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A17036 An ansvvere to Master Cartvvright his letter for ioyning with the English Churches: whereunto the true copie of his sayde letter is annexed. Browne, Robert, ca. 1550-1633.; Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.; Harrison, Robert, d. 1585?, attributed name. 1585 (1585) STC 3909; ESTC S109433 77,571 102

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his eyes he may well perceiue thē not only to be vngodly but altogether childish vnlearned Nowe we come to answere other matters which fall out of the former proofes As that he saith the Scribes were altogether deceiued in the Messiah He might rather saye they were ignorant in some mysteries of the Messiah then all together deceiued And so Paul saith of them That had they knowen they woulde not haue crucified the Lorde of gloríe And Peter also saith That the people did it of ignorance as also did their gouernours Yea the Apostles them selues were a long time ignorant in some mysteries of the Messiah And Christ testifieth that many Prophetes and righteous men desired to see and heare those thinges which the Apostles sawe and heard but did not see nor heare them Yea saith Peter The Angels desire to beholde these thing concerning the sussering and glorye of Christ And therefore Paul calleth this a great mysterie that God sho●ld be manifested in the flesh iustified in the Spirite seene of Angels preached vnto the Gentiles beleeued on in the worlde and receiued vp in glorie The Scribes and Pharises knewe that the Messiah shoulde come that he was the holy one annointed of God as appeareth by their answere to Christ. The woman of Samaria knewe that hee shoulde be the annointed Prophet and tell them all things All the Priestes and Scribes knewe that he was borne King of the Iewes that he was the gouernour and high Shephearde of Israel that shoulde feede the people They knewe the prophecies that were of him that are written in Daniel in Micah in Isaiah in Ieremie and the rest Both they and the people coulde readily rehearse such prophecies at their fingers ende as where he shoulde be borne whose sonne he was what was his office what great workes he shoulde doe what saluation he shoulde worke to his people what sufferinges he should endure and what shoulde be his glorie But Master Cartwright sayeth They knewe not that Iesus was the sonne of God neither howe the Godhead and manhoode shoulde bee together as in one I answere that no more did the Apostles for a tyme neyther can any man search this mysterie to the deapth For Thomas and Philippe knewe not as we may reade in Iohn How Christ shoulde ascende into heauen to his father and come againe that the Father shoulde be in the sonue and the sonne in the Father Peter also and the rest were ignorant in such mysteries as appeareth in other places Yea they dreamed of a worldly kingdome and a worldly deliuerauce which shoulde be by Christ as is manifest in the Actes and in Luke Wherefore though they beleeued not that that Iesus which was then come in the flesh was the Sonne of God yet they beleeued and knewe the prophecies Namely that he was to be called Immanuel that is God with vs. Againe they knewe another prophecie of Isaiah That he shoulde be called by Name Wonderfull Counseller ●he mightie God c. that he sho●lde sit vpon the throne of Dauid and vpon his kingdome and his gouernement shoulde haue none ende They knewe of whome that prophecie was giuen in the fourescore and nynthe Psalme Hee shall crye vnto me thou art my Father my God and the ro●ke of my saluation also I will make him my first borne higher then the Kinges of the earth Therefore they coulde not bee ignorant that the Christ was the Sonne of God They knewe also that they were to trust in the Sonne as it is written Thou art my Sonne this daye haue I begotten thee K●sse the Sonne least he be angrie and ye perishe in the way when his wrath shall suddenly burne Blessed are all that trust in him So they well knewe that as hys wrath was destructiō so to trust in him was blessing and salutiō sTherefore it is not truely sayd that they were altogether deceiued in the Messiah Rather it is true that they were ignorant but in these two poyntes First howe that particular man being so poore despised and afflicted shoulde be the Messiah and secondly howe he being man shoulde be God also and come downe from heauen to be Manna for the people So then so long as they helde the generall fayth and beleefe concerning the Messiah and were ignorant whether that particular man was the Messias I say this ignoraunce for the time was no open ouerthrowe of any grounde of Religion For the Apostles were commaunded not to preache Christ particularly to bee the Messiah till after his resurrection And the fayth of the holye Fathers before time suffised to saluation though particularly they knewe not Christ neither receiued the promises as sayeth the text But sawe them a farre off and beleeued them and receiued them thankefully Whereas the wordes are that they receiued not the promises and yet receiued them thankefully it is meant that they receiued not the particular perfourmance of those promises in Christ but onely the bare promises that were afterwarde to be fulfilled In this fayth they dyed sayeth the text and yet no doubte they were saued Therefore it was not this particular ignorance that condemned the Pharisees but their frowarde refusing of a further knowledge If Ma-ster Cartwright say that they being so frowarde yet the faithfull did ioyne with them it is manifest to the contrary For the holy Ghost commaunded them to saue them selues from that frowarde generation and so they did For they ioyned with the faithfull onely and of the other sorte sayeth the text meaning them which beleeued not durst no man ioyne him selfe to them And the man whome the Pharisees did cast out or excommunicate chr●st tooke him vnto him as his disciple Whereby it is manifest that Christ both despised and condemned all communion in the Church with such of them as were persecuters Wheseas Master Cartwright sayeth that the Scribes and Pharises taught iustification by workes he hath graunted before that preaching false doctrine they were not to bee heard and therefore the dumbe ministers being no preachers at all are not to bee heard But if they taught that doctrine yet they taught but a true doctrine except they taught it as our Papistes doe at tthis day For the Scripture sayeth That the man that shall doe the workes of the lawe shall liue in them or haue life by them So then hee that can keepe the Lawe without breach of the lawe shall be iustified by the Lawe But Master Cartwright can not prooue that it was a common doctrine among the Pharisees that any man coulde keepe the Lawe without breach thereof Yea there is proofe to the contrary For the chiefe Priest did once euery yeere offer a sinne offering to make an atonement for him selfe for his house and for all the people Likewise were sundry other offeringes and sacrifices obserued
and being in daunger without he runneth in for by faith which is inwarde and the spirite that is inwarde hee woulde iustifie an outwarde churche Againe by an outwarde false and corrupt profession he will iustifie the inwarde spirite and faith of professours to bee syncere Thus with turning and returning to and fro he woulde establishe his errour but hee doeth wearie him selfe in vaine Nowe as his dealing herein is ridiculous so hee increaseth it vnto a shamelesse and blasphemous doctrine For he sayeth that there being but one onely true Christian in a church or congregation and all the rest wicked yea and so wicked that they haue but a bare profession in worde onely without any good workes they shoulde all be counted the church of God for that one mans cause I maruaile howe his penne coulde droppe downe such poyson and he not smell the stinch thereof as he wrote it For by this doctrine euery faithfull christian shall bee aboue Christ. For Master Cartwright doeth giue them power to loose those on earth which God doeth binde in heauen and this power Christ neuer had For if the faith of one or a fewe beleeuers in an assembly be of force to make them all the Church though the rest be grosse offendours then neede they to bynde none in earth And why shoulde Saint Paule alleadge this power of our Lorde Iesus Christ if all may bee taken for the Church by the faith of some For Master Cartwright will giue vs a contrary power namely to reckon all for the churche But will you steale murther commit adulterie and sweare falsely c. sayeth the Lorde and come and stande before me in this house whereupon my Name is called and say We are deliuered though wee haue done all these abominations If Master Cartwright shoulde answere this question we shoulde heare those lying wordes for so the Prophet tearmeth them namely The Temple of the Lorde the Temple of the Lorde allis the Temple and Church of god But a denne of thieues is not the house and Temple of God And if the faith of fewe will make many wretches to be the church then the vnfaithfulnes of many shoulde be of force to make them all no Church But as my wickednesse condemneth no man but my selfe except they partake with me in my wickednes so my faith iustifieth no man to be of the church except they hold with me an outward good profe●sion according to faith For shew me thy faith by thy works saith S. Iam. 2 as who say he would not beleue there were faith if he saw not the works of faith And Paul ioyneth the beleefe of the heart and confession of the mouth both together as needeful vnto righteousnes saluation and by the confession of the mouth he meaneth al outward profession agreeing to faith because the professiō by mouth is chiefest He can not turne his words as if he spake of one truly faithful and all the rest secret hypocrites for he speaketh of the outward profession of the outward works and of the outward church granteth also that there are many outward grosse abuses further he nameth that in wordes only they hold the true faith as who say be the deeds neuer so abhominable yet for that faithful mans sake they are al to be called one church with him If Master Cartwright had sayde cleane contrary he had spoken more truely namely that if among many good liuers one wicked man were founde as a m●rtherer an idolater or an adulterer and the rest become so negligent or wilfull or are helde in such spirituall bondage that any one such open and manifest offence is incurable then the couenant is broken and disanulled with them all till they repent and redresse such wickednesse Proofe there is by the 7. of Ioshua the 13. of Deuteronomie the 9. of Ezra the 20. of Iudges the 3. of Ieremie and 1. verse By the punishment of the whole land for Sauls offence 2. Samuel 21. By the ceremonies of leprosies Of touching vncleane things By the leauen named of Paul that leaueneth the whole lūpe 1. Cor. 5. by sundry other places Wherefore this doctrine of his as it maketh for the Pope that a whole wretched multitude may be the Church and depende on one man cleane ouerthroweth the discipline of the church so it is so contrary to God and all godlinesse that I wonder anye man shoulde haue the face to auouche it If M. C. say that hee meaneth not a profession altogether corrupted but a good profession in other dueties though that bee nought which iustifieth such abuses in assemblies I maruaile howe he dare pronounce it an apparant sanctification or an holy profession in other dueties where there is so corrupt and polluted a profession in publique assemblyes Doth not the Prophet teach vs That that man can haue no name of a righteous iust and holy man which offendeth in any one grose sinne If he sinne in any one of these thinges saith the Prophet though he doe ●ot all these thinges he is a wicked man all the righteousnesse which he hath done shall not be mentioned but his wickednesse shall be vpon him And if it be true that Iames saith cap. ● 26. that not to refraine a mans tongue is to proue his religion vaine then to haue a filthie polluted profession in publique assemblies is to make all other profession filthy and polluted And so reasoneth the Prophet Haggi That as any holy meate was made vnholy and vncleane if a polluted person did but touch it or the skirt of a mans garment did but touch it so much more vncleane was that people and nation and all their holy exercises and sacrifices and all the workes of their handes becuase they polluted them selues but in one thing namely in slacking and fearing to builde the outwarde Temple which was but a figure of the outwarde Church of god at this day But we come to another of Master Cartwrights proofes which hee giueth thus They haue the couenaunts of the churches of god namely the spirit and the worde of god put in their mouthes therefore they are the Churches of god We doe not denie but that there are sundry churches of god but the question is of a corrupt profession by Popish Lawes and of vnlawfull assemblyes made thereby But whatsoeuer corruption there is as he granteth diuers yet they haue the couenant saith he of the spirite and the worde of god in their mouthes So without shame he abuseth that place in Isaiah 59 For he leaueth out one part of the couenant which is That the Lorde will come vnto Zion and to those that turne from iniquitie in Iacob and with them will hee make his couenant wherefore the worde is not the couenant to establish a Church except it reigne and rule in the Church to subdue it in obedience to the Lorde for the Lorde maketh no couenant but with