for Master-hood in words or writing yet for the sake of the simple ones who not yet having the true judgement and salt in themselves to discerne of spirits are subject to take great swelling words of mans wisedome for the power of God unto 1 Cor. 2. 5. 6. salvation I am therefore moved to lay open some of the deceits in this Paper that where truth and simplicity is in the heart it may more cleerly judge of truth from dece●t The Paper is Titled A Discourse concerning the Quakers It is no new thing for the dearest servants and children of God Psal 69 12. Psal 31. ●1 to be a discourse a reproach a taunt and by-word a wonder and Psal 22 6. a scorne to fooles and wicked men and to have the belly-god and drunkard to make songs of their sad and afflicted conditions Psal 60 12. and to be called by nick-names such as it pleaseth Ishmaels Iohn 10. 20. brood to cast upon them to be called Devills Deceivers Heretickes Franticke Madd men Quakers and such like but it is that the same Scriptures may be fulfilled in the Saints that were in Christ their example As they have done unto me so will Luke 23. 31. they doe unto you If they keep my sayings they will also keep yours If they have called the good man of the house Beelzebub how much more them of his houshold Thou sayest It s plainely fore-told that in the last dayes shall be the greatest Deceivers and worst of Hypocrites men extraordinarily inspired with a spirit of lyes and delusion It is above sixteen hundred yeares since those were foretold and they have had so long a time since to broach their deceits and strengthen themselves in the earth that the deceit is now growne a monster and hath got many heads and hornes religions Revel 13. 1. and formes one at warre with another striving with words and weapons who should be greatest But now that Christ is arisen in his Saints to reveale this man of sinne by his 2 Thes 2. 7. 8. light and to destroy him with the sword of his mouth All Ezek. 38. 18. 19. formes of Religions the Beast and the false Prophet Gog and Acts 4. 26. 27. Magog are joyned together to strike at this light and no wonder for that deceitfull spirit knowes that that light which discovers him in one forme will discover him in all And now the Devill would passe Judgement upon that light which is come to judge him where he is and so set any whom he can prevaile in to cast reproach upon it under many odious names that so he may keep people at a distance from so much as owning Luke 6. 22. it for he knowes if any owne it there he is discovered and dis-owned and this is his way in all in whom he speaks to cry out against those that walke in the light in generall calling them Deceivers Heretickes Hypocrites denyers of Scriptures Acts 24. 14. Acts 6. 13. 14. and Ordinances and many such words as he thinks may make the truth most odious to others but not once shew in what particular such walke contrary to the Scripture for the deceit knowes that if it come to tryall it selfe will be found that which walkes contrary to the Scripture for the same light that gave out the Scriptures leades not contrary to it And now who will be the greatest deceivers whether a poore despised persecuted reproached people whom God hath called out of the worlds wayes words workes worship riches and pleasures and so are become strangers and wanderers to and fro seeking a City whose builder and maker is God Heb 11. 26.
Saints have in the Word which is true but thou that would ascribe them to the Letter knowest them not but in the notion Thou sayest that those that have glorioser discoveries and revelations of Christ to boast on then ever any of those men knew yet doe cast downe the glory of their light before the Scriptures and are in subjection to Scriptures and Ordinances And thou dost instance the Disciples who saw Christ ascend I answer Whether is it a more glorious discovery and manifestation of Christ to see him appearing in them the second time in the spirit without sinne unto salvation or that to see him depart in the flesh seeing Christ tells them lt Heb. 9. 28. 2 Tim. 1. 10. is necessary that he goe away in the Flesh that he may come in the Spirit thou dost sufficiently cleare thy ignorance measuring Iohn 14. 28. 1 Cor. 15. 8. others who witnesse him with thy selfe who knowes no more of him but what thou hast found of him in the Letter And for that subjection to the Scripture and Ordinances and waiting thou speakes on did they waite in the letter and in those formes and customes and Idols temples that you waite in they waited together for the appearance of Christ in spirit praying in that measure of spirit they had received Thou goest about to make people beleeve that the light of Christ which is Acts 1. 14. given to enlighten every one that comes into the world is a naturall or fallen light but if thou didst know owne and obey it it would leade thee out of the fall and for that end art thou and others so often checkt and reproved by it for your pride Iohn 8. 12 covetousnesse envy scornefulnesse and other sinnes which though you now disobey as a thing too low for your high notions yet this light shall remaine for an eternall witnesse against all that hate and disobey it And whereas thou would scandall this light to leade into exorbitances deceit and miscarriages and many such things they are falsly cast upon this light for all these are amongst you who hate the light but who so obeys and loves the light it discovers these and leades all who follow it into one minde heart and soule and if ten times ten thousand that are guided by it yet not a word of dispute Acts 4. 32. but all speake the same things And thou calls the Scriptures A standing Rule but it is not so to you who cannot beleeve that ever it shall be fulfilled in you as it was given out by the holy Ghost neither will you so be tryed by it but you will wrest and twine it to make it meet your wills where your profits pleasures and lust will not suffer you to take up the Crosse and come up to it but if it be a Standing Rule let it stand as it is not confounded with the Serpents Wisedome and then prove thy selfe by it and those people thou reproaches and mis-calls whether thou or they owne it in practice Thou calls the Word of God the Sunne of truth and yet thou would make people beleeve it is the Scripture Letter Is the Letter the Sunne of truth may not all that looke on yee see thee in Babylon Thou sayest How could it be knowne that there is a God and Christ and holy ● Iohn 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Ghost with their works and worships I answer If thou know not Iohn 4. 22 23. 24. the Father Sonne and Spirit one God and the way of his worship other wayes then thou hast found in the Letter thou Phil. 3. 3. knows but that in letter and notion which all the Saints of God knew in spirit and power and thou worships in letter and forme thou knowes not what who doth not know and worship in spirit and herein thou shalt have Christ all the holy men to witnes against thee Thou sayest the holy Ghost interprets Scripture by Scripture und reveales Christ the Father the holy Ghost the soules union with them by Scripture I answer The holy Ghost where he 2 Pet. 1. 21 is needs no Scripture to interpret Scripture by who gave forth Iohn 14. 26 Mat. 13. 10 11. all the Scripture and opens it againe for the holy Ghost did not give out the Scripture in Parables to its own seed but to the Serpents seed and as that spirit ariseth it opens and brings Iohn 16. ● all that is spoken in Scripture to remembrance and leades into all truth in its measure and when any in whom the spirit was have made use of Scripture in such like cases it hath not been to open the meaning to themselves but to convince others who had not the spirit or would not owne it And for sovles union 2 Cor. 3. 3. which of the Saints had the witnesse of their soules union to seek in the Letter but he that beleeveth hath the witnesse in himselfe 1 Iohn 5 10. Rom. 8. 16. in spirit and not in the letter and for trying and judging 1 Cor. 2. 15. it is not the litterall but the spirituall man that judgeth all things and no visible thing can judge him Thou would have them to suspect this light those who have no light to walke by but what they by their wisedome and learning have gathered out of the letter have cause to suspect it but they who have the infallible light of Christ by which all is tryed and judged and discerned and judgement brought forth into victory in themselves by it they have no cause to suspect it but waite to walke in it Thou art offended that they should say they pray 1 Thes 5. 17. alwayes have the Baptisme of Fire eate the Flesh and drinke the 2 Thes 1. 11. blood of Christ that they were once as others Hypocrites now why Mat. 3. 11. wilt thou thus wrangle that the cōmands and promises of Christ John 6. 53. should be witnessed fulfilled in the Saints now as they have bin in Scripture witnessed Doth not the Apostles exhort to pray alwayes without ceasing and are any Baptized into Christ who are not able to witnesse the Baptisme of Fire and the Spirit without which Water Baptisme availes not to salvation And doth not Christ plainely say that whosoever eats not his Flesh and drinkes not his blood hath no life in them And have not the Saints Rom. 6. 21. witnessed a time wherein they were hypocrites and in the world without the true God And thou sayest they can give no Scriture account of the estate they are now in and yet dost blame them for owning the Scripture fulfilled in them in these things but that nature could never be satisfied with Christ nor any of his nor any account from them though they could not convince them of sinne yet they would tempt hate and persecute even till death if they had power Thou would make people beleeve that these deny the