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A01711	Certaine sermons, vpon diuers textes of Holie Scripture Whereof some haue been seuerally before published, and other some for the greater benefit of the godly reader are here now added. By M. George Giffard, preacher of the worde of God at Mauldon Essex.	Gifford, George, d. 1620.; Gifford, George, d. 1620. A sermon on the parable of the sower. aut; Gifford, George, d. 1620. Two sermons upon I. Peter 5. vers. 8 and 9. aut; Gifford, George, d. 1620. Foure sermons uppon the seven chiefe vertues of faith. aut; Gifford, George, d. 1620. A godlie, zealous, and profitable sermon upon the second chapter of saint James. aut; Gifford, George, d. 1620. A sermon preached at Pauls Crosse the thirtie day of May. aut; Gifford, George, d. 1620. A sermon on the third chapter of Saint Iames. aut	1597 (1597)	STC 11848.5; ESTC S120470	152,707	288

blood then haue they not the faith remooue that effect and the cause is remooued If they will not abhor so wicked a speech but affirm indeed that the reprobate doe eate the flesh of Christ so many of them as haue the liuely faith then let thē see how they ouerthrow also the whole force of the argumēt of Christ by which he proueth that the Manna was not the bread of life but that he himself is the bread of life Your fathers saith he did eat Māna in the wildernesse and are dead If any man eat of this bread he shal liue for euer How standeth his argument consider of it I pray you Your fathers did eat Manna in the wildernesse and yet are dead in their sinnes they are dead in the spirituall and eternall death for of that death hee speaketh seeing they also which eat the flesh of Christ doe die the naturall death therefore Manna was not the bread of life that commeth downe from heauen For that which some did eat of and yet did die eternallie is not by any meanes the bread of life And how doth hee prooue that hee himselfe is the bread of life I am the breade which came downe from heauen if any man eate of this bread he shall liue for euer Thus standeth his reason Whosoeuer eateth the flesh of Christ he shal liue for euer therefore the flesh of Christ is the bread of life If they shall now say some of the fathers in the wildernes did eate the Manna and yet died in their sinnes it cannot be denied and thereupon Christ doth affirme that Manna was not the bread of life that commeth downe from heauen and then adde their owne saying which is this some doe eate the flesh of Christ and yet do die in their sinnes what will then followe if this reason do stand in force Your fathers did eat Manna in the wildernes and are dead therefore Manna was not the bread of life Then shall not this also follow Many doe eat the flesh of Christ and yet are damned therefore the flesh of Christ is not the bread of life Thus it is euident that such as do affirme that any of the reprobate haue the liuelie faith doe gainsay Christ and ouerthrow the force of his argument To proceede what can be more firme to proue that the reprobate cannot haue the true liuely and iustifying faith then that which Saint Paul hath written Where this ground is first to bee laide that whosoeuer he is that hath the true iustifying faith he hath the spirite of sanctification the spirite of adoption for thus the Apostle conioyneth them wherein also after that yee beleeued yee were sealed with the holy spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance vnto the redemption of the purchased possession vnto the praise of his glorie Ephes 1. ver 13.14 Is there any so absurd as to hold that a man is a liuely member of Iesus Christ as euery one is that hath the liuelie iustifying faith and yet hath not that holy spirite of promise that spirite of adoption that seale and that pledge If they will say that the faith which the reprobate doe attaine vnto is without this spirite of adoption or without this seale or pledge then doe wee holde with them and then doth it follow that the faith of the reprobate is not the true iustifying and sanctifying saith which purgeth the heart Act. 15. But if they shall say that the reprobate are for a time partakers of the spirit of sanctification euen of that spirit of adoption then will there diuers right wicked consequences follow which are to be banished far frō christian religiō For first touching the spirit of adoption see what the Apostle saith As manie as are led by the spirit of god they are the sons of God For ye haue not receiued the spirit of bōdage again to fear but ye haue receiued the spirit of Adoption whereby we crie Abba Father That same spirite beareth witnesse vnto our spirit that we are the sonnes of God Rom. 8.14 15 16. If anie of the reprobate be led by the spirit of God or be at anie time sanctified then hath not S. Paule here said true that as manie as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sonnes of God Some of the reprobate indeed doe taste of the heauenly power but they are not led with the spirit of God they be not sanctified they walke not after the spirit Moreouer the spirit of adoption the sanctifying spirit which is in al that haue the true liuely and iustifying faith beareth witnes with and to the spirit of the beleeuers that they be the children of God This is the liuely faith when a man beleeueth that the Lorde God is his father and that he is the sonne of God And this faith is not separated from the spirit of adoption for it is vpon his testimonie that they do beleeue and by him they crie Abba Father Is not this spirit a true spirit and is not his witnes most firme and true If it be as those men say that the reprobate are partakers of the spirit of adoption then is not his testimonie firme and true For then that spirit of adoption teacheth some man to call God Father and witnesseth to his spirit that he is the sonne of God when as he is the childe of the diuell for hauing that faith and that testimonie of the spirit in him to day to morrow he doth by their saying vtterly and finally lose that faith and that spirit What an opinion is this to say that a man hath the true faith that is to say beleeueth by the testimony of the holy Ghost that God is his father and yet he is indeed the child of the diuell And moreouer doth not the Apostle say that after they beleeued they were sealed with the holie spirit of promise This is more then the bare testimonie of the spirit if I may so speake that hee sealeth Can this seale be disanulled or broken or made frustrate Is this seale vntrue If it bee euer set vpon the reprobate it is deceiueable If their opinion be true no man can then say thus God hath sealed me with his spirit therfore I doe belong to God For a reprobate hath that seale and it faileth him then who can say that it is a seale which is true and infallible Saint Iohn shewing vpon what testimonies faith in Christ is grounded saith There be three that bear record in heauen the Father the Word and the holie Spirit and these three are one And there bee three that bear record in earth the spirit water blood and these three agree in one If we receiue the testimony of men the testimonie of God is greater For this is the witnes which hee testifieth of his sonne Hee that beleeueth in the sonne of God hath the witnesse in himselfe 1. Ioh. 5. vers 7.8.9.10 Why are all these witnesses but to giue asrance of faith

Christ saith No man commeth vnto me except the father which sent me draw him Ioh. 6. VVhy did hee not drawe Herode and Pilate and the high Priestes as well as Paule VVee see in these latter dayes that there be great Nations as the west Indies which had neuer hearde of Christ vntill of late time and then by a most cruell and idolatrous people which haue murthered them most wickedlie so that they haue been made to stumble and to bee further from Christ VVho is able to comprehend the depth of these iudgementes Shall not wee lay downe the pride of our owne vnderstanding and say with the Apostle Hath not the Potter power ouer the claie of the same lumpe to make one vessell vnto honour and an other vnto dishonour Or shall the thing formed say to him that formed it Whie hast thou made me thus O beloued let vs lay aside all such vaine and curious presumptions and let vs as the holie Scripture directeth vs make our singular comfort of that eternall decree of God Thus wee are with it to fortifie our selues against the Diuell God of his owne good will hath chosen in his sonne Iesus Christ euen before the foundations of the worlde were laide those whome he will saue as the heires of eternall glorie Hee hath in his prefixed time redeemed them not with golde or precious stones as Saint Peter saith but with the blood of his sonne as of a Lambe immaculate and without spot He doth also call them hee doth sanctifie them This decree of God is vnchangeable it is vnpossible that any of his elect should perish VVho can plucke them out of the handes of Christ Then in the next place wee are to bee assured that none can haue the true faith but the chosen of God Not any doe receiue the spirit of adoption which witnesseth to their spirit that they be the children of God but the elect The elect are onlie regenerate and borne of God and sealed with the holie spirit of promise Then come downe to thy selfe If thou canst trulie say I haue the liuelie faith I haue receiued the spirit of adoption which doth witnesse with my spirit that I am the childe of God I am regenerate I haue the true repentance I am sanctified Satan doth tempt mee stronglie manie wayes but I am sure though he often as it were soile mee and cause me to goe awrie that hee shall neuer get the victorie ouer mee Is not this a singular comfort to a man If anie that hath the spirit of adoption may lose him then where is the stedfastnesse of faith which Saint Peter heere requireth in resisting the Diuel If it come once to lie in our selues wee cannot bee vndoubtedlie sure and stedfast wee may well waner and doubt but when we knowe that we are kept by the power of God as it is written 1. Pet. 1. Then haue wee a rocke whereon to rest then doe we stand stedfast armed with the power of God This faith may be tried and seeme oftentimes to be sore shaken but it can neuer bee ouercome Yea will some man say but euery man cannot come to knowe that hee hath receiued the true and liuely faith or the spirit of adoption we see many goe farre in the profession of the gospel and thinke that they haue the true faith and the sanctifying spirit which yet fall quite away It is true that there bee manie which imbrace the gospell and professe it with such feeling that they suppose God hath called them as his children there is for the time such a touch such a moouing in their heartes and yet in time they manifest themselues not to be of God One occasion or other driueth them awrie so that some of them become heretickes some of thē although they fall not into heresies yet they fall into vices and become so irreligious that all the former graces which they had tasted of doe vanish and are lost And this is the cause we are willed by Saint Peter to make our calling and election sure For seeing the reprobate receiue a kinde of faith and zeale which yet is not the true and liuely faith we are willed to be diligent and carefull to see that we rest not in that faith VVe must labour to attain to that testimonie of the spirit of adoption we must seek to bee confirmed and euen sealed with the holie spirit of promise and so come to that full assurance of faith and hope which neuer confoundeth And that is it which Saint Peter teacheth the way to come vnto in the place before alleadged where he willeth vs to ioine vertue with our faith with vertue knowledge c. For if we follow that rule which hee there prescribeth we shall be sure neuer to fall we shall then with a stedfast faith resist our aduersarie the diuell and get the victorie ouer him It is a matter of great importance I pray and beseech you as you tender the happy estate of your owne soules looke vnto it Set your hearts vpon the liuelie Oracles of God and seeke day and night after the knowledge of holie thinges and howe to please the Lord your God Then shall you bee blessed for euermore Amen FINIS Foure Sermons vpon the seuen chiese vertues or principall effectes of faith and the doctrine of election wherein euery man may learne whether hee bee Gods child or no. 2. Pet. chap. 1. 1 Simon Peter a seruant and an Apostle of Iesus Christ to you which haue obtained like precious faith with vs by the righteousnesse of our God and sauiour Iesus Christ 2 Grace peace be multiplied to you through the acknowledging of God and of our Lord Iesus 3 According as his diuine power hath giuen vnto vs al thinges that pertaine vnto life and godlines through the acknowledging of him that hath called vs vnto glory and vertue 4 Whereby most great and precious promises are given vnto vs that by them ye should be partakers of the diuine nature in that ye flee the corruption which is in the world through last BEfore we begin to handle or to intreat of the wordes of this text it shall not bee amisse to note to whom and when this Epistle was written Concerning the first of these it appeareth by the 3. chap. and 1. verse that it was written vnto the same that the former epistle was For thus hee speaketh This second Epistle I write vnto you beloued in which I stir vp your sincere mind by putting you in remembrance now these were the Iewes which were scattred abroad in the dispersion through diuers countries as it is expressed in the first chapter of the former Epistle for the Iewes were specially his charge as the care of the Gentiles was committed vnto Paul Galat. 2.7.8 The words are these When they saw that the gospell of the vncircumcision was cōmitted to me as the gospel ouer the circumcision was vnto Peter for hee that was mightie by Peter in the Apostleship ouer the

giue credit to our heauenly teacher who hath heere opened his holie mouth to instruct vs so plainely and before hand to warne vs of the great danger that we may stir vp ourselues and be quickened in our dull spirits with all humble submission and bowing downe our neckes to receiue the doctrine of our Lord to open our hearts in such sort that he may digge in them and thrust in his spade to the bottome for otherwise it cannot go wel with vs. If this were practised among vs wee should not haue so many old rusty Protestants which if a man talk with them from morning to night they are able to continue speech in reciting stories and places of Scripture and will vtter matter against the doctrine of the Pope but let a man vrge them with the doctrine of regeneration and stand vpon the necessitie of sincere repentance shewing them that they must be truly humbled vnder the burthē of their sinnes that they must mortifie and subdue their carnall lustes this is too hard a crust for their old teeth This matter doth marre all this doth rob them of their glorie and therefore they can not wilinglie abide to heare of it Let vs come now to the third kind of ground which receiueth the seed among the thornes here is depth enough of earth so that as the second sort of hearers seemed to goe far beyond the first so these seeme to goe far beyond them and to come nigher to eternall life for heere the worde doth grow hath root so deep that it springeth foorth so farre that Christ faith it groweth vp and the thornes growe vp with it the stalke doth shoot foorth the eare and lacketh but riping For this may bee prooued by Saint Luke who saith that they bee not Telesphorountes that is such as beare ripe and timely fruit for these professors doe manie good workes and seeme to bring foorth the fruites of the Gospel and that in such wise that men cannot alwayes discerne them but thinke their deeds to be notable but Christ Iesus doth shew that their workes before God who only cannot bee deceiued are as corne which lacketh riping which being ouershadowed with bushes withereth in the eare and commeth to naught this is a dangerous case if wee looke not to it That a man may heare the Gospell preached carie it away be moued thereby to doe many good workes and yet be damned Hee is a thousand folde mad therefore which doth not looke to himselfe in this point to trie what soundnesse there is in the fruites of his faith and how sincerely hee doth imbrace Gods worde As before I saide that some would obiect say this will destroy the faith so am I sure that heer it will be said much more because this seemeth to take away the surest tryall of faith if a man may not by and by say I haue good works therfore I haue the true and liuely faith I answere that whosoeuer hath any good worke in him the same hath the true faith which hath brought foorth that good worke because it is impossible without faith to do any good thing or to haue any good motion or intent but withall I say that it is one thing to seem good before men and another thing for to be good indeed before God In outward appearance there is little differēce between the good deeds of thē which feare god sincerely the vntimely fruite of worldlings but God whose eie doth not look vpon the outward shew but the inward affection seeth which proceedeth of faith and which doth proceed of vaine glorie or some other sinister respect and putteth as great differēce between thē as he did between the sacrifices of Caine and Abel Wee must take heed then that the fruits of our faith be ripe timely otherwise they be good but in shew We must come then to see first what these thornes are in S. Matt. they are called the cares of this world the deceitfulnes of riches in S. Luk. the cares of riches pleasures of this life And in very deed these thornes do growe togither For were it not for the pleasures of this life there would bee no cares of riches hee which doth seek greedily for welth it is either because he would be able to haue wherwithal to fill the lustes of the flesh and to pamper his body delicately or els to setforth himself in pride to climb ambitiously vnto honour For so long as a man doth take pleasure in any of these so long he is couetous raketh together so much that as the common saiing is he raketh vp the diuel all What must we do then Our hearts are as a ground that is rank bringeth forth many weedes we are set a work as God speaks by his prophet Ieremy chap 4.4 Plow vp your fallow sow not among the thorns we must put al diligēce care that our hearts may be rid of such noisom weeds as wil choke the word of God make that it shall not bring foorth fruit in vs. So long as we suffer any of these in vs either to loue dainty delicate feeding of our flesh to fil our selues with the lusts therof or to be gallant in the eies of mē hautily to lift vp our selues in our vain glorious minds for the maintenāce of these delightes bend our care to the world so long shall we be vnprofitable schollers in the school of christ Alas poor men which wold fain come to God yet are glued to the worlde they offer one hand to Christ the other to the diuel they can talk of the spirit and yet are led by the flesh the gospel is in their mouth and couetousnesse lodgeth in their hearts their works glister are green before men are withered before God they seem to be faithful are faithlesse to be heires of glory yet are the childrē of cōfusion there are gret plēty of these hearers specially in such places where there is welth honors how many fal away choked with the world and yet we are not afraid of ourselues to take heede that we stand fast A great mercy of God it is that we haue not only the doctrine laide before vs but also fearefull examples so that we may buy our wit with other mens cost For when wee see the world with delightes and pleasures with couetousnesse and ambition to carrie away those which professe the Gospell is not our owne matter in hand are not we made of the same mettall they are doth not the world assault vs as it doth them Yes and we shall be ouercome also if the Lord haue not mercie vpon vs. The hardnes of this worke ought not to discourage or make vs slack but hearing what Christ saith whome wee ought to beleeue the more harde the more we are to stirre vp our selues vnles we make small reckoning of the saluation of our soules Hee that shall yeeld

And if these witnesses doe testifie vnto a man that he is the childe of God and shall be saued for euery one that hath the true liuelie faith hath it vpon the testimony of all these witnesses and yet hee is a reprobate then is not the witnesse of God greater then the witnesse of men Then also to what end should he mention all these foresaid witnesses They giue an absolute testimonie that euery one that beleeueth hath life euerlasting By these places it is manifest that the reprobate cannot be partakers of the sanctifying faith they be not led at any time by the spirit of adoption they be not sealed vp with the holy spirit of promise they haue not the witnesse of God within them whosoeuer therefore hath these thinges let him be assured he shall neuer perish but if he be sanctified he is iustified hee shall bee glorified Rom. 8. ver 32. And this is it which the holie Scripture in many places proclameth that whosoeuer beleeueth in the sonne of God he shal neuer be confounded But what if the reprobate neuer haue the true faith nor the spirit of adoption yet doe not the elect so fall and sinne sometimes that there is no sparke of true faith left in them for the time This is the great cunning of the diuell to roote vp as it were the stablenesse and foundation of the truth But the word of God meeteth with it and teacheth that whosoeuer is regenerate and borne of God in the new spirituall birth as euery one is that hath the liuely faith seeing whosoeuer is in Christ he is a new creature the same man cannot so fall that this new birth should be extinguished in him For this wee haue the testimonie vttered by Saint Iohn in these words Whosoeuer is born of god sinneth not for his seed remaineth in him neither can he sinne because hee is borne of God 1. Ioh. 3. ver 9. Also we know that whosoeuer is borne of God sinneth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himselfe and that wicked one doth not touch him chap. 5. vers 18. In the former of these two sayings there be two members and vnto either of them there is annexed a reason to confirme the same As whosoeuer is borne of God sinneth not for his seede this is the reason remaineth in him And then the second member Neither can hee sinne the reason because hee is borne of God Now see if they doe not directlie gainsay the holie Ghost which holde that a man regenerate may loose the faith be vtterly voide of the spirit of sanctification For first whereas S. Iohn saith that whosoeuer is born of God he sinneth not They say a man hath his faith vtterlie quenched and is wholie depriued of the spirit of adoption What sin then is it that he sinneth not He that falleth in such sort as that he becommeth void of the true faith and of the sanctifying grace of God what is he other but as an infidell for the time and what sinne is it that he committeth not Shall it be said of such a man he sinneth not It may be this poore cauill will be vsed Hee that is borne of God sinneth not so long as he continueth in that estate so long as he continueth borne of God A vaine and most foolish speech for if a man that is vnregenerate and borne of GOD through a true and liuelie faith do so fal it is sinne that casteth him downe then he doth sinne while he is in that state For doth hee first cast away his faith and the grace of the sanctifying spirit and then commit sinne and not before What greater sinne then the falling from the faith and casting forth vtterlie the grace of sanctification But see how Saint Iohn meeteth with all cauilles in the reason which he annexeth to confirme that first member Why doth not any one that is borne of God sinne For saith hee his seede remaineth in him What is the seed of God which remaineth in all that are borne of God The word of God is called the incorruptible seed by which God doth beget his children 1 Pet. 1.23 That word is but an instrument the holie Ghost is the worker of the new birth and therfore our Sauiour teacheth except a man bee borne againe of water and of the spirit hee cannot enter into the kingdome of God Ioh. 3. vers 5. The seed of God then is the graces of the sanctifying spirit the liuely word Those men that say a man may lose his faith and the spirit of sanctification doe in flat speech contrarie that which the holie Apostle heere speaketh The seed of God saith Saint Iohn remaineth in all those which are borne of God and therfore they doe not sinne that is to say they do not sinne that deadly sinne of falling from God or of being separated from Christ which is not true if their saying bee true for there remaineth no seed of God in those that doe wholy lose their faith and in whome the sanctifying graces are vtterly extinguished It may be they wil here again adde their vaine cauill that the seed of God remaineth in them so long as they bee borne of God and hold the faith and stand in grace As if Saint Iohn should say thus the seede of God remaineth in them so long as the seede of God remaineth in them Is not this a very wise speech to be ascribed to the holy ghost He speaketh absolutely that whosoeuer is borne of God the seed of God euer after doth remaine in him therefore he sinneth not Let them go with their ridiculous distinction the seed of God remaineth in them so long as it remaineth in them for that speech they must be forced to vtter vnlesse they will confesse that when he saith his seede remaineth in them we must take it remaineth in them for euer If the seede of God remaine for euer in the regenerate then doth faith and the sanctifiing spirit remaine in them for euer For will they separate these But to put all out of doubt and to minister sound comfort or as the holy ghost speaketh strong consolation to all that haue the true and liuely faith euen to let them knowe indeed and vnderstand for certainty that they can not perish that they cannot be ouercome by Satan in the battel he addeth Neither can he sinne confirming it with this reason because he is born of God What can they say vnto this How will they auoide this Will they say that Saint Iohn meant heere some other matter Is it not clearer then the Sunne that the regenerate cannot wholy bee depriued of faith nor of the spirit of sanctification when he saith they can not sinne Can they wholie loose their faith and all the sanctifying grace and yet can they not sin O how happie and blessed is the state and condition of that man which hath attained to the true liuelie faith who hath the spirit of

sanctification by which hee is led euen the spirit of adoption that beareth witnesse with his spirit that he is the child of God seeing he may be tempted and sundrie times be led awrie into some sinnes but it is vnpossible that he shuld fall from God And what is the reason by which he prooueth that hee cannot so fall Because saith he he is borne of God Consider where the force of this reason lieth Men are mortall their seede is corruptible and that which is borne of man is corruptible and mortall God is incorruptible and immortall and so the seede of God is called incorruptible seed and immortal whereupon it doth follow that the birth which is of God is incorruptible and immortall Where the life of God is it cannot bee be extinguished Thinke it not strange then that Saint Iohn saith he cannot sinne because he is borne of God Except they will denie the manifest and cleare testimonies of the word of God except they will affirme that the seed of God is corruptible and so decayeth and doth not abide in those that are begotten of God except they will also make the testimonie of the spirit of adoption deceiueable false finally except they will make the seale of God and the pledge which he giueth of none effect denying that men are to make their calling and election sure and so to haue strong consolation Let them renounce this Popish errour that the true and liuely faith and the sanctifying spirit may be in the reprobate and that the same liuelie faith quickening grace may be wholie put out for a time in the elect It may bee demanded that seeing the word of God is so euidēt that men are to resist the diuel stedfast in the faith as being fully assured that he which hath once attained the liuely faith can neuer be ouercome nor perish what shuld be the cause that some do hold that true faith the spirit of adoption may be had lost again What should cast them vpon such rocks or driue them into such absurdities Surely they be driuen into these while they do as they suppose eschue more dāgerous rocks greater absurdities They would haue it to be somwhat in mans own wil power to receiue faith the whole work of regeneratiō They wold haue it be in the power wil of man to retain the same faith sanctifying spirit to lose thē Why are they of that mind Is it because they enuy that god shuld haue the whole praise glory of mans saluatiō as man being not able to doe any thing the grace is wholy of God We cannot say so But it is another thing that driueth them hereunto that is this they take it that vnles it be in mans wil power to receiue and to retain faith it wil follow from an higher cause that is this namely that such as God hath chosen vnto life to those he giueth faith worketh in thē by his spirit the new birth Then the other sort if there be no power in mā cānot attain to the faith regeneratiō they be before ordained vnto eternal destruction Thē wil it follow that there is predestinatiō euē an eternal decree of God by which he hath chosen and ordained some to life euerlasting and appointed others to eternall destruction This doctrine they say chargeth God with iniustice with crueltie For what is more cruell then of purpose to create and make any of his workes or creatures to be condemned vnto eternall torments Where is then say they the infinit mercie iustice and goodnesse of God To charge the Lorde God with any crueltie or iniustice is most wicked blasphemous and abominable And therefore they hold this the most safe course for the defence of the iustice and mercy of God where the word of God speaketh of election to take it thus that GOD hath chosen vnto life eternall all those whome he did foresee would receiue the faith walke in obedience and continue to the end and so their faith good works and perseuerance which God foresaw is the cause that mooued the Lord to choose them On the other side that he hath not reprobate any but hee hath foreseene that they either woulde not receiue the faith at al or els after they haue receiued it of their owne wickednes fall from it vtterly and finally and so he hath before ordained them in his foreknowledge vnto damnation This they say standeth with reason the other they hold to be repugnant to reason What shall we say to this shall wee heere enter for to discourse at large by the scriptures touching election and reprobation I haue no such purpose But only so farre as agreeeth with our present matter namely to make it appeare that the stedfastnesse of our faith and the full assurance of our saluation dependeth vpon the knowledge of our election As namely if wee finde in vs the true and liuely faith which goeth with the spirit of sanctification wee may then rise vp to that high cause and be assured that the Lord hath in that his eternall and vnchangeable decree chosen vs in Christ to be his children so that wee cannot perish To come then to an answere to those men Is not this a strange thing that they will comprehend by reason how God could decree the choise or election of some of his creatures vnto life and the reprobation of others vnto eternall destruction for their sinnes and yet not vniust If wee alleage the sentence of the Apostle But who art thou O man that pleadest with God They aunswer that they doe not pleade with God but they stand for the defence of the iustice and mercie of God least that shuld be imputed vnto him which is vniust and cruell No Is not this to plead with God or against God when hee shall bee iust hee shall be good hee shall bee mercifull no further than thy reason can comprehend He must yeeld a reason vnto thy vnderstanding and capacitie with what right or equitie he could doe so or so or els thou wilt reiect it Is not this I say to plead against God Saint Paule after hee hath disputed of the reiecting of the Iewes and the calling in of the Gentiles breaketh foorth into this exclamation O the deepnesse of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God how vnsearchable are his iudgments and his wayes past finding out Rom. 11. To this agreeth the Prophet in the Psalm saying Thy iudgments are as the great deep Let it be demanded what iudgementes of God are those which be vnsearchable or which bee as the great deep Are they not those iudgmēts which he executeth vpon his creatures and especially vpon his chief creatures Angels and men If these his iudgments be as the great deep euen vnsearcheable incōprehensible both vnto men and Angels then is it so in the highest matter namely that hee hath ordained by his eternall decree to bestow eternall life and