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A19569 A triall of our church-forsakers. Or A meditation tending to still the passions of unquiet Brownists, upon Heb.10.25 Wherein is iustified, against them, that the blessed Church of England 1 Is a true Church. 2 Hath a true ministry. 3 Hath a true worship. By Robert Abbot ... Abbot, Robert, 1588?-1662? 1639 (1639) STC 60; ESTC S100380 140,135 286

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appointed Surely the freedome of spirit stands not so much in freedome of words and in intention of zeale As a servant that delivers his masters message in his masters words may doe it with a free spirit So may a man pray when he takes to himselfe words and not coines them himself The best prayers are those that are delivered in Gods words and are our spirits stinted because we tye our selves to Gods words As Gods Spirit is not stinted when it speakes unto us by the Scriptures read so nor our spirits when wee speake feelingly to God by read Prayers Put case one man pray with a thousand that have large spirits will they say that their spirits are stinted because they are tyed up for the time being to his spirit so nor when wee pray with others Prayers Have wee a spirit better than the Disciples of Christ and doe wee know what will stint them better than Christ yet Christ gave them the Lords Prayer not onely to say after that manner when hee taught the Doctrine of Prayer but also to say when hee taught them the practice of Prayer But say they hath not God given every good Christian a spirit of supplication by which they have a faculty and power to pray The Disciples I hope were good Christians yet they say to Christ teach us to pray Yet know that there is a double power to pray An inward power by which the heart moves and goes out of it selfe after God Christ grace and salvation This power all good Christians have by the spirit of adoption whereby they cry Abba Father An outward power whereby they are able distinctly and judiciously to expresse the motions and desires of their hearts This power all have not and therefore have neede still to have further helpe and direction as our Saviour did helpe his Disciples But surely they may say the Lords Prayer is not a forme of Prayer taught his Disciples or us It is short and imperfect it hath no such glory in it as some other I may think● it though Christs word be say and none are tyed to this forme of Prayer alone Let all this stand till it be removed It is true it is short and in that is seene the glorious wisdome of Christ but it is most perfect We must pray all manner of Prayers Supplications intercessions and giving of thankes yet all these are comprehended in it Againe there is infinitely more glory in it then in all Prayers made by men If all Prayers be made they have their graynes of weight from hence It briefly comprehends them all and hath the best authority in the world The wisdome of God the son of God the beloved of God made it and expressed it with his tongue in such blessed order as men Angels cannot devise the like It is true that Christ saith say it but there is a saying with the mind and heart as well as with the tongue For there are two parts of Prayer the soule of Prayer when it is presented with understanding heart and spirit and the body of Prayer to helpe our fervencie as when we bowe our knees lift up our hearts with our hands and our eyes are lift up to God and our bones say Lord who is like unto thee and our tongues are the pennes of ready writers Yet hath not Christ tyed us unto this prayer only Christ himselfe hath other prayers beside this and the Apostles many together with the Church and godly particulars Yet by reason of the perfection of it both in matter order and words by reason of the sufficiency of it to supply all wants and by reason of our forgetfulnesse to aske all or halfe it is a sure and comforting way what ever wee pray to use it alwaies with judgement and understanding But say some of them it is of so large extent that wee cannot comprehend it It is true that it is of large extent and therefore we must labor for strength of judgmēt and memory to put it up from the heart that we may not tumble it over as the manner of some is as if it burnt their tongues But Christs lookes not that we should conceive of every thing in it every time wee use it As there are few prayers wee can make but are of larger extent then wee presently conceive as when we say the Lord san●tifie your sickenesse unto you the Lord blesse you the Lord give you grace there are more things comprehended then presently meant● so in the Lords prayer and therefore wee must have docible hearts to understād it better better and we must have wisedom according to our apprehension to apply it to severall occasions But say they this or any other stinted prayer are the very cut-throates of devotion and coolers of affections Indeed they are so to wicked hearts Children must bee pleased with novelties and wicked men loath Gods continued favours though it bee Mannah from heaven but if set prayers wrought so of themselves would Christ ever have given a set forme to his disciples Certainely they will be no enemies to devotion if Christians bee zealous and carefull in using them For the constant practise of the saints in scriptures commends them unto us in prescribed Psalmes and formes of blessing And such is the inequalitie of gifts dispensed by Christ unto his people that to some a prescribed forme is necessary when he hath not given them gifts of knowledge and utterance to expresse their desires in any comely way To others necessary too who are able fitly and fully to doe it in private yet are not so faced and tongued that they can doe it with confidence in publicke to all it is excellently usefull that they may not onely have helpe of their owne spirits but of the publick spirit of God working in his church to advance them forward to heaven It is a world of pittie that men that have some great gifts as they thinke should contemn them that have them not though haply they have others better then they To have a gift of expressing our desires in fit order matter and words is a comely ornament yet may it and doth often fall upon an hypocrite it is not of the essence of a saveable Christian● but to say wee know not what to pray for as we ought but the spirit helpes me publickly and privately with groanes and sighes that cannot be expressed to say thus I say and to feele the truth of it too is a note of a good Christian and can fall upon none but a childe of the kingdome of heaven But say they put case that others may be helped by set formes of prayer yet is there no reason that a Minister or Presbyter that hath gifts should bee tied to a forme of words Neither is he alwaies but that he should bee tied to common solemne praier as with us there is
the church of Corinth is called the body of Christ and members in particular This church as any other particular church may be considered two wayes In it selfe and so it was a body with reference to other churches and so it was a member of the catholick church But consider it both or either of these wayes if it bee the body of Christ if a member of his body or if both Christ is the head of it hee is in the midst of the seven golden candlestickes Therefore also the church of Ephesus is called the house of God and as in an house there is an head the husband is the wifes head so but more transcendently is Christ the head of every particular house or church For God hath set his sonne over his own house and our high-priest is over the house of God This is t●ue But thirdly say the Brownists what is that to us Christ is not our head Yes Christ is the head of our church of England For doe but consider 1 Wherein Christs headship stands 2 How hee useth and exerciseth it Christs headship doth stand in providing fit meanes for the gathering and enlarging of his visible church or churches and making them effectuall There is a foundation to bee layd which properly is Christ and for and from him the Prophets and Apostles There are builders yea master builders as well as others to bee provided There are materials to be at hand saints by calling some of which grow up to be lively stones a spirituall house that they may be Gods building These faithfull ones must be laied and coupled together as by joints till they grow into an holy temple for the habitation of the Lord by the spirit Now that this may be done Christ is the principal agent he adds unto his church that they may come to the father by him And withall hee provides his word that they might believe and ministers by whom they may doe it and the sacraments that they may bee baptized into his death and have the communion of the bloud of Christ Hee rests not heere but to make them effectual in the use of these means hee comes amongst these citizens with the saints and grants to those that by grace receive the spirit which is of God repentance unto life and faith to purifie their hearts and so hee addeth to the church from day to day a great number that believe and turne unto the Lord. But for those that come in to the voyce of the word and supper of the gospel in word and sacraments and have Simon Magus Iudas Hymeneus Alexander and Demas his heart if the conviction of themselves and the conversion of others and their perseverance doe them no good he shewes sometimes what they deserve by fearefull judgements and the censures of the church but hee will shew it in full power when the great day of separation comes Now looke in the feare of God whether our ever blessed Iesus Christ bee not thus our head Have wee not thorough grace the word of God gifts ministery and sacraments from Christs rule Say the Brownists ye have not all Christs ordinances yee want his discipline To that I shall speake in due place in the meane time put case it were true yet were it a true visible church though not a perfect one That is an ordinance for the comely and well being not for the being of the church But it lies upon them to prove that what they say we want are Christs ordinances and branches or his kingdome This they never can doe by the undoubted word of Christ Besides hath not Christ our head in the use and exercise of these blessings manifested his effectuall power How many iniquities are subdued and sinnes cast into the depthes of the sea what place is there where we shall not find the serpents head broken Some have beene in their ordinary businesses as the woman of Samaria and have come off with the bells of the horses pots in Ierusalem and Iudah as well as pots in the Lords house engraved with holinesse unto the Lord. Some have been disciplined with the misery of the h●sks of swine and have beene translated out of the kingdome of darkenesse into the kingdome of Gods deare sonne Some have heard and read good things to scoffe and cavill at them but have been suddenly changed from glory to glory as by the spirit of the Lord. Some have breathed out the stinking breath of sinne as Saul and others have seene the heates of persecutions and they have returned home to call upon the name of the Lord Iesus both theirs and ours Yea and some have seene others fall away from the faith of Christ and by the preaching of Christ have met with graffing in the riches of the Gentiles reconciling and salvation And though with Christ they have had a sword sent yet bonds in Christ have beene famous and the brethren in the Lord have waxed confident and bold to speake the word without feare Thus hath it beene with our blessed church the kingdome of heaven hath suffered violence and the violent have taken it by force But the ministery of the Brownists hath had no such communion and influence with and from Christ our head one of a city two of a tribe heere a little and there a little doth not answer in a continuall course from Christ hither the power of Christs intercession for the heathen for his inheritance and the uttermost part of the earth for his possession But say the Brownists wee have other heads besides Christ I say we have no other mysticall head beside Christ but onely politicall heads to keepe peace and to see that every person within their compasse doe his duty religiously Thus the husband is the wives head the honorable man the head Saul the head of the Tribes and Moses chose men of courage and made them heads over the people But say they our King is our head so as to rule in matters of religion This is true yet fourthly co●sider that this headship of the King doth not hinder ●ut helpe the advancement of Christs headship and that according to the word of Christ To cleare this follow mee in two particulars 1 That God hath given a power of governement to the Church for the well ordering of it selfe 2 That Christ hath made Kings prime officers to advance it in their places As a man cannot well be without cloathes good nourture so neither can the Church well be without the walles of government She must also bee able to hold up her head against her enemies that shall say by what authority dost thou these things and who made thee a man of authority Therefore hath Christ given the particular or generall rules of the word to give a commission to the Church to governe it selfe both in matters
and continue in our fellowship with glorious comfort Put case we had no power to purge wicked livers must they presently say Depart from me I am holier than thou They should beare onely their owne burthens in sinne and one anothers burthen by compassion toleration charity and meeknesse By rash separation the correction of the wicked is not furthered but hindred for when they see themselves contemned they are put further from the Kingdome of Heaven and made sevenfold the child of Hell more to the hazzard of all But the truth is we have excellent power for both these workes Though not in all the members of every particular congregation as they meane for then no man could perish in the gaine-saying of Core whose mutiny was because he could not be equall to Aaron whom God appointed his superiour yet have wee it in every Diocesse where lawes are made not by one but many for the ruling of all under them And if persons were not sometimes in fault more then offices who yet seeme worse through the impetuous carriages of those that speake evill of governement and thinke it as easie to rule multitudes as a few in a Parlour wee might be easily as happy in our power as all the Churches under Heaven Then I pray tell me say they the reason of two things why ungodly men are not cast out and why your excommunication is thundred against good men meaning Solution 1 themselves The reason of the first is because good Canons are not observed Were Bishops never so good and their officers never so carefull under them yet if Church-wardens that should upon the oath of God present scandals thinke thus I shall be accounted a troubler of my neighbours our presentments come to nothing but to make the court rich to present the poore brings but charge to the parish meaning his owne purse no man can observe all the Canons or it is better to punish them before the civill magistrate out of prejudice to courts of spirituall judicature then is it impossible be the governement never so good that wicked men should bee cast out But if Church-wardens be as the house of Cloe to Paul to give true information and to open the eyes of the not-seeing judge they shall soone heere as of that incestuous person Cast them out But the truth is this question neede not be moved by them seeing they see more cast out in our Churches then in the Churches of Corinth whereof choise of wicked members we heare onely of excommunicating onely one beast To the second quaere I answere because it Solution 2 may fall out so in all the societies in the world that a good man may not be a good citizen nor a good member of a visible Church If then they are cast out it is not for goodnesse but because they are not good enough There is a double goodnesse a certaine goodnesse and a controversal goodnesse which is so judged of some good men but not so of others as good as they No good man is cast out by us for certaine goodnesse but for controversal which ends in stirres and tumults and then I would they were cut off that trouble you saith Paul Againe there is a double goodnesse in the thing it selfe and in the carriage of it as Iobs cause was good yet he carried it badly and therefore before God received him to his favour he was driven to abhorre himselfe and repent in dust and ashes No man by us is cast out for any good thing but for his undiscreet and bad carriage of it A man doth not onely love the meate but the dressing of it so doth God the manner as well as the matter and so doth the Church If therefore the carriage of goodnesse end in faction and turbulency the actours happly may bee justly cast out for a time to make them more humbly wise Yea but say they such good men as were persecuted for our consciences by the Bishops and their instruments with their curses and prisons when wicked men are spared It may fall out so justly in three cases when wicked men confesse their faults and they deny them when there is publicke cognisance by a cleare and open law against their faults and not against the other And thirdly when one disturbs the publike peace of the church more then the other For as it is well said in a Common-wealth some smaller offence hath heavier punishment as breaking open a poore Cottage where no goods are lost or person hurt then the stealing of some cattell which haply are more worth because the publike tranquility and peace of subjects is more hurt so also is it justly in the Church when publike peace is in hazard But is the sinne of separation so great that it should be punished more then blasphemy perjury whoring drunkennesse say they All these and other sinnes are detestable and by all lawes fall under great censures and finde not the spirit of meeknesse but the rod when the sleepy consciences of Officers will present them in due course of Law Yet the sinne of separation is very great It makes men throw durt in their mothers face and defile their fathers and brethren It stands and pleads it own justification in despight of government whereas the other are selfe condemned wretches It sowreth many quickly under shew of holinesse whereas the other are abhorred by a naturall conscience It begets divisions which breed thoughts of heart and proud contentions whereas none will contend in defence of the other yea it shakes the hearts of men in Religion making them to doubt whether any Religion be good For while they see these that are reputed good men to be so divided the adversary triumphs the scoffer mockes but the serious Christian that knowes he must have a Religion to bring him to heaven knowes not which way to take His body is in one Church his soule in another his opinion in neither but as the wind of affection and the tide of well pleasing persons carry him whereas the other move him not one foo● in Religion For Religion gives holy and good principles If they be not sucked into make men better it is not because Religion is naught but because those that professe it are too bad as they will know in the day of our Lord Iesus Weigh but this throughly and you will not blame Bishops for the punishment of the vaine sinne of separation But put case say they that they did well in all their former use of excommunication yet when they make it base and vile in excommunicating for triviall and unworthy causes as fees and small portions of money to be paid by them that are not able to pay in this they sinne against the Kingdome of Christ Indeed if it be so through Bishops faults now verily there is a fault I know no Bishop in our Church but would willingly redresse it If