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A04693 An apolgye made by George Ioye to satisfye (if it maye be) w. Tindale to pourge & defende himself ageinst many sclaunderouse lyes fayned vpon [hi]m in Tindals vncharitable a[n]d vnsober pystle so well worthye to be prefixed for the reader to induce him into the vnderstanding of hys new Testame[n]t diligently corrected & printed in the yeare of oure lorde. M.CCCCC. and xxxiiii. in Nouember. Joye, George, d. 1553. 1535 (1535) STC 14820; ESTC S120468 39,729 106

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the faithful were in heuē there shulde be no resurrecciō of their bodies whiche incōuenience to avoide he laith them down to slepe out of heuē as do the Anabaptists tyl domes daye but here I meruell that Tin is so sclēderly lerned in the forme of arguyng that he se not howe his antecedēce may be true cōsequēce false ¶ Thana baptistys opiniō off the soulis departed seyng that the cōtrary of his cōsequēce is necessary that is to weit there shal be the resurrecciō of the flesshe 1. corinthio 15 Paule thus prouing it If Christ be preached to haue rysen how happeneth that some of you saie thee is no resurrecciō Tyndals argumēt is proued false As who shuld thꝰ argew Christe our head is rysen wherfore yt must nedes folowe that his bodye which is his chirche shall ryse ageyn For wherfore shuld the beyng in heuen of the soulis of Peter Paule of all saintꝭ let the resurrecciō of their bodies more then the being in heuen of Christis soule those iij. dayes did let his resurrecciō Tin wil saye They be al redy in ioye ād therfore there nedeth no resurrecciō And I saye so was christis spirit yet he rose agayn And I denye T. argumēt For were they in neuer so greate ioye yet must their bodies ryse agayn or els he wil make christe a lyer his doctryne false Mat. 5 Heuen erthe shal soner passe away then one iote of god dis worde shal passe vnfulfilled The verite hath sayd it ād wrytē it cōcluding that our bodies shal ryse agein wherfore ther cā no cōdicionall an̄cedēce of T. nor yet of any angel in heuē make this ꝯclusiō false But let vs examē the text se the Saduceis opinion vnto the whyche Christe answereth so directly and so confuteth yt vtterly The Saduceis as wryteth that aunciaūt historiograph Iosephus beinge himself a iew in his .xviij. boke the .ij. ca. sayd that the soule of mā was mortal and dyed with the bodie The Saduceis opinion acto 23 ād Paule cōfirming the same to be their opinion addeth that thei said ther were nether spirits nor angels ¶ Paule declareth the saduceis opinion so that to saye there is nether spirit spirit properly is the soule departed nor aungel is as miche to saye as the soule is mortall no lyfe to be aftir this and the Saduceis in denying the lyfe aftir this denied by the same denye but onely those two that is bothe spirit and angell for if they had denyed by that worde Resurrectio the generall Resurrection to in that place so had thei denied thre distīcte thingis but Paule addyng Pharisei autē vtraque cōfitentur but the pharises graunt them bothe two declareth manifestly that thei denyed but onely two thingis that is to saye bothe spirit angell for aftir this present life tyl domes daye there is no lyfe of eny creature but of these two creatures spirits aungels And if by this worde Resurrectio Paule had vnderstōdē as T. doth the resurrection of the flesshe he wolde not haue sayd the pharyses graūt them bothe but all thre For this worde vtraque as euery latyne mā knoweth is spokē but of two thingis only but as for this my mynde I leaue it vnto the iugemēt of the lerned And nowe shall I proue yt by christis owne answer that the Saduceis in those places of Math. Mark Luke denied that there is any lyfe aftir this mat 22 mar 12 luc 20. ād so nether to be spirit nor angel whiche is as miche to saye as towching the soule it to be mortall For yf it shuld lyue aftir the departing thei thought to haue had takē christe in this trappe with their questiō of those .vij. brethrē that they now being all a lyue aftir their dethe shuld haue al seuē togither that one wyfe at once for thei sayd that al these .vij. had hir here But christe answerde them directly accordyng to their opinion ād not aftir Tin opinion of this worde resurrectio telling them that thei erred being ignorāt of the scriptures ād also of the power of god whiche powr christe declareth to consist in the p̄seruing the dead a lyue for because out of god the father ād christe the sone being that vere lyfe all lyfe floweth ye that into the dead id 5.12 1. ioā 5 whiche power to cōfirme into the confutaciō of their opinion their own cōfusion he alleged these scriptures exodi .iij. But first he tolde them of the present state of the soulis departed saynge that in the tother lyfe aftir this they nether marye nor ar maried but thei ar as the aungels of god in heuē Tindal In his expositiō of S. Ihon Pystle And yet saith Tindal this doctryne was not then in the worlde what is done with the soulis departed the scripture make no menciō but it is a secrete saith he layd vp in gods tresury Ioye It is verely a depe secrete to him that is ignorāt so many playne scriptures whiche I shall here aftir brynge in prouyng their state in heuen Here is also to be noted that christe in describing their present state saith in the present tence Thei mary not nor ar maryed but ar lyke aūgels ye egall vnto aūgels the sonnes of god saith Luke cap. xx But yet yf Tindal wyll saye that the present tence is here takē for the future playe boo pepe withe the tencis as he englissheth resuscitātur shal ryse agen not are reuiued or resuscited yet must I aske hym whether that the childrē of that lyfe worthy that worlde as Luke calleth them be not now more lyke aungels then they shal be aftir the resurreccion of their bodies mar 12 luc 20. me thinketh that in thys poynt that they nether marye nor are maryed aūgels ād the spirits be now bothe a lyke ād the chyldrē of the lyfe or the worlde where now the blessed lyue with Christe are now more lyke aūgels then they shal be aftir the resurrectiō of their bodyes for now they ar substances incorporal immortal intellectuall and so be aūgels but then they shal be bodely substances hauyng very flesshe and bones which the aungels neuer had nor neuer shall haue The text is declared But nowe let vs heare the scryptures wherwith christe cōfuteth their opinion ꝓueth the same thynge that the saduceis denyed The text is her expended Crist cōsidering what thing thei denied sayd vnto them De resurrectione vero mortuorū nō legistis qd vobis dictū est a deo qui ait Ego sum deꝰ Abrahā c That is to saye As cōcernyng the lyfe of them that be dead haue ye not red what is tolde you of god saying I am the God of Abrahā the god of Isaac and the god of Iacob God is not the God of the deade but of the lyuinge By this argumēt god is the god
of the lyuing not of the dead God is the god of Abrahā Isaac Iacob ergo Abrahā Isaac ād Iacob are a lyue christe cōcludeth planely nothing els but that there is a lyfe aftir this whereyn the soulis departed lyue whiche cōclusiō sith it is directly made ageynst the Saduces opinion it must nedis folow that thei denyed in this place that thinge whiche christe proued for christe was not so vncircūspecte to proue one thing they denying another orels they myght haue well obiected saying Syr what is this answere to our questiō we aske the whose wyfe shall she be at the general resurreccion of their bodyes and thou answerest vs nothyng els nor prouest vs any thing els with this scripture but that there is a lyf after this wheryn the soulis departed nowe lyue so to be both spirits angels for that thei be lyke aūgels If the Saduces here had denyed cheifely principally by that worde Resurrectio the generall resurrecciō criste wolde haue proued it thē by scriptures as well as he here proued them the lyfe of spirits separated frō their bodyes christe rēdering the cause of his argumēt to cōfirme the same to declare the powr of god in so p̄seruing the dead a lyue saith Omnes em̄ illi viuūt all mē lyue in him or by hym luc 20. Also it is to be noted diligētly how that saynt Marke for the inducyng of that autorite of Moses setteth before the thing that yt proueth in these wordis saying mar 12 Ceterū de mortuis ꝙ resuscitant nō legistis in libro Mosi c. that is to saye But as touching the dead that thei ar resuscited or they ar all redy alyue he saith not that they shal be alyue or shall ryse agayne as T. in hys diligēt last correcciō turneth the presentēce into the future ād the verbe passiue into a neuter to stablissh his errour thus corrupting the text And lyke wyse he plaith with the verbe in Luke in Marke he englissheth the verbe of the pretertence resurrexerint for the future So fayne wolde he wrest the wordꝭ frō their natyue sence to serue for hys errour haue ye not red in exodo what Moses saith c so that he induceth the autorite to ꝓue that they ar a lyue nothing lesse then to proue the resurreccion of the flesshe I woūder wherfore T. flitteth frō the text in these places Here maye euery mā se that thꝭ worde Resurrectio in this place as in dyuerse other places of scripture is takē for the lyfe aftir this wheryn the soules now lyue tyl the resurrecciō of their bodies as testifyeth Ioā Resurrectio hath two significations apo 20 And Tin not knowyng this significaciō or not willing to se it is gretely to blame to write so belye sclaūder me sayng That for because I thus geuing the worde in his place his very signification I do denye the resurreccion of the slesshe which I neuer doubted of but beleue it as cōstātly as he I haue p̄ached taught it so interp̄ted it where it so signifyeth cōfesse it openly as euery man maye se that read my workis as Tindals own cōsciēce testifyeth the same For thoughe this place proueth not directly the resurrecciō of the bodies yet are there many places moo that proue it clerely as doth all the .xv. chapter of the first Pystle to the Corin. where I englisshe it Resurreccion in the article of our Credo but in Iohn ād in the .xj. cap. to the Hebrwes where the worde signifyeth the lyfe of the spirits departed there I englissh it as the very worde signifyeth to put the reder out of doubt to make it clere lest he be seduced erre with Tind beleuyng that the soulis slepe out of heuē when sleape in scripture is properly ād onely vnderstandē of the bodye which shal be awaked and ryse ageyne A rekeninge is gyuē of my trāslatiō For I did trāslate thys worde Resurrectio in to the lyfe aftir thys in certayne placis for these two causes principally For two causes is this worde Resurrectio so trāslated First because the latyn worde besidꝭ that it signifieth in other places the Resurreccion of the bodye yet in these it signifieth the lyfe of the spirits or soulꝭ departed as christis answere vnto the Saduceis ād Iohn declare mat 22 apo 10 Secōdaryly because that agenst the Anabaptistis false opiniō agenst their errour whom Erasmus reproueth in hys exposiciō of the Credo which saye the resurrecciō of the soules to be this that is to weet when thei shal be called out of their preuey lurking places in whiche they had ben hyd frō the tyme of their departyng vnto the resurreccion of their bodies because I saye that agenste these erroneouse opinions these places thus truely trāslated make so myche ād so planely that at thys worde Resurrectio the lyfe of the spiritꝭ aftir this their false opinion falleth is vtterly condempned The confutacion of Tindals opinion Here it is 〈◊〉 to the grunde of our cause Surgo to ryse Maneo to abyde or endure And if Tin wolde loke beter vpon his booke folow not so miche his owne witte he shulde fynde that the hebrew worde which comonly is trāslated into this vbe Surgo the same some tyme saynt Ierome translated into Maneo as in Isaye Verbū dn̄i manet in eternū The worde of the Lorde endureth for euer some tyme into theise vbis sto or cōsto as Isaye xlvj And some tyme into theis vbis Pono cōstituo excito facio stare in vita vel seruo in vita as in exo cap. ix of Pharao Et ꝓfecto ideo posui te vl excitauite seruaui te in vita vel feci te stare superstitē te volui esse plagis meis vt ostendā in te fortitudinē meā c. that is to saye Doutlesse or verely for this cause yet haue I set and cōstitute the or stered the vp p̄serued the alyue to receyue my plages to declare my strength vpō the ād to shewe that my name myght be knowne thorowte all the worlde of the which verbe there cometh Surrectio so Resurrectio whose rote original sith it hath these so many dyuerse significaciōs it must nedis folow that the nowne diriuyed oute therof haue as many so to signifye that permanēt verye lyfe or the preseruing of them styll a lyue which significaciō agreeth in all these placis of these thre euāgelistis for thei all tel one the same storye Resurrectio hath mo significations then one If T. will englisshe thys verbe Resurgo euery where to ryse agayne in bodye so shal he trāslate it falsely corruppe the text bringe the reder into no small errour as once did one preacher in a sermō expownyng this verse of the first psalm Ideo nō resurgēt impij in iudicio c. englysshing yt thus