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A44504 Truth's triumph over deceit, or, A further demonstration that the people called Quakers be deceivers, and such as people ought to accompt accursed in their doctrines and principles in vindication of a former proof of that charge, made good against them, from the sorry shifts and evasions from it, and cavils of George Whitehead against it, in a pamphlet of his, called The Quakers no deceivers / written by John Horne ... as a further preservation of people from following any of their pernitious principles ... Horn, John, 1614-1676. 1660 (1660) Wing H2810; ESTC R41721 58,074 54

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if because so far off therefore they did not look for it Whenas the Fathers that died in the Faith and received not as then the promises lived many hundred years before the Apostles and yet they saw these promises a far off and imbraced them and confessed themselves strangers and Pilgrims in hope and expectation of a City and Country prepared for them Heb. 11.13 14 15 39 40. in the receit of which they shall not be perfect without us believers of these last ages Now what they hoped for they waited for too For if we hope for what we see not then do we with expectation wait for it saith the Apostle Rom. 8.24 25. And if they the Fathers hoped and waited and yet wait for the Redemption of their body in the resurrection of it might not the Apostles much more to whom it was by many hundreds of years nearer or is it more absurd to say Paul hath not yet the Redemption of the body for which he waited then that Abraham hath not yet received all the promises for which he hoped or that either of their bodies are not yet raised nor that glorious appearance of Christ yet come in which they are to be raised Their expectation of which while here led them to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lusts Tit. 2.12 13 14. But it appears plainly 〈◊〉 G. W's deriding such an expectation that he expects and waits for nor groans after no such thing whatsoever he subtilly say after that ver 13 14 16. of 1 Thes 4. he never denyed nor doubted of and so slighted disputing about it no no he was not willing to open his corrupt sense too broadly about them as may after appear He saies Paul groaned not to be uncloathed but cloathed upon True it was not death he groaned for but to be clothed upon with his house from heaven which because they knew they could not be clothed with till the earthly house of this Tabernacle were dissolved therefore they were willing rather to be absent from the body 2 Cor. 5.1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. But if Paul when he wrote that Epistle groaned for that redemption of the body which he saies he groaned for when he writ to the Romans as G.W. also implies by his quoting that place to parallel the other as indeed it doth then why did G. W. at the dispute endeavour to prove that the Apostle had that Redemption of the body when he writ this Epistle because he saies therein Chap. 13.8 he could do nothing against the truth but for the truth Thinks he that Paul received that Redemption of the body between his writing what is in Chap. 5. and what is writ in Chap. 13 Surely such a charge would have made him some where in the very writing break forth into an extraordinary Tryumph more than we find him therein between the said passages to do Indeed Chap. 12. he tels us of being taken up into Paradise and of abundance of Revelations but whither in the body or not he knew not and besides he speakes of things above 14 yeares before and sure he was not so long writing that Epistle or did G. W. rather wittingly bring that saying to blind and deceive people That appears most likely and so that he is a Deceiver indeed and to be therefore counted accursed ' Its true too that Paul calls that Redemption of the body the Adoption and Christ was made under the Law to Redeem those that were under the Law that they might receive the Adoption of Sons and that Adoption the Apostle had received in his spirit when he said he waited for the Adoption the Redemption of he body for in Rom. 8.15 16. he saies even of them he wrote to and therefore their state was not a state below being Sons of God and so born of God Ye have received the Spirit of Adoption whereby we cry abba Father and the spirit it self beareth witnesse with our spirits that we are the children of God And therefore surely born of God though yet they waited for that Adoption the Redemption of the body ver 23. So that still the more G. strugles the more he is proved a deceiver and my charge appears made good against him and no ly for me to say so Nor need to prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them and were sinners so long as they lived though that also was done from Psal 143.2 as before it 's enough that they confesse sin in them and waited for the Redemption of the body after they were born of God which was the thing that G. denyed Nor need I prove that the Quakers preach themselves free from sin seeing they grant or deny not that charge against them in their answer to our first Book Nor will their having confessed their sins serve the turne as was shewed at the beginning though yet G. W. is here covering and pleading for his sins or errors as it is apparent so the Apostles did not much lesse need we prove that they preach themselves perfect as if their preaching made them perfect for no body ever charged them with such a thing in that sense It 's enough that they preach themselves to be so perfect as that they have no sin for which they need Christ to be their Propitiation See again Reader how George is put to his shifts about Asa 'T is not said saith he that his heart was perfect all his life-time as if all his daies to wit of his reigne did not last to the end of his life had he a life time after all his daies were ended If he lived some daies after his heart ceased to be perfect then was not his heart perfect all his daies and then the Scripture saith not truly shall we believe the Scriptures or G. W's glosse That his heart was perfect all the while be did that which was right in the sight of the Lord and while the Land was quiet under his reigne but not after That is a glosse of his own brain against the authority of the Text seeing that time was not all his daies nor is it said his worke was perfect all his daies but his heart and that might be perfect as to his owning no god but the true God and desiring to approve it selfe to him notwithstanding some rash passions and neglect in seeking to him for a time as well as it is said to have been perfect notwithstanding the high places were not removed 1 Kings 15.14 As some Kings whose works were perfecter did as he also should have done had his works been perfect and sinlesse But wee see both by what he saies to this and other Scriptures before mentioned George makes no great matter of justling his authority with the authority of the Scriptures which evidences him to be a dangerous fellow not to be listened to View we his endeavours to vindicate his corrupt sayings about the coming of Christ mentioned 1 Thes 4.15 16. to which coming they