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A19668 Fryer Iohn Frauncis of Nigeon in Fraunce A replication to that lewde aunswere, which Fryer Iohn Frauncis (of the Minimes order in Nigeon nigh vnto Paris in Fraunce) hath made to a letter, that his mother caused to be written, and sent to him out of England, in August. 1585. Wherevnto is annexed an aunswere, to that which the same fryer hath written to his father and mother: in defence, and to the prayse of that religion, which he dooth nowe professe: and to the disprayse and defacing of that religion, which is nowe professed in Englande. Whereof the fryer himselfe was a scholler and professor, vntill the yeere 1583. which was the 18. yeere of hys age. VVritten by Robert Crowley. Anno. 1586. Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.; Debnam, Samuel. 1586 (1586) STC 6091; ESTC S109119 122,478 144

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S. Iohn saith in the same Epistle Cap. 4. Hée doth there teache you howe to knowe Antichrist and so consequently Antichristians Omnis spiritus qui soluit Iesum ex Deo non est hic est Antichristus de quo audistis quoniam venit iam nunc in mundo est Euery spirite that loseth or dissolueth Jesus or the Sauiour for so dooth the name Jesus signify is not of God and the same is Antechrist of whom you haue heard that he commeth and he is euen nowe in the worlde Who be they that may be sayd to lose or dissolue Jesus which is the Sauiour but they which doo as you doo That is asscribe one part of your saluation to Jesus Christ and another to your owne workes and merites If you can find any better interpretation of this place let vs at your leasure sée it If not leaue your dissoluing of Jesus and ioyne with vs in ascribing your whole saluation to the mediation of Jesus Christ as we doo But perhaps you wyll héere ●lée from your olde allowed translation and for an aduantage take holde of the Gréeke text which is thus Euery spirite that denyeth or doth not confesse that Jesus is come in the flesh is not of God c. But what can that helpe your cause Jesus Christe came in the flesh that he might treade the wine presse of Gods wrath alone and not to haue any one to helpe him Esay 63. Hee came in the flesh that he might be wounded for our iniquities broken for our great and wicked sinnes that the correction wherby we might be reconciled myght fall vpon him that we might bée made whole by the brwsing of his stripes Esay 53. Agayne S. Paule 1. Tim 1. Thys is a true saying and méete to be receiued of all men that Christ Jesus came into this world to saue sinners And in Math. 1. Hée shall saue his people from their sinnes And in S. Iohns Gospell 1. Beholde him that taketh away the sinnes of the worlde By all these places it is plaine that whosoeuer ascribeth any parte of our saluation to any other then to Christ Jesus alone denyeth him to bée come in the flesh and is of that Antichrist that S. Iohn speaketh of 1. Epistle 4. You are therefore Antichristians and we are for good cause come from you because we were not Antichristians and therefore not of you We are returned to that Romish Catholicke Church that was in Johns time from whom you came out because you were not of them And we doo now beléeue as they beléeued then They beléeued then that there is but one God that hath made all creatures and him they glorifyed in the vse of hys creatures and they gaue thankes to hym alone for those creatures and studyed to serue him onely in spyrite and and with spiritual seruice fléeing from the example of the Heathen Nations that presumed to counterfayte his maiestie by Images Rom. 1. And so doo wée They beléeued and confessed that all men are sinners and that man can not iustify himselfe before God because no man can so kéepe the Lawe but that his own conscience shall condemne him as a transgressor therefore they dyd cleaue to the mercy of God and so doo we They beléeued that they were iustified that is discharged of their sinnes fréely by fayth wythout the déedes of the Law and yet they thought themselues bound to doo all that God had and should make them able to doo in obseruing and fulfilling the Law and so doo we Rom. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. They beléeued that God making choyse of them had in mercy made them his owne children by adoption inheritours of his kingdome and heyres annexed with his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus and héere of they were assured by the spirit of Christ which was gyuen to them and cried in their harts Abba Pater Father Father and so doo we They beléeued that this election and choyse was made in the fore knowledge and purpose of GOD before them selues were and so consequently before they eyther had or coulde doo good or euill and so doo we Rom. 9. They beléeued that as they were by frée mercy of God adopted predestinated called iustified and acquitted of their sinnes and in Gods predestination glorifyed and made like to the Image of his onely begotten sonne Christ Jesus Rom. 8. So their duety was to be carefull to leade a righteous life before men and not be bolde to commit sinne because God had in mercy discharged them of sin but to liue in awe and a reuerent childlike feare of his iustice as they that would shewe themselues continually thankfull for his mercy in making their owne bodies a Sacrifice to God lyuing holy and acceptable vnto God as theyr reasonable seruing of God Rom. 10. 11. 12. And euen so doo wée They beléeued that theyr duety was to submytte themselues to all such as God had sette ouer them in authoritye and to obey them not onelie for feare of punishment but for conscience sake also knowing that whosoeuer resisteth power resisteth the ordinaunce of GOD and doth purchase to himselfe damnation And they beléeued that their duety was to giue euery man his owne and to vse louing behauiour towards all men knowing that loue is the fulfilling of the Lawe And that béeing baptised they had put vpon themselues Christ and ought to walke and continue their liues in honesty not making prouision for the fleshe to satisfy the lustes thereof Rom. 13. and euen so doo we They beléeued that although God had gyuen them liberty in the vse of al his creatures yet their duety was to haue a continuall regarde to the infirmitie of their brethren●● and not to vse any of those creatures to the offence of any of them Rom. 14. 15. and euen so doo we They beléeued that they together with all other Christians els where in any part of the worlde were fellowe members of one bodye in Christ and vnder Christ alone acknowledging no vniuersal heade of that body but onely Christ Jesus alone Rom. 12. And euen so doo we Thus you may sée that we are not departed from the Catholicke Romaine Church which was in the time of S. Iohn but from you that departed from them more then 1000. yéeres before this day You put many of Gods creatures in the place of God in reposing trust in them in calling vpon them and crauing helpe at theyr handes in rendring thankes vnto them in honouring them in and by their Images in seruing thē and in consecrating daies Temples and Altars to their honour You presume vppon your owne power as they that are able either to fulfill the Law or els hauing broken the Lawe to satisfie to God for your sinne in breaking the Lawe and to that end you fast from flesh you goe and lye woolwarde you rise at midnight you sing mattins and masses you whyp your selues with your disciplines or whyps not following therein any commaundement of God
full of all guyle and disceitfulnes thou enemy of all righteousnes doost thou not cease to peruert the right waies of the Lorde Take héede thou blasphemer of that which followeth in that text Darest thou say that the deuil of hel is the foundation of Christes Religion Thou callest it our Religion because we professe it and we acknowledg that in that meaning it is ours indéede we are not ashamed of it But in thy meaning we deny it to be ours for wee are not the Authors of it It is a reuerent feare and loue towards the maiestie of God which the holy spirit of Christ hath wrought in our harts whereby we are mooued to séeke to knowe his wyll and to serue him according to his wyll The foundation of this Religion is the Law of God and the Gospell of Christ For the Lawe dooth worke in vs feare and the Gospell worketh loue By the lawe we are seruants but by the Gospell we are children that is adoptiue sonnes and daughters of God himselfe and inheritors of hys kingdome and heyres annexed with Jesus Christ his onely begotten Sonne This Law did God himselfe wryte first in the hart of the first man in his first creation and after in Tables of stone and deliuered the same to Moses as his especiall and chosen Minister that by his ministration it might bee made knowne to his people the posteritie of Abraham Isaac and Iacob And the same Law is by the finger of God written in our harts in our regeneration or newe byrth wherein we are borne from aboue by water and by the holy Ghost hauing receiued the spirite of Christ which crieth in our harts to the heauenly maiesty Abba Pater Father father The Gospell also was first preached to the first man and to the first woman when God himselfe said thus to the Serpent I wyll p●●enmitie betwixt thée and the woman betwixt thy séede and her séede her séede shall breake thy heade This Gospell was a gladde tydings to the first mā and his wife and they both beléeued it and by that beléefe were they discharged of the sinne which they hadde committed in tasting of the forbidden fruite which S. Paul calleth Justifying And continuing in this beléefe they had this promised séede Christ their continuall Aduocate as we haue so that so oft as they did by f●ailty sinne they did as we doo by faith repare vnto him and he was the propitiation for their sinnes as he is for ours when we repare vnto him by fayth Christ Jesus therefore is called and is indéede Agnus occi●us ab origine mundi That Lambe that hath béene slayne euen from the beginning of the world Apo. 13. This Gospell was continually preached both before the Lawe written in Tables of stone and also vnder that Law by Sacrifice as by shaddowes and figures Heb. 10 as also by the ministry of the Prophets But when Christ Jesus which is this promised séede came he preached this Gospell in his owne person first most plainlie amongst them that were his owne peculier people And afterward he preached it amongst the nations of the world by the ministry of his Apostles or messengers And thus the knowledge heere of came to al Nations of the world Amongst whom the Grecians thought good to call this Gospell which in our olde Englishe was named Gods speale that is to say Gods word by the name Euaggelion which name doth by interpretation signify Gladde tydings This Gospell or Glad tydings so called because it dooth assure vs of frée pardon and full forgiuenes of all our sinnes by the onely mediation of our onely Mediator Christ Jesus is that Gospell that Christ Jesus doth styll preache amongst vs by the ministry of them whom you call Heretickes Howe dare you now say that the foundation of our Religion is the deuill of hell Is the deuill of hell the Lawe and the Gospell But for your recreation as it may séeme it hath pleased you to vse the figure Parenthesis and therein to set downe a long Register of the names of such as you call the deuils ministers to whom you wysh either conuersion or els spéedy dispatch out of thys life This petition may wée with greater and more Christian loue both towards you and our Countrey craue at Gods hand for you and for all your societye You sette downe our names very disorderly euen as they came to your troubled memory or as some man had gathered them and deliuered them to you in some torne péece of paper It may be that neither you nor anie that hath giuen you instructions did at any time knowe many of them whom you name nor reade any thing written by them And yet like a bolde blinde Bayarde you promise to write and publish their behauiours in another Page You may perhaps doo if but with as small commendation and as great shame as others haue doone before you It is written to our comfort that if such as you did call the good man of the house Belzebub howe much more will such call them of the housholde so It is one good signe that we be of the housholde of Christe when we be for Christes cause called as Christ himselfe was and by such as called him so Math 10. The Pharesies your Auncestors in hipocrisy shamed not to say vnto him euen to his face Do not we say well in that we say thus Thou art a Samaritan and hast a deuill Iohn 8. And shall we thinke much that you backbite vs and in your slaunderous Lybels charge vs with crimes which you are not able to prooue more then the Pharesies could prooue that Christ was a Samaritane and had a deuill For mine owne part syr boy Fryer make what report you dare better experience you haue not had of any for you haue béene in my house and at my charges a long seauen yéeres but take héede that your pen scribble no lye in the report that you shall make of mee for if you doo I wyll if GOD gyue life and hability so paynt you wyth my pensell as you neuer painted your naked backe wyth your hipocrites discipline or whyp You apply vnto vs the saying of the holy Apostle S. Iohn the first Epistle Chapter 2. Ex nobis prodierunt c. If you be as you say you are a Papist of the society of Papists then you apply that saying rightly to vs so farre forth as that you say that wee came forth from you and were not of you But if that society of which you meane be the Catholicke Church whereof y e Church of Rome that was in S. Iohns time was a principall member then that saying of S. Iohn can not be rightly applyed vnto vs but to you For not we but you are gone out from them were not of them And we are gone out from you and were not of you for you are Antichristians and we are Christians as those Romaine were in the dayes of S. Iohn But wyll you sée what
proselite of yours to beléeue all that the Romishe Catholicke Church teacheth although the same bée directly contrary to the scriptures As to make and worship Images to call vppon Angels and saints to repose trust in the worthines of his owne workes to make himselfe a Mediator in suffering for the sinnes of his Parents and Country men to haue an opinion of holines in refrayning the vse of Gods good creatures which are all holy and to be receiued with thankes to God for the vse of them to kisse and worshippe the Reliques of saynts to beléeue the reall presence of Christes bodie in the Sacrament of the Altare to make that Sacrament a sacrifice propi●iatorie for the sinnes of the quicke and the deade c. To conclude if the Romysh Catholicke Church doo teach it he must beléeue it although both reason and scripture doo denye it Into this miserable blindnes you haue by your allurements and perswasions brought many youthes that myght and were like to haue doone good seruice to God and theyr Prince in theyr natiue Countrey you haue caused them to shake of all duetifull obedience to God to theyr Country to theyr Prince to theyr parents and to all that haue béene theyr fosterers and bringers vp in learning and in religious exercises you haue plunged them into the puddle of all popysh superstition and counterfayted religion you haue stolen them from our Captaine Christ and made them souldiours to fyght against Christ vnder the banner of that Antichrist of Rome Thus your proselite hath reported in the discourse of hys peregrination that he was in Rhemes in Fraunce 17. monthes together in company with two hundreth English men almost lacked nothing which argueth that some good portion of your patrimony is spent in the maintenaunce of such English youthes as you haue conueighed thether and to other places beyond the Seas I wyll charge you no furder Take héede to your selues in time Consider that there is a God that séeth your dooinges and knoweth your intents He wil not suffer such dooings vnpunished for euer If you think that the religion that is now allowed of in this Realme by law be not Catholicke séeke your resolution at the hands of such as are learned in the tongues in the liberal artes in the writings of auncient fathers and in the scriptures and are your Countrymen occupied in the seruice of God this our cōmon country Such are able and wil be ready to conferre with you and by their knowledge in the scriptures Doctors artes and tongues to satisfy you and vndoubtedly if you wyll humbly craue it of God ye shall bee satisfyed Remember your duetye towardes GOD your duety towardes your prince your duety towardes your Country and Countrymen Repent purpose and endeuoure to amend that which you haue doone amisse Helpe to bring home againe such as by your meanes haue béene occasioned to stray from Christes fold in this our natiue soyle As you haue béene meanes to drawe them from Christ so vse what meanes you can to bring thē backe againe to Christes folde in Englande If they shall perrish in that schisme whereinto you haue brought them as vndoubtedly they shall if they shall ende in it theyr blou● shalbe required at your handes When your Seminary men tell you that we are the Sci●smaticks and they the Catholicks beleeue them not except they prooue it by Scriptures and probable reasons If wée doo proue both by the Scriptures and by probable reasons that the Church of England is Catholick and the Romysh Church schisu●●ticall why should not you beleeue vs Because they doo knowe that if you shall reade our wrytinges you must néedes yéelde to the truth which you shal sée substantially prooued by vs they put you in feare of curssing or excommunication if you shall reade any thing that is written by any of vs or if you shall giue attentiue héede to any Sermons made by vs which argueth that themselues doo knowe that the trueth is on our sides You are Gentlemen and by naturall and ciuile order you are Frée men suffer not your selues to be ledde and commaunded as blinde and bonde men by these dol●ysh hypocrites which teach you to submit your selues to the decrées precepts and doctrines of men which haue but a vaine shewe of wysedome and not to regarde the wisedome of God contained and taught in the holye Scriptures Collos 2. Your calling and estate in the Common weale of this Realme is worshipfull and your duety is to be ayding to your Prince in the execution of the Lawes made for the preseruation of the state and defence of the liberty of this English nation and wyll you bée the ring leaders in the violating of those good Lawes in sub●erting the state and in turning the liberty into thraldome and bondage God forbidde Our good God in hys good time vsed our noble King Henry the eyght as his meane by whome hée deliuered this noble and free kingdom from the Babilo●icall bondage of Rome and wyll you bring your selues and the whole English nation into the like bondage againe The same our mercif●ll GOD hath by the same Noble Prince and by his Sonne Edwarde and Elizabeth his daughter restored to this English nation the bright shyning light of the Gospell and wyll you bring vppon your selues and vpon vs and vpon all our posterity the palpable Egyptian darknes of Ignoraunce the mother nursse and continuall fosterer of all errour and wiched life God forbidde You are English men God giue you English harts that may neuer yéelde to bee gouerned by forraine power You be christian men God giue you christian hartes that may neuer yéelde to professe Antichristian Religion Suffer not your selfe to be blinded by their colours of antiquity vniuersality and vniformity For when theyr antiquity is compared with ours it is found to be but of yesterdayes hatching where ours is prooued to haue had continuaunce from the time of the first man Their vniuersalitye was neuer so large as the Romaine Monarchie but ours hath alwayes béene and styll is and euer shalbe as large as the whole worlde Theyr vniformity is deuided themselues doo scarsly knowe into howe many seuerall sects whereof not any two can be founde that doo agrée in all poynts but we béeing but one body and one spirit are called in one hope of our calling one Lorde one fayth one Baptisme One God and father of all which is aboue all throughout all thinges and in vs all ●phe 4. I pray you vouchsafe to reade with indifferent iudgment that which I haue written in my Replication and answere to that which Fryer John Fra●ncis of Nigeon in Fraunce hath written to hys Father and Mother And as he hath admonished in the margine of his letter no lesse then seauentéene tunes Reade it thorough or beginne it not euen so haue I sette at the heade of euery page Reade all or reade nothing I haue set down the Fryers wordes euen as he wrote them and as