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A69202 Generall demands concerning the late covenant propounded by the ministers and professors of divinitie in Aberdene, to some reverend brethren, who came thither to recommend the late covenant to them, and to those who are committed to their charge. Together with the answers of those reverend brethren to the said demands. As also the replyes of the foresaid ministers and professors to their answers. Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.; Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Hamilton, James Hamilton, Duke of, 1606-1649. 1638 (1638) STC 66; ESTC S100396 26,442 56

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record is on high That Lord who only seeth the secrets of hearts knoweth that we love his truth and are ready so soon as it shall be shown unto us to embrace and professe it before the world Next we appeal to the consciences of all impartiall readers who shall have occasion to weigh and consider maturely the weight of our arguments and of these answeres which it hath pleased you to give us wishing them yea most humbly and earnestly intreating them to judge both of your writings and ours without prejudice or any partiall respect Yea we are confident that ye also of whose love to the truth of GOD we are perswaded will after better advisement and more mature consideration of the matters debated acknowledge that we are not against the truth but for it The Lord open your eyes that you may clearly see that truth for which we stand WE objected to you Reverend Brethren that you had not a calling to urge us to the subscription of the late Covenant from any acknowledged authoritie or lawfull Judicatorie established in this Church or Kingdome to which objection ye answere not here particularly as we expected And whereas you say That you are come to exhort us and our people in all humility to joyn with you How is it that without our consent and against our will not having lawfull authority which you seem here not to acclaime to your selves you have publickly preached to our people within our Congregation which is a thing repugnant to those places of Scripture in the which the Spirit of God recommendeth to Elders or Pastors the care of those flocks over which the holy Ghost hath made them over-seers Acts 20.28 1 Pet. 5.2 as also telleth us That the Pastors whom the flock must know and to whom they must submit themselves do watch over the souls of that flock and must give account for them 1. Thessal 5.12 Hebr. 13.17 It is also contrarie to the laws of the Christian Church in all ages For by the ancient Canons Pastors are commanded to containe themselves within the limits of their own charge and not to presume to exercise Pastorall office in another Pastors Diocesse or Parioch without leave As also they forbid Pastors to receive to divine service any man of another Parioch that commeth in contempt of his own Pastor Concil Nicen. 1. Oecum 1. Can. 16 Concil 2. Oecum Constantinop Can. 2. Concil Carthag 2 Can. 11. Concil Carthag 3. Can. 20. Concil Chalced. Oecum 4. Can. 13. Concil Nicen. 2. Can. 10. Concil Tribur Can. 28. Concil Nannet Cap. 1. 2. ¶ 2. We did not without reason say That you and others of your confederation enforce your interpretation of the Negative confession upon others seeing we hear that some Pastors and Prelates are forced to flee to forraigne countreys for fear of their lives because they have refused the said interpretation and those who have stayed in the countrey dare scarcely appear in the high wayes or streets and are threatned That their stipends shall not be payed unto them untill they subscribe your Covenant ¶ 3. Whereas you do in brotherly love exhort and entreat us to contribute our best endeavours for extinguishing the common combustion we praising God for your pious zeal and for the lovingnesse and modesty of your speeches wherein by Gods help we shall labour to keep correspondence with you that both we and you may shew our selves to have learned of Christ Meeknesse and lowlinesse of heart we most willingly promise to do so by all means which our consciences will permit us to use as also to joyn our most humble and hearty prayers with yours That it may please God in this dangerous exigent To do good in his good pleasure to our Sion and to build up the wals of our Ierusalem ¶ 4. We may justly say That this new Covenant is substantially different from the old which was made Anno 1581. in respect it not only containeth that old covenant or confession which was allowed by two generall assemblies but also your interpretation of it which as yet hath no such authority or approbation ¶ 5. No band of mutuall defence against all persons whatsoever is expressed in the Covenant made 1581. And although it were yet the case is very unlike For subjects may make such a Covenant of mutuall defence by armes with the consent of the King who only under God hath the power of armes or of the sword in this kingdome But they who made this late Covenant had not his consent as that former or old Covenant had which is a thing so evident that no man can call it in question ¶ 6. As for that which you affirm here That my Lord Commissioner his Grace was well satisfied with your declaration it becommeth not us to pry narrowly into his Graces doings but truly we have more than reason to pry most narrowly into the words of a Covenant which is offered unto us to be sworn and subscribed left we abuse and prophane the sacred name of God and tye our selves to the doing of any thing which is displeasing unto him Last of all whereas ye desire us to joyn our selves to you and to the rest of your confederacie who are as you affirm almost the whole Church and Kingdome Truly we cannot but reverence such a multitude of our reverend brethren and dear countrey-men and are ready to be followers of them in so far as they are followers of Christ But neither can we do any thing against the truth neither can we attribute so much authoritie to their multitude as otherwise we would in respect there hath been so much dealing for subscriptions in all quarters of this Kingdome and so many have been threatned to give their consent as we are most credibly informed THE II. DEMAND WHether or no we ought to subscribe the foresaid covenant seeing all covenants of mutuall defence by force of armes made amongst subjects of any degree upon whatsoever colour or pretence without the Kings Majestie or his Successours privitie and consent are expresly forbidden by King JAMES of blessed memorie and the three Estates of this Kingdome in the parliament holden at Linlithgow Anno. 1585 ANSVVER THe act of Parliament forbiddeth in the first part leagues and bands of maintenance privily made such as are called bands of Manrent as the act in Queen Maries time to which it hath relation doth bear And in the second part only such as tend to the publick disturbance of the peace of the Realme by moving sedition But no act of Parliament doth discharge nor can any just law forbid Conventions or Covenants in the generall or such Covenants in speciall as are made with God and amongst our selves not for any mans particular but for the common benefit of all not to move sedition but to perserve peace to prevent trouble which by all probability had been to many before this time too sensible if this course had not been taken Conventions and