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A44504	Truth's triumph over deceit, or, A further demonstration that the people called Quakers be deceivers, and such as people ought to accompt accursed in their doctrines and principles in vindication of a former proof of that charge, made good against them, from the sorry shifts and evasions from it, and cavils of George Whitehead against it, in a pamphlet of his, called The Quakers no deceivers / written by John Horne ... as a further preservation of people from following any of their pernitious principles ...	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2810; ESTC R41721	58,074	54

if because so far off therefore they did not look for it Whenas the Fathers that died in the Faith and received not as then the promises lived many hundred years before the Apostles and yet they saw these promises a far off and imbraced them and confessed themselves strangers and Pilgrims in hope and expectation of a City and Country prepared for them Heb. 11.13 14 15 39 40. in the receit of which they shall not be perfect without us believers of these last ages Now what they hoped for they waited for too For if we hope for what we see not then do we with expectation wait for it saith the Apostle Rom. 8.24 25. And if they the Fathers hoped and waited and yet wait for the Redemption of their body in the resurrection of it might not the Apostles much more to whom it was by many hundreds of years nearer or is it more absurd to say Paul hath not yet the Redemption of the body for which he waited then that Abraham hath not yet received all the promises for which he hoped or that either of their bodies are not yet raised nor that glorious appearance of Christ yet come in which they are to be raised Their expectation of which while here led them to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts Tit. 2.12 13 14. But it appears plainly 〈◊〉 G. W's deriding such an expectation that he expects and waits for nor groans after no such thing whatsoever he subtilly say after that ver 13 14 16. of 1 Thes 4. he never denyed nor doubted of and so slighted disputing about it no no he was not willing to open his corrupt sense too broadly about them as may after appear He saies Paul groaned not to be uncloathed but cloathed upon True it was not death he groaned for but to be clothed upon with his house from heaven which because they knew they could not be clothed with till the earthly house of this Tabernacle were dissolved therefore they were willing rather to be absent from the body 2 Cor. 5.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. But if Paul when he wrote that Epistle groaned for that redemption of the body which he saies he groaned for when he writ to the Romans as G.W. also implies by his quoting that place to parallel the other as indeed it doth then why did G. W. at the dispute endeavour to prove that the Apostle had that Redemption of the body when he writ this Epistle because he saies therein Chap. 13.8 he could do nothing against the truth but for the truth Thinks he that Paul received that Redemption of the body between his writing what is in Chap. 5. and what is writ in Chap. 13 Surely such a charge would have made him some where in the very writing break forth into an extraordinary Tryumph more than we find him therein between the said passages to do Indeed Chap. 12. he tels us of being taken up into Paradise and of abundance of Revelations but whither in the body or not he knew not and besides he speakes of things above 14 yeares before and sure he was not so long writing that Epistle or did G. W. rather wittingly bring that saying to blind and deceive people That appears most likely and so that he is a Deceiver indeed and to be therefore counted accursed ' Its true too that Paul calls that Redemption of the body the Adoption and Christ was made under the Law to Redeem those that were under the Law that they might receive the Adoption of Sons and that Adoption the Apostle had received in his spirit when he said he waited for the Adoption the Redemption of he body for in Rom. 8.15 16. he saies even of them he wrote to and therefore their state was not a state below being Sons of God and so born of God Ye have received the Spirit of Adoption whereby we cry abba Father and the spirit it self beareth witnesse with our spirits that we are the children of God And therefore surely born of God though yet they waited for that Adoption the Redemption of the body ver 23. So that still the more G. strugles the more he is proved a deceiver and my charge appears made good against him and no ly for me to say so Nor need to prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them and were sinners so long as they lived though that also was done from Psal 143.2 as before it 's enough that they confesse sin in them and waited for the Redemption of the body after they were born of God which was the thing that G. denyed Nor need I prove that the Quakers preach themselves free from sin seeing they grant or deny not that charge against them in their answer to our first Book Nor will their having confessed their sins serve the turne as was shewed at the beginning though yet G. W. is here covering and pleading for his sins or errors as it is apparent so the Apostles did not much lesse need we prove that they preach themselves perfect as if their preaching made them perfect for no body ever charged them with such a thing in that sense It 's enough that they preach themselves to be so perfect as that they have no sin for which they need Christ to be their Propitiation See again Reader how George is put to his shifts about Asa 'T is not said saith he that his heart was perfect all his life-time as if all his daies to wit of his reigne did not last to the end of his life had he a life time after all his daies were ended If he lived some daies after his heart ceased to be perfect then was not his heart perfect all his daies and then the Scripture saith not truly shall we believe the Scriptures or G. W's glosse That his heart was perfect all the while be did that which was right in the sight of the Lord and while the Land was quiet under his reigne but not after That is a glosse of his own brain against the authority of the Text seeing that time was not all his daies nor is it said his worke was perfect all his daies but his heart and that might be perfect as to his owning no god but the true God and desiring to approve it selfe to him notwithstanding some rash passions and neglect in seeking to him for a time as well as it is said to have been perfect notwithstanding the high places were not removed 1 Kings 15.14 As some Kings whose works were perfecter did as he also should have done had his works been perfect and sinlesse But wee see both by what he saies to this and other Scriptures before mentioned George makes no great matter of justling his authority with the authority of the Scriptures which evidences him to be a dangerous fellow not to be listened to View we his endeavours to vindicate his corrupt sayings about the coming of Christ mentioned 1 Thes 4.15 16. to which coming they

Truth 's Triumph OVER DECEIT OR A Further DEMONSTRATION that the people called Quakers be Deceivers and such as people ought to accompt accursed in their Doctrines and Principles In VINDICATION of A Former Proof of that Charge made good against them for the sorry shifts and evasions from it and cavils of George Whitehead against it in a pamphet of his called The Quakers no Deceivers Written by John Horne Teacher at Lin-Alhallowes As a further Preservation of people from following any of their pernitious principles but that they might inquire after and more adhear to the truth of the Gospel as delivered in the writings of the Prophets and Apostles in the Holy Scriptures They have made lies their refuge and under falsehood have they hid themselves but the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies and the waters shall over flow the hiding place Isa 28.15 17. But this I know that the Lord is with me because mine enemy doth not tryumph over me Psalm 41.11 LONDON Printed for J. Allen at the Rising-Sun in St. Paul's Church-yard 1660. Truth 's Tryumph over deceit GEorge Whitehead hath made another scrible in pretended answer to my book intituled The Quakers proved Deceivers c. In which he doth but more manifest his folly and falshood as the more he scribles the more it will yet appear to such as are not blinded with ignorance or errour I shall God assisting shew the reader briefly what pittifull stuff he hath in some brief observations That in his title he calls my charge unjust and my book a pamphlet and the people I preach to Mooreans or Vniversalists are but some overflowings of the Gall of bitternesse that he is possest with as also his calling my relation a pretended and imperfect relation and saying that I falsly boast that I made good the charge and of a pretended victory where I had none which I leave to the judgement of the Lord and of the auditory that heard our discourse though for the perfection and truth of my relation George's inability to correct or contradict it in any thing of moment in what he hath wrote against it may passe with sober men that hard us not for a pretty good proof or demonstration And as for his charging me with false doctrine lyings slanders and perverting of the truth I may give him leave in such termes to vent his passion and never envie him for it seeing God hath put him to rebuke before me and the truth notwithstanding his serpent-like winding about to hide his deceits before his deluded followers tryumps over and against his errors His preamble begins with truths wrongly applyed by him to his deceits the Serpent and his subtilty which appeares against the seed of God and against the power and wisdom of God is manifest in him and his party and the torment and vexation which the striving against the truth brings and the confusion and darknesse that overwhelmes them that so do is evident enough to them that can see in this envious and imbittered people who hiss like Serpents out of their holes when the truth disturbs them and laies them open How empty foolish a vapour it is that he saies the Lord was with him and by his strength they were made able to tread upon their enemies All that were at the dispute and remember how pitifully he was confounded so that he would needs for want of any reasonable answer have left the argument and fallen to read on our book to begin some charge against us instead of defending himself against my charge may easily discern I blesse the Lord I was in my spirit clearly above his deceits and my mouth was enlarged over him and the people generally received satisfaction against him His charging me with rage and madnesse against the truth because I was courageous for it against his deceits and was so far from raging that I rejoiced against him nothing moves me I looke for an hundred worse things from Satan than such an aspertion But whereas he saith he several times sent to me to come forth in publick before he could get me take the truth of the thing that thou maist Reader see his deecit herein When George Fox challenged me to make good my charge he bad me appoint time and place I appointed mine own house or Mr. Iohnsons against which he excepted not but only that time he said he could not Therefore when George Whitehead sent to me to meet him to do it either in the Market place or Steeple-house or Steeple-house-yard or streets I returned him answer what George Fox and I had agreed on as to that matter and yet that if they would procure the steeple-house I would meet him there this he refused and then would have me meet him at Isbel Barnards which I told his friend I should not refuse if my friends judged it convenient or because he had upbraided me with my God I was not unwilling to meete him in the market place would my friends thither accompany me and the Magistrates approve it upon advice with my friends they were not willing I should go to Isbel Barnards or the Mraket-place Then I sent him word that if he and his friends would joine with me and mine in repairing the harmes might by occasion of the meeting in the steeple-house be done to the seats I would joine with them in procuring it But this also though one of his own party judged it but reasonable he refused because he would not put his party upon any charge then he desired me to nominate some indifferent private house seeing he judged mine not indifferent and we judged Isbel Bernards as little or lesse indifferent and I did procure Mr. Philips his where we should have met had his party upon viewing of it liked it but the Church-warden in the mean while without whose concent I would not make bold with the Church or steeple-house or put either my friends or the parish upon the charge of repaires they having been put to charge before at our former meeting by their occasion sending me word that we might in the Chancel so soon as we had that liberty granted I sent G. W. word of it and accordingly there we met Now judge Reader whether of us were most guilty of backwardnesse to meete in the publick so as was convenient seeing I offered him so reasonable even in the judgement of some of his own party and he refused it but this is no new thing to hide themselves and intimately accuse others in deceit He saies The chief thing I drove at was to make people believe that there is no man living upon earth that sinneth not or can be perfectly freed from sin in this life and that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived which though it 's not altogether true because the main thing I drove at was not that but to prove the Quakers deceivers Yet those things he saies I drove at and

for the confirmation of their faith in the reality of his Resurrection though he said to Mary taking hold of his feet to worship him touch me not for I am not yet ascended Mat. 28.9 with John 20.17 For the Disciples were bid to the end aforesaid to handle and touch him Luke 24.39 John 20.27 3. To the third I say It 's probable Mary did at the same time touch him and intended to worship him with Divine adoration that occasioned his saying to her touch me not even as Cornelius fell down at Peters feet to worship him and worshipt him and John fell down to worship the Angel and both were thereupon forbidden by them so to do Act. 10.25 Rev. 19.20 4. To the fourth The two Angels that stood by the Sepulchre in shining garments or white apparrel c. were two Angels and had two individual formes but that they had bodies as the bodies of men of the same substance with them the Scripture saies not nor do I believe it Nor find I it said that Jesus appeared to his Disciples after his Resurrection in white or shining garments or that he and the Angels had bodies alike of flesh and bones which a spirit hath not nor that a spirit hath a body without flesh and bones or a body at all otherwise then it assumes a body or appearance of a body to appear in And the inquiring and prying into these things about what is written argues a proud Luciferian spirit and a man rashly puft up with fleshly minde not holding the head or an Atheistical deriding and designe to undermine the authority of the Scriptures There is enough in what is revealed to busy ourselves about and no need to inquire of things kept secret as Judg. 13.18 Deut. 29.29 5. To the fifth That the women did distinguish which was Christ is certain but how they did so is curiosity to inquire and persumption to determine one of the foolish and unlearned questions which we are to avoid 2 Tim. 2.23 He that could appear to them in divers forms as he pleased could also appear in such a form as in which they might know him when he pleased and in such a form when he pleased as in which they did not know him as to Mary and the two Disciples going to Enimaus or he could open their eyes to discerne him or hold them from it as he would The like may be said for his speech Luke 24.16 6. The sixth The Angels of whom the women had a vision were seen visibly without doubt for of seeing invisibly I have not heard except in such a fence as the seer be not seen again which was not their case Nor were those Angels bodies or persons of men much lesse had they visible voices as is ignorantly and non-sensically queried Visible voices and audible colours are both alike 7. To the seventh in which are several Queries I say 1. That the 11 Disciples saw him after his Resurrection at Jerusalem before they saw him at Galilee for at Jerusalem they saw him the same day he arose But Galilee was above a daies journey thence Luke 2.44 much lesse could they being in mortal bodies go thither and returne again to Jerusalem the same day 2. To what is said That Luke 24.33 He appeared where the 11 were met together And yet it 's said John 20.24 That Thomas was not there with them I Answer It 's clear That Luke mentions together the things of two appearances to them distinctly mentioned by John And yet 2. It 's not said in Luke that the 11 were together when he appeared but when the two disciples returned How knowest thou but after that Thomas might be gone out before Christs appearing 3. Thomas is called one of the 12. John 20.24 Mathias was chosen into their number and reckoned with them before the Evangelists wrote those books though not before those appearances it may be and the Evangelists might speak of them according to their present accompt of them when he wrote that book And so Thomas who was one of the 12 when the Evangelists wrote being absent there were besides him but 11 of the 12. 3. As for his Ascending to his Father before that time possibly he might be said in such fence as in John 3.13 to have ascended more than once yea frequently in his spirit but in the most proper sense of his body going up thither there to be contained or received till the time of restitution of all things he was not as then ascended 8. To the eighth If by my story you mean that these are not to be taken as they are spoken of I deny it They are a history or relation of things not now to be so done or so seen now as then they were done and seen Though the usefulnesse of them is not to be known and understood but by the Spirits opening it to us in his Testimony concerning him and giving us an understanding therein But herein the Q's corrupt judgement is seen that they imply that they believe not that there was ever any such things really done or seen And so that they are very Atheistical not believing further than their reason can comprehend and therefore where they judge it absurd as generally they do the truth of Christ they turne it into a fancie and believe nothing really as it is recorded Written by J. Horne April 19. 1660. Eight Queries propounded to Richard Hubberthorne by John Horne to which his plain answer is desired accord-to his real mind in them 1. IF the believing Samaritans did know rightly and by the Spirit of truth that Jesus of Nazareth as then come in the flesh is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world John 4.42 and if Paul was a true Apostle and preacht the truth when he proved that that Jesus is the very Christ And Christ himselfe said truely that his flesh is meat indeed and his blood drink indeed John 6.53 54 55. And the spirit of truth witnesses Christ come in the flesh 1 John 4.2 How canst thou clear thy selfe of being a Deceiver and false Teacher in saying and publishing that Christs coming in the flesh was but a Figure 2. What but a silly deceiver was he G.W. in his answers to the Cambridge Queries who in justification of thy said saying alledged that Christ was transfigured Might it not as well by the same reason be touched that the Apostles and Believers were but forms of men or of godly men because transformed in the renewing of their minds Rom. 12.1 3. And if Christs coming in the flesh was but a figure whether dost thou believe indeed that that Christ or Jesus was a reall man consisting of a real humane body and soul that had in his body real flesh and blood really and verily conceived in the natural womb of a corporal Virgine A Virgine in such sense as other Virgines be before married to or carnally known by any man and born really of her into the world or