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A35131 Rebellion rebuked in an answer to a scandalous pamphlet entitled The Quaker converted to Christianity &c. written by one William Haworth ... and William Dimsdale ... / by John Crook, William Bayly. Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Crisp, Stephen, 1628-1692.; Stout, Mary, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing C7212; ESTC R27638 40,731 115

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Righteousness is Perfect and Compleat the other is Faulty Imperfect Incompleat as to degree Answ Thou wouldst make them two in Nature and Kind the one from Heaven the other on Earth the one Christ's the other ours and yet say'st its incompleat as to degree then they must be one in Kind for degrees varies not Kind or Nature So 't is manifest thou knowst not what thou say'd such is thy Confusion No marvel while thou errest from the Form of sound words calling it A Righteousness Contrived Where findest thou such a word in Scripture Sometimes calling Faith our own Righteousness And again saying Without Faith it is impossible to please God as if Man could please God by Man's Righteousness c. Thou say'st The Quaker goes about to make his own Righteousness to stand c. Answ Thou art the Man that goest about to make thy own Conceivings as thou speakest of God and Christ and his Righteousness by using Unscriptural Words to make good that Righteousness which thy self saith is not real Must not thou needs wonder and perish for want of the True Righteousness of Christ Thou sayest The Young-man may now engage without any Peril any Quaker in England Answ This is like Goliah's Boast but let not him that putteth on the Harness boast as he that putteth it off I suppose others if not thy self will be of another mind when you have impartially perused the Reply to the Young-man's Book to which I refer the Reader to judge of his great Ability or rather his Confused Indigested Thoughts concerning the Mysteries of God and Christ Thou writest to thy Brethren to be greatly Incouraged c. in reducing others in the same manner Answ How can any be Encouraged to Reduce others by their own Righteousness which thou sayest the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds are And if it be but in the same manner that the Young-man is reduced such Confusion will never turn to your Reputation among the Sober-minded Whereas thou sayest The Quakers keep people in perfect Popish Slavery Answ The Quakers knew no Bondage and Slavery like the Bondage and Slavery of Sin which you believe all men must continue in term of Life But I refer the Reader to the Reply to the Young-man's Book for a farther Answer to this Particular Thou sayest As high as Heaven is above the Earth so far is that Spirit of the Faith of Jesus in you above the spirit of Ant●christ that is in them viz. Quakers Answ How now Is your own Righteousness grown so mightily Hast thou forgotten that thou calledst the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in your Minds is but your own Righteousness And what good can your own Righteousness do you But take heed of the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost lest Francis Spira's Condition become thine or Madness and Distraction befall thee My Soul could even pitty thee because if thou Repent not of these and like Passages as that the Quakers Spirit is a Spirit of Delusion and their Doctrine Antichristian c. God's Displeasure will kindle as a Fire to burn thee up amongst the Bryars and Thorns that muster up themselves in Battel against him and his ever-blessed Appearance in Spirit and Power in the Hearts of that Poor Despised People For I testifie in the Amen that God hath and doth bless the Faithful amongst them and they shall be blessed And in Vain do the Heathen Rage and such foolish Imaginary Back-sliding People as thy self Imagine a Vain Thing For their Redeemer lives and the Shout of a King is amongst them even the King of Sion sitting upon his Holy Hill Halelujah for evermore Postscript William Haworth OH that these Smitings may be as Balm for they are the Words of a Friend to thy Poor Lost Soul as at present thou art Oh! feel them feel them and be not Wrath because of them lest the Gate of Mercy forever be shut against thee I. C. AN Additional Postscript THE Enemy of Man's Soul knowing how Destructive the Inward and Experimental Knowledge of Christ is unto his Kingdom and Government hath in these late times stirred up many Instruments both in their Preaching and Printing to prejudice the Minds of the Simple-Hearted against it as the Pharisees of old stirred up the Devout Women against the Apostles our Enemies suggesting therefore that the Quakers must needs deny the Man Christ c. For Prevention of his Wiles and Information of all that desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus I have published this short Testimony Concerning Jesus of Nazareth that was born at Bethlehem c. I know not any of us that ever so much as questioned the Truth of the History as recorded in Holy Scripture concerning Jesus of Nazareth c. But setting aside the Envy of our Adversaries their Mistakes about us arise from our affirming That the bare Historical Knowledge of this Jesus of Nazareth will not save the Soul of any Man without the Light of the Spirit of Christ opening Man's Vnderstanding that he may know the Mystery of God the Father and of Christ as the Apostle saith Col. 2. 2. and Ephes 3. 4. That ye may know mine Understanding in the Mystery of Christ and 1 Tim. 3. 16. Without controversie great is the Mystery of Godliness God manifest in the Flesh c. Mark 4. 11. Christ said to his Disciples viz. To you it is given to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God but unto them that are without all things be done in Parables Therefore we declare a Necessity for the Light to be first turned to and received before this Jesus can be savingly know Which Doctrine is also confirmed to us by Experience in that we had as others now have while in that Nature by which all are Children of VVrath the Historical Knowledge and Belief of Jesus of Nazareth yet we wanted the Light of the Knowledge as the Apostle excellently calls it 2 Cor. 4. 6. Bare Historical Knowledge being a dark dead Thing until the Light give Life to that Knowledge Concerning the Righteousness of this Jesus of Nazareth c. We believe and testifie That this Jesus of Nazareth wrought out or fulfilled all Righteousness in his Obedience both in Doing and Suffering the Holy Law and Will of God and that this Righteousness so wrought out and fulfilled was not for himself but for or because of all such as truly seeing they have no Covering or Righteousness of their own flee unto and lay hold of him and his Everlasting Righteousness by a True and Living Faith And do further testifie That this Choice Rayment of Christ's Righteousness is not brought forth and put upon the Back of any Prodigal while he remains in the Far Country feeding amongst the Swine but at or upon his Return to his Father's House Luke 15. 22. And such Poor Naked Starved Undone Sinners as in themselves seeing their own Righteousness to be as a Menstruous and Filthy
Thing are the proper Subjects of this Righteousness as being now made meet to be Partakers of it Col. 1. 12. And we further testifie that the Historical or bare Belief or Knowledge of this Righteousness from the Letter only by the assent to the Truth thereof from the Natural Understanding is not sufficient or enough to make this Righteousness really or truly theirs but as the Father of the Returned Prodigal said to his Servants viz. Bring forth the best Robe and put it on him So this Righteousness must become ours by that Living Faith which purifies the Heart God the Father by his Spirit putting it on us and making it ours according to 1 Cor. 1. 30. But ye are of him in Christ Jesus who of God is made unto us Wisdom and Righteousness c. Concerning the Blood of this Jesus of Nazareth c. VVe believe and testifie That his Blood exceeds not only the Blood of Bulls and Goats but the Blood of the Best Man or Men that ever was or shall be in the VVorld And we do in the Sight of God really own the Blood of the Son of Man both according to the History and in the Mystery as we do his Cross both as shed for us and to be drunk by us both as bespeaking Remission of Sin past through Faith in it and as sprinkling the Conscience of True Believers and cleansing them from all Sin Therefore it is called The Precious Blood of Christ as being of an Incorruptible Nature 1 Pet. 1. 18 19. and is therefore said to speak better Things then the Blood of Abel being by way of Emphasis called The Blood of his Dear Son c. and is also called a Price Ye are bought with a Price 1 Cor. 6. 20. by all which it is manifest to be of infinite value both in the Account of God and all those that know it by being VVitnesses of its Vertue sprinkling their Hearts from an Evil Conscience Hebr. 10. 22. But because we testifie that it s not the Notion or bare Historical and Litteral Belief of those things that justifie or make us really free from that VVrath which comes upon every Soul of Man that doth Evil whether Jew or Gentile Professor or Prophane but only the Life and Vertue of this Blood received into the Heart by that Living Faith which Christ alone is the Author of Therefore are we branded with sleighting the Blood of the Man Christ c. though we testifie our Esteem thereof both in the History and in the Mystery and that without the Life and Vertue of this Blood there is no Remission Concerning Justification by the Blood of this Jesus of Nazareth c. I touched at it before and do further testifie That as without Blood there is no Remission ne●ther can any Blood or Offering besides the precious Blood of J●su● Christ ●emit any Man's Sins or make an Attonement for him although he would offer up his bel●ved Isa●● for it yet God dot● try every true Child of Abraham inwa●dly as he did Abraham ●●wardly before he shews unto him this Sacrifice of his own providing And because we testifie according to Holy Scripture and Grounded Experience that true experimental Justification or Acquitment from all Sin and Unrighteousness is witnessed by believing and walking in the Light as God is in the Light as it is writ●en 1 Joh 1. 7. If we walk in the Light as he ●s in the Light we 〈◊〉 F●ll●wship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son clenses ●● from all Vnrighteousness and being justified by Faith we have Peace with God through Jesus Christ And true Justifying Faith is said to purifie the Heart by removing Vnrighteousness and plucking up those Plants which God's Right-H●●d ●ver planted Acts 15. 9. Mat. 17. 20. Luke 17. 6. and is called the Ev●●●nce and Substance Hebr. 11. 1. and Christ is said to ●●●ll in the Heart by Faith because the true and living Faith re●llizeth good things to the Soul as the Eye doth by Union with its Object to the Body Faith being the Instrument by which the Life and Vertue of the Blood of Christ that justifies is received or sucked into the Soul that is justified and thereby perfects forever those that are ●anctified whose Eye being alwayes fixed single on that which clen●eth their whole Body must needs be full of Light and Glory J. C. Rebellion Rebuked IN AN ANSWER TO A Scandalous Pamphlet ENTITLED The Quaker Converted to Christianity c. AS concerning this Young-man whom William Haworth calls The Quaker Converted and giveth his Book that Title VVe would have all Moderate People to judge by what follows whether he was such a one as he hath stiled him For he hath affirmed in his Epistle to that little Pamphlet That he was fully of their Way Faith Spirit and Principle And that he went farther then most of them towards that they call Perfection And that he is now able to engage any Quaker in England in Discourse Making a very great Boast with much Joy as if he had taken some great Prize or obtained a great Victory as may be seen in his foresaid Epistle Now here followeth the Young-man's own words by which ye may perceive how far he was a Quaker and see if W. H. doth yet understand what they and their Perfection is and when did he hear them call that Perfection which this Young-man had attained to viz. p. 7. And when I thought of going to the Quakers these things which I did not like among them kept me back having not Ground in my self for to do them of which Silent Meetings was the chief Putting off my Hat was another For when I met with one Friend or other if I saluted him with my Hat I knew not that I did offend God any more then if I did not Now there were some things which the Quakers did that I was not convinced of And concluded He coul● not agree with them in all things pag. 4. And pag. 1. I went several times as other Boyes d●d only this I was taken off from having D●light in Sports and Pastimes quickly after my going mark that and at that tim● I was of that ●●am of Spirit that I was ready to ass●nt to every thing the Quakers did whether I had Ground for it or not pag. 2. Here ye may read and understan● this Young Men's Perfection in the Quakers Way and com●are it with Will●●m Haworth's Affirmation as aforesaid and then let all Sober and Rational People judge if this Young-man was f●lly of th●ir Way Spirit Faith and Principle and w●nt farther towards that they call Perfection then most of th●m as he hath affirmed pag. 1. First Whether it be the Quakers way Faith Spirit and Principle to dislike Silent Meetings as this Young-man did which kept him back mark that 2dly Whether it be the Quakers Way Faith Spirit and Principle to Salute their Friends or any other with putting off their Hats as this
Wo from the Lord God to every one that settles therein For I testifie in the Name of Jehovah that made the Heavens and the Earth and all that is in them That the True Name of this CANAAN is SODOM and EGYPT and that our Lord is daily Crucified therein And now William Dimsdale if there be a Day for thee to Repent in Repent of this thy great Wickedness in calling Christ Pharoah and his holy Burdens the Egyptian-Tasks and those Tastes of Comfort which thou hast felt to Encourage thee in thy Obedience to be like the Peace with the Egyptians when the Tale of Brick was delivered Oh Miserable Man if thou Perish thy Blood is upon thine own Head God never Required any thing of thee by his Light that was Unreasonable never to make Brick and find Straw but he gave thee a Measure of his Grace in which thou foundst Power to deliver thee and hadst thou kept Faithful to it thou hadst known Salvation by it But now thou hast cast off Christ's Yoak and Burden and endeavourest to betray him into the Hands of the Priests and Pharisees Oh Repent and Pray if it be possible that this thy Wickedness may be forgiven thee for if not the Weightof it will sink thee into Everlasting Misery S. Crisp AN ACCOUNT FROM HARTFORD HAving taken notice of a late Pamphlet set forth one part by William Haworth and the other part by W. D. the Title thereof A Quaker Converted to Christianity and that it was in Hartford We whose Names are under written being Inhabitants of the said Place could not but admire that such a thing should be in that Place and we wholely Strangers to it And One so Eminent as W. H. doth describe him that he need not fear to Encounter any Quaker in England in Discourse This set some of us on Enquiring who it should be upon which Enquiry it was found to be One who had been Apprentice and now is Servant to one Thomas Grigson of Hartford who by Trade is a Weaver and with his Wife hath belonged to our Meeting these many years They being asked concerning their Man Whether he was in any wise accounted a Quaker say They know nothing that be was ever so much as Convinced of that Blessed Truth owned by the Quakers so as to be in Society with them or Conformable to their Testimony And further They know not that he was ever looked upon by any Person whatsoever to be a Quaker in the least but only that he behaved himself soberly towards them And further his Master and Dame with whom he lived sayes He might come to the Meetings many years ago among the Boys somtimes but so that they never understood that he had any Convincement upon his Mind And so they with us do think strange that any Man or Men dare be so Impudent as to set forth in Print a thing so notoriously False and in it further to affirm That He to wit the said W. D. was fully of their Way Spirit Faith and Principle meaning the Quakers Now do but mind what the Lad saith of himself in his Part of the Pamphlet p. 7. First As to Silent Meetings he was not satisfied 2dly That he used to salute his Friends and others with Pulling off his Hat How now William Haworth Was this to be Fully of our Way Spirit Faith and Principle one with us Let them that know us judge For he that comes not to know a Benefit in Silent Meeting knows little of the Quakers Faith or Principle although we appoint none with the Limitation before-hand as to be Silent Meetings but if any have any thing to speak from the Lord is as much at Liberty as at other times But however a Benefit we know by them though no Words be spoken we whose Minds are gathered Inwards * Hab. 2. 1 2 3. James 5. 7. Acts 3. 19. to wait upon the Lord in the Silence of all Flesh or Fleshly Thoughts and to have an inward Ear open to hear what the Spirit saith and have and do blessed be the Lord often at such Meetings feel the Times of Refreshing which come from his Presence And here is the True Worship known which is in Spirit and in Truth and such the Lord seeks to worship him And so the Intent of the True Ministry * Acts 26. 17 18. is to direct the Minds of Men and Women to God's Spirit manifest in their Hearts and there to worship and not as W. H. saith That those Gifts and Vertues wrought by the Spirit of God in our Minds are a Man 's own Righteousness to wit that which Paul calls his own Phil. 3. 9. but the Righteousness of meer man which is as Gross a Contradiction and Corrupt Doctrine as if he should tell us That Paul in his desiring to be found in Christ not having his own Righteousness which was of the Law desired to be found in Christ not having those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds Oh wonderful Darkness but this is answer'd else-where And then as to the World They can know a Quaker by his not pulling off his Hat which this Lad by his own Confession used to do Now William Haworth where is this Great Goliah Quaker that was thus Converted and yet was never known by us nor by the World to be a Quaker But rather then W. H. will want a Prodigy or a Wonder to the World he will call him a Quaker No doubt William thou deservest the Right-hand of Fellowship of Tho. Hicks for he only forges a silly Quaker and then makes him speak what he pleases but thou hast Converted a Quaker O Wonder if this had been true William the next time thou writest things of this kind lay them a little closer together and remember the old Proverb That it is Old Men and far Travellers that Lye without Controle So far we were willing to let the World know the Truth of the Matter believing that at times something of God hath been stirring both in William Haworth and the Young-Man which we desire they may Return to and Repent before it be too late We have subscribed our Names as followeth William Faireman Thoman Grigson Thomas Chalkley Henry Sweeting Nathaniel Gerrard Abraham Rutt Richard Martin Richard Thomas Edward Plumsted Henry Stout Nicholas Lucas AH William Haworth what is become of that Tenderness that once was upon thy Heart Then wast thou little in thy own Eyes then didst thou confess to the Truth and the Quakers were Honest People in thy Account How well had it been for thee if thou hadst grown in that Tenderness But it is just with the Lord that all who Rebel against the Light of his Son should be Hardned It would be well for thee to consider where thou art and what thou art doing for doubtless thou art now found fighting against the Lord and his Glorious Work which he hath begun in the Earth but it is all in vain and to no purpose for it will Prosper And if thou canst stop the Sun in its Course and set Bounds and Limits to the Sea then mayst thou accomplish thy Desire For the Lord hath Blessed us yea and we shall be Blessed and there is no Inchantment against us And thy Printing Books and spreading them and Preaching so much against the Quakers and Villifying them as thou dost doth but manifest that Spirit of Envy and Bitterness which is not of God and so is a Di●advantage to thy self and will be turned unto Advantage to us and all sober People and such as are of an Honest Upright Heart will soon discover thee For what is the Chaff to the Wheat And although thy Understanding be so darkened that thou canst not see the Dawning of the Day of God yet 't is not in thy Power to shut the Eyes of others from seeing the Glory of it nor to stop their Ears from hearing and knowing the True Shepherd's Voice from the Voice of the Stranger It is too late for thee to begin thy VVork at this time of the Day for the Son of God is come and hath given us an Understanding to know him that is True and many are in him and do know the Elect Seed born that cannot be Deceived And thy terming the Quakers Spirit to be Delusion and their Doctrine Antichristian these words if ever thy Eyes come to be opened will be a Burden too heavy for thee to bear For it is no less then Reviling the Light of the Son of God which he hath given for a Leader to his People to lead out of all Evil into all Truth and those who have followed the Lord fully and faithfully therein have found Life and Salvation according to that Promise He shall save his People from their Sins not in their Sins and of this there are Thousands of Living VVitnesses And therefore come down out of that high and lofty spirit and bow unto that which convinceth thee of Sin for all that will not bow thereunto will be broken thereby There is not an easier way unto Life for thee then there was for us and yet we have no Cause to complain of a Burdensom Yoak or that the Lord is a Hard Master for the Yoak of Christ is easie and his Burden is light And do not flatter thy self with vain Hopes of our Fall for the Eyes that look for that will perish in their Holes for we are built upon the Rock of Ages and though the Storms of Affliction beat on the one hand and the Raging Sea which casts up Mire and Dirt on the other yet shall we stand for our Foundation is unmovable and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against us And this is my Testimony for the Lord to thee and all who joyn with thee in this VVork Cease striving against the Lord in his People and Repent of your Evil else you and your VVork will fall together For no Weapon that is formed against them shall prosper Mary Stout ERRATA PAge 3. line 22. for banes read ●ands Page 4. line 13. for which read with P. 31. L. 38. for ontrary r. contrary P. 37. L. 31. for Babe r. Babel P. 39. L. 14. for withou twith r. without with P. 41. L. 36. for Burthen r. Burthensom And where any other Faults or Defects are escaped the Press the Unbyassed Reader is desired to Correct them according to the Sense of the Matter and none to impute them to the Authors THE END