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A00602 The Romish Fisher caught and held in his owne net. Or, A true relation of the Protestant conference and popish difference A iustification of the one, and refutation of the other. In matter of fact. faith. By Daniel Featly, Doctor in Diuinity. Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645.; Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645. Fisher catched in his owne net. aut 1624 (1624) STC 10738; ESTC S101879 166,325 348

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prophesies are cleerly fulfilled in it First 1. Tim. 1. 4. Now the Spirit speaketh expresly that In the later times some shall depart from the faith giuing heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of diuels forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats which God hath appointed to be receiued with thanksgiuing This Prophesie hath been fulfild in the Papacy euer since Pope Hildebrand's time in which as Auentin●● reports the people in some places trod vnder foot the Hoasts that were consecrated by married Priests Tales enim non esse sacerdotes neque sacrificare Hildebrandus docebat for Hildebrand taught that such were no Priests And again Maritos ab vxoribus separat scorta pudicis coniugibus stuprà incestus adulteri● casto praefert matrimonio Hee seuered men from their wiues he preferred harlots before married wiues fornication adultery and incest before chaste marriage And likewise in the Papacy that part of the Prophesie is fulfilled touching the forbidding of certain meats as for example flesh and egges and white meats and the like and that for conscience sake and vnder paine of deadly sin and accounting such abstinence meritorious Secondly that Prophesie in 2. Thes. 2. 9. Comming after the power of Satan in all power of signes and lying wonders is daily fulfilled in the Papacy and no where else See their Legends old and new Thirdly that Prophesie 2. Pet. 2. 18. They allure by the lusts of the flesh through much wantonnesse c. is fulfilled in the Papacy which permitteth publick Stews I might say alloweth because who keep those houses do therefore pay a pension to the Pope Fourthly that Prophesie Iude 16. speaking great swelling words of vanity is fulfilled in the Papacy which teacheth that the Church of Rome is the Mother and Queen of all Churches that the Pope cannot erre that hee is aboue the Law of God that those who adhere to him can more than merit heauen they can supererrogate Fiftly that Prophesie 2 Pet. 2. 3. and Apoc. 18. 3. The Merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies Through couetousnesse shall they with feigned words make Merchandize of you and the like in the Apoc. is fulfilled in the Papacie which draweth an infinite treasure by the Merchandize of pardons and indulgences for releasing soules out of Purgatory Sixtly that Prophesie 2. Thes. 2. 4. Hee as God sitteth in the Temple of God shewing himselfe that hee is God is verified in the Papacie which giueth the Pope the stile of Lord God Head of the Church Lyon of the Tribe of Iuda c. and power to dispence with breach of oathes and incestuous marriages c. Seuenthly that Prophesie 2. Thes. 2. 7. The mystery of iniquity doth already worke onely hee who 〈◊〉 letteth will let vntill he be taken out of the way and 〈◊〉 shall that wicked man be reuealed This I say according to the interpretation of the Fathers Ter●●l and Chrysostome is fulfilled in the Papacie Tertullian saith Romani imperij absessi● in decem Reges diuisa Antichristum superinducit The decay of the Romane Empire diuided into 〈◊〉 Kings shall bee the bringing in of Antichrist Chrysostome giueth some more light saying When the Romane Empire shall be taken away then hee shall come Now all the world seeth that the Papacie is built vpon the ruines of the Romane Empire and at this day possesseth the seat thereof Eightthly that Prophesie Reuel 9. 3. 7 There came out of the smoke Locusts vpon the earth c. and on their heads were as it were Crownes c. agreeth to your swarmes of Monks and Friers and one of your own Expositors interpreteth their Crownes the round circle vpon your shauelings head like vnto a Crowne Ninthly That Prophesie Reuel 13. 11. And I beheld another Beast comming vp out of the earth and he had two hornes like a Lamb and he spake as a Dragon and hee exerciseth all the power of the first Beast c. agreeth to the Papacie and Pope who resembleth Christ whose Vicar hee calleth himselfe and yet carrieth himselfe like a Dragon in the Church and he exerciseth also the power of the first Beast to weet the Romane Empire described in the first verse by seuen heads and ten hornes because as the first Beast the Romane Empire by power and temporal authority so the Pope by policie and spirituall iurisdiction ruleth ouer a great part of the world Tenthly that Prophesie Reuel 13. 18. Let him that hath vnderstanding count the number of the Beast for it is the number of a man and his number is 666. agreeth to the Pope as I shewed before out of Irenaeus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nomen habet 666. et valdè verisimile est et nouissimum regnum hoc habet vocabulum Latini enim sunt qui nunc regnant that is that name Latinus hath in it these numerall letters which make vp 666. and this is very like to be the name of the Beast the last Kingdome hath this name for they are Latines who now rule Arethas agreeth with Irenaeus in iudgement as Feuer dentius himselfe noteth Eleuenthly that Prophesie Reuel 17. 3. I saw a woman sit vpon a scarlet-coloured Beast full of names of blasphemie hauing seuen heads and ten horns and verse 9 The seuen heads are seuen hils on which the woman sitteth and verse 18 The woman is the City which reig●eth ouer the Kings of the earth agreeth with the Papacy as Saint Ierom teacheth vs. Twelfthly that Prophesie Reuel 17. 4. The woman was araied in purple and scarlet color and decked with gold and precious stones and pearles hauing a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and silthinesse of her fornication supra verse 2. With whom the Kings of the earth haue committed fornication and the inhabiters of the earth haue been made drunk with the wine of her fornication agreeth to the Papacy which is set forth in most pompous manner and enticeth the Kings and people of the earth to idolatry which is spirituall fornication Thirteenthly that Prophesie Reuel 17. 6. And I saw the woman drunken with the bloud of the Saints and with the bloud of the Martyrs of Iesus agreeth to the Papacy or Romish Synagogue which hath spilt the bloud of many thousand protestant Martyrs since the 1000 yeer in w th Satan was let loose vnder the name of Waldensian and Albigēsian hereticks the like names of reproach Fourteenthly that Prophesie Reuel 17. 16. 17. And the tenne horns shall hate the Whore c. for God put in their hearts to giue their Kingdome to the Beast till the Word of God be fulfilled agreeth to the Pope and Papacy to which the greater part of the Kings of the earth after a sort gaue their Kingdomes by submitting themselues and subiecting their Kingdomes to the Antichristian Yoke But now God bee blessed diuers Kings and States whose eies God hath anointed with the eye-salue of the Spirit haue
former acknowledge that the Hussites and Waldenses walked with a right foot in that way of Truth which since Luther blessed bee God hath beene much more cleerely discouered and trodden then in former times If Protestant Writers sway little with you who yet could better tell then you or M. Sweet and such other new vpstart Iesuites who were Luthers forerunners learne of your owne Rainerius and Claudius de Seissel and Cocleus and Lyndanus and Claudius Rubis and Aeneas Syluius and Iohn Dubranius and Alfonsus à Castro and the Author of the Fasciculus rerum exet and many other that the Waldenses bore a Torch before Luther and shewed him his way Yea but Schlusenburg saith It is impudencie to say that many learned men in Germany did hold the doctrine of the Lutheran Gospell Schlusenburgs words are Impudenter scribit Vtenboyus seex Conrado Pellicano audiuisse multos viros eruditos in Germaniâ priusquam prodiret Lutherus euangelij doctrinam tenüisse adeoque ipsum Pellicanum priusquam auditum esset nomen Lutheri Purgatorium Papisticum reiecisse Vtenboius writes impudently that he heard Conradus Pellicanus affirme that many learned men in Germany held the doctrine of the Gospell before Luther appeared and that Pellicanus himselfe impugned the Popish Purgatory before the name of Luther was heard For ought I know Vtenboius is as honest a man as Schlusenburgius and if Schlusenburgius deny it Vtenboius affirmeth it yea and for ought is prooued to the contrary Conradus Pellicanus also yet that which Schlusenburg maintaineth for the honor of his Master no way helpeth your cause for admit there were not in Germany yet there might bee elsewhere many thousands as in Bohemia France England c. who before Luther embraced the doctrine of the Gospell Secondly in Germany it selfe there were not multi eruditi viri many learned men yet there might be some for ought Schlusenburg saith to the contrary therefore Schlusenburges testimony falls very short neither doth George Myllius his come much neerer to the marke His words are Si antecessores Lutherus in officio habuisset Orthodoxos Si Apostasia commissa ab Episcopis Pontificijs non fuisset Lutherana reformatione opus non fuisset Non ergo possumus veros monstrare Episcopos qui ante Lutherum sub Papatu fuerint praedecessores Lutheri Si enim tales fuissent in Romana Ecclesia discedendi ab ista causa non fuisset If Luther had had orthodoxall Predecessors in his Office If the Popish Bishop had not made an Apostasie there should haue beene no need of a Lutheran Reformation Therefore we cannot shew true Bishops vnder the Papacie to whom Luther succeeded for if there had beene such in the Romane Church there had beene no cause to depart from it What makes this testimony for you Is it for the honor of your Church to bee truly branded with Apostasie to haue no orthodoxal Bishops bearing rule in it What though there were no right-beleeuing Bishops vnder or in the Papacy will it follow that there were no right-beleeuing Christians elsewhere It is true Reformation presupposeth a Deformation as a remedy presupposeth a disease a purgation precedent matter fit to bee purged Though the Romane Church or rather the predominant faction in the Romane Church was vnsound in the faith and very corrupt and rotten yet were there other sound members of Christs Church in whose steps it is well knowne that Luther trod What a paralyticall Paralogisme is this Myllius a Lutheran affirmeth that There were 〈◊〉 orthodoxall or right-beleeuing Bishops in the Romane Sea therfore there were no visible Protestants in all the world before Luther Now for Benedictus Morgenst Non est inuentus in Baliua nostra Hee who found him for you makes him runne the same way with Ioachimus Camerarius but not whither you would haue him They both stand for the honor of Luther and maintaine that he alone laid the first stone in the Fabrick of reformation that none ought to share with him in that dignity in beeing the first Apostle of the reformed Churches They will not endure that Luther should be thought to draw water out of any other Cisterne but out of the Fountaine of liuing water the Scriptures Wicklef indeed saith Ioachimus was instructed by the Waldenses and Hus by Wicklef but Luther receiued his doctrine neither from Hus nor Wicklef but was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 taught of himselfe out of Scriptures This preeminency all Protestants doe not willingly grant to Luther Zuinglius and Pellicanus and Vtenboius and your owne Alfonsus à Castro seeme to make others as ready forward at that time as Luther And indeed whether Luther set Zuinglius or Zuinglius Luther first a-work or whether the Spirit of God stird vp both their spirits at the same instant to set to that noble work of repairing and reforming Gods Temple I hold it needlesse to define Let Luther and Zuinglius and many other their contemporaries and fellow-workmen in that great work shine as so many precious stones in the foundation of the reformed Churches Ne sit primus nec vel imus quispiam Will it follow that because Luther was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and did not tind his candle at another mans light therefore there was no visible Protestant at that time but hee It will follow say you because Morgenst addeth that It is manifest to the whole world that before Luther's time all Churches were ouerwhelmed with more then Cymerian darknesse And you adde also to Morgenst fiue other corroboratory testimonies of Caluin Bucer Beza Iewell and Perkins whereunto after I haue giuen a direct and particular answer I will dismisse you Master FISHER And lest this may bee thought to haue beene onely the conceit of Luther and Lutherans who yet could better tell then D. Featly D. White and such other new Masters I will adde heereunto what is said first by Caluin who doth acknowledge that in this Lutheran reformation there was made a discession or departure from all the world Secondly by Bucer who calleth Luther the first Apostle of the reformed doctrine Thirdly by Beza a principall Caluinist who teacheth that at this time ordinary vocation of the Church-men was no where extant and consequently teacheth that there was at that time no visible Church and so if any Church at all it was onely inuisible as is affirmed euen by our owne English Protestant Diuines namely Master Iewel who saith The truth was vnknowne and vnheard of when Martin Luther and Viderick Zuinglius first came to the knowledge and preaching of the Gospell and M. Perkins who saith Wee say that before the daies of Luther for the space of many hundred yeeres an vniuersall Apostasie ouer-spred the whole face of the earth and that our Protestant Church was not visible to the world Doctor FEATLY When Caluin saith There was a departure made from all the world and Morgenst That