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whether_o the_o book_n be_v forge_v or_o no_o and_o the_o story_n of_o justina_n true_a or_o false_a yet_o nazienzen_n approve_v the_o fact_n or_o practice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o answer_v that_o he_o tell_v we_o she_o betake_v herself_o to_o god_n for_o help_v and_o to_o christ_n that_o she_o strengthen_v herself_o with_o the_o example_n of_o susanna_n daniel_n etc._n etc._n then_o follow_v have_v consider_v these_o thing_n she_o also_o supplicate_v the_o virgin_n mary_n that_o she_o will_v help_v a_o virgin_n now_o in_o danger_n and_o so_o he_o leave_v the_o story_n neither_o commendig_fw-ge this_o practice_n nor_o reprove_v it_o we_o have_v see_v what_o testi_fw-la money_n the_o romanist_n allege_v out_o of_o the_o father_n and_o how_o faithful_o it_o be_v do_v especial_o by_o the_o cardinal_n one_o argument_n remain_v which_o all_o of_o they_o make_v from_o the_o success_n they_o find_v who_o apply_v themselves_o to_o the_o martyr_n whereby_o it_o be_v evident_a 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he_o believe_v to_o be_v in_o bliss_n hope_v that_o god_n will_v pardon_v the_o extravagance_n and_o as_o the_o same_o father_n insinuate_v god_n overlook_v and_o pardon_v the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o midwife_n not_o speak_v altogether_o according_a to_o truth_n pertinere_fw-la aug._n qu._n 12_o in_o exod._n non_fw-la potuit_fw-la ad_fw-la laudem_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la veniam_fw-la pertinere_fw-la and_o reward_v their_o good_a will_n exod._n 1.20_o their_o untruth_n can_v not_o deserve_v praise_n may_v obtain_v pardon_n so_o when_o the_o romanist_n urge_v the_o miracle_n which_o augustine_n send_v hither_o by_o greg._n the_o first_o be_v say_v to_o work_v as_o god_n witness_n to_o the_o truth_n of_o all_o the_o doctrine_n he_o bring_v from_o rome_n we_o say_v those_o miracle_n suppose_v they_o to_o be_v wrought_v be_v god_n witness_n to_o the_o catholic_n faith_n which_o austin_n preach_v and_o plant_v here_o not_o to_o all_o that_o he_o teach_v god_n in_o mercy_n overlook_v those_o 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one_o thing_n that_o we_o teach_v another_o thing_n which_o we_o bear_v with_o and_o we_o be_v compel_v to_o tolerate_v it_o till_o we_o can_v amend_v it_o therefore_o because_o we_o see_v much_o deflexion_n in_o the_o romish_a practice_n from_o the_o primitive_a verity_n when_o we_o have_v opportunity_n and_o power_n to_o amend_v it_o the_o thing_n st._n aug._n desire_v we_o do_v it_o and_o with_o good_a reason_n allow_v in_o this_o point_n what_o may_v consist_v with_o catholic_n doctrine_n such_o we_o count_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o wish_n of_o have_v benefit_n by_o those_o prayer_n which_o the_o saint_n above_o make_v for_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n militant_a and_o labour_a below_o yea_o such_o we_o may_v account_v the_o indirect_a invocation_n which_o beg_v of_o god_n that_o benefit_n or_o effect_v of_o those_o prayer_n but_o we_o can_v account_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o direct_a invocation_n to_o consist_v with_o catholic_n doctrine_n when_o it_o be_v make_v to_o saint_n and_o that_o by_o way_n of_o religious_a address_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n practise_v it_o in_o her_o office_n which_o practise_v none_o of_o the_o ancient_n know_v sect_n iii_o of_o image-worship_n how_o the_o romanist_n labour_n in_o this_o point_n to_o stand_v against_o scripture_n which_o so_o forcible_o encounter_v they_o antiquity_n romanist_n altogether_o forsake_v here_o of_o scripture_n and_o antiquity_n we_o see_v above_o chap._n iii_o and_o there_o be_v answer_v what_o they_o bring_v from_o ps_n 99.5_o to_o worship_v his_o footstool_n and_o the_o image_n of_o the_o cherubin_n upon_o the_o ark_n this_o be_v the_o best_a and_o only_o plea_n they_o can_v make_v from_o scripture_n yet_o so_o weak_a and_o ungrounded_a that_o their_o own_o author_n give_v it_o over_o as_o impertinent_a and_o raise_v upon_o a_o false_a supposal_n that_o the_o jewish_a church_n have_v any_o image_n for_o worship_n as_o abovesaid_a ch._n 3._o nu_fw-la 10._o now_o let_v we_o see_v how_o they_o strive_v to_o bear_v up_o against_o the_o universal_a consent_n of_o antiquity_n which_o with_o a_o strong_a current_n for_o 700_o year_n run_v contrary_a unto_o they_o our_o first_o evidence_n against_o this_o image-worship_n evidence_n the_o first_o evidence_n have_v there_o be_v any_o such_o thing_n among_o christian_n those_o ancient_a apologist_n and_o defender_n of_o christian_a religion_n against_o heathen_n justin_n clemens_n tertullian_n minutius_n lactantius_n arnobius_n eusebius_n will_v have_v mention_v it_o when_o they_o give_v account_n of_o the_o worship_n use_v in_o their_o assembly_n nay_o they_o can_v not_o have_v decline_v it_o when_o they_o set_v themselves_o to_o refute_v the_o heathen_a image-worship_n and_o therefore_o tertul._n laudem_fw-la tert._n apol._n c._n 12._o igitur_fw-la si_fw-la statuas_fw-la &_o imagine_v frigidas_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la suorum_fw-la simillimas_fw-la non_fw-la adoramus_fw-la quas_fw-la milvi_fw-la &_o araneae_fw-la intelligunt_fw-la nun_n laudem_fw-la in_o his_o apologetic_n profess_v and_o defend_v their_o not_o worship_v of_o image_n if_o therefore_o say_v he_o we_o do_v not_o worship_v statue_n and_o cold_a image_n like_v indeed_o to_o the_o dead_a who_o they_o represent_v and_o which_o bird_n and_o spider_n understand_v well_o enough_o it_o deserve_v praise_n rather_o than_o punishment_n see_v how_o he_o not_o only_o deny_v the_o worship_n but_o vilify_v they_o as_o unfit_a for_o worship_n cold_a and_o like_o the_o dead_a and_o that_o the_o bird_n understand_v they_o and_o therefore_o fear_v not_o to_o dung_n upon_o they_o minutius_n faelix_fw-la answer_v cecilius_n a_o heathen_a that_o object_v against_o the_o christian_n their_o have_a no_o temple_n no_o image_n give_v reason_n wherefore_o they_o have_v not_o or_o not_o use_v they_o in_o worship_n clemens_n alexandr_n as_o he_o deny_v the_o jewish_a church_n have_v any_o image_n to_o worship_n say_v 〈◊〉_d say_v clem._n storm_n 5._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d moses_n set_v no_o statue_n or_o figure_n in_o the_o temple_n to_o be_v worship_v so_o be_v he_o very_o severe_a against_o image_n among_o christian_n insomuch_o that_o he_o scarce_o allow_v the_o art_n of_o paint_v or_o of_o make_v image_n as_o we_o may_v see_v in_o his_o protreptic_a origen_n have_v to_o do_v with_o celsus_n about_o worship_n and_o invocation_n and_o to_o answer_v why_o the_o christian_n give_v it_o not_o to_o angel_n who_o they_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v minister_a spirit_n send_v of_o god_n as_o they_o the_o heathen_a give_v it_o to_o their_o daemon_n of_o which_o in_o the_o two_o former_a section_n but_o he_o be_v also_o put_v to_o satisfy_v celsus_n why_o the_o christian_n do_v not_o use_v image_n and_o for_o which_o he_o compare_v they_o to_o scythian_n &_o barbarian_n that_o have_v no_o temple_n and_o image_n because_o they_o know_v not_o what_o the_o god_n or_o hero_n be_v how_o do_v origen_n answer_v by_o say_n as_o a_o romanist_n
note_n be_v ch_z 5._o 8._o ch_n 6._o 10._o ch_n 8._o 3._o which_o we_o shall_v touch_v below_o but_o hear_v what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o next_o disputation_n postremo_fw-la disputation_n non_fw-la fuisse_fw-la morem_fw-la in_fw-la v._o tâ—â—adeundi_fw-la sanctos_fw-la intercessores_fw-la erat_fw-la etiam_fw-la olim_fw-la periculum_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la salm._n disp_n 8._o sect_n postremo_fw-la it_o be_v not_o their_o manner_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n to_o use_v the_o saint_n as_o intercessor_n the_o reason_n because_o they_o be_v not_o then_o glorify_v and_o because_o of_o old_a there_o be_v danger_n of_o idolatry_n mark_v the_o danger_n of_o the_o romish_a practice_n in_o religion_n and_o worship_n but_o be_v there_o not_o danger_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n he_o acknowledge_v it_o say_v it_o be_v not_o express_v but_o be_v leave_v to_o tradition_n secret_o to_o be_v deliver_v which_o he_o call_v ibid._n call_v tacitam_fw-la spiritus_fw-la suggestionem_fw-la ibid._n the_o silent_a suggestion_n of_o the_o spirit_n but_o why_o because_o pro_fw-la because_o quia_fw-la durum_fw-la erat_fw-la id_fw-la judaeis_n praecipere_fw-la &_o gentib_n daretur_fw-la occasio_fw-la putandi_fw-la multos_fw-la sibi_fw-la deos_fw-la exhibitos_fw-la pro_fw-la it_o be_v hard_a to_o command_v such_o a_o thing_n to_o the_o jew_n and_o it_o be_v likely_a to_o give_v occasion_n to_o the_o gentile_n of_o think_v that_o many_o god_n be_v put_v upon_o they_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o many_o god_n they_o have_v forsake_v and_o may_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n still_o be_v good_a against_o romish_a invocation_n and_o image-worship_n either_o to_o keep_v they_o out_o or_o cast_v they_o out_o of_o the_o church_n see_v they_o give_v such_o occasion_n of_o scandal_n to_o jew_n and_o infidel_n throughout_o the_o romish_a communion_n the_o cardinal_n be_v not_o so_o liberal_a with_o we_o dices_fw-la bel._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr beat_n sanct._n c._n 19_o non_fw-la consuetum_fw-la nec_fw-la ordinariè_fw-la cognoscere_fw-la preces_fw-la etc._n etc._n 20_o sect_n sed_fw-la dices_fw-la for_o he_o will_v confine_v it_o to_o the_o old_a testament_n acknowledge_v it_o be_v not_o the_o custom_n then_o to_o say_v holy_a abraham_n pray_v for_o we_o and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o they_o do_v not_o see_v god_n and_o can_v not_o ordinary_o i._n e._n without_o special_a revelation_n know_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n neither_o be_v the_o cardinal_n so_o ingenuous_a with_o we_o as_o be_v his_o fellow_n salmeron_n for_o albeit_o he_o give_v reason_n why_o prayer_n be_v not_o make_v to_o they_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n which_o reason_n be_v good_a against_o their_o invocation_n till_o our_o saviour_n ascension_n yet_o he_o bring_v place_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o a_o seem_a proof_n of_o it_o some_o of_o they_o indeed_o concern_v invocation_n of_o angel_n as_o that_o gen._n 48.16_o &_o job_n 5.1_o to_o which_o we_o brief_o answer_v 9_o answer_v chap._n ii_o nu_fw-la 9_o above_o and_o though_o the_o cardinal_n reason_n which_o exclude_v the_o saint_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n do_v not_o conclude_v against_o the_o angel_n which_o do_v see_v god_n face_n and_o as_o well_o hear_v and_o know_v what_o be_v say_v and_o do_v below_o on_o earth_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o after_o yet_o salmerons_n reason_n may_v prevail_v against_o invocation_n of_o they_o because_o of_o danger_n of_o idolatry_n then_o and_o it_o will_v have_v seem_v strange_a and_o hard_a to_o the_o jew_n and_o albeit_o they_o have_v cherubin_n in_o the_o picture_n yet_o not_o angel_n in_o their_o worship_n which_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o azor_n and_o vasquez_n and_o that_o out_o of_o several_a father_n clear_v the_o jewish_a church_n from_o worship_v of_o angel_n or_o image_n and_o something_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v say_v 10._o say_v chap._n iii_o nu_fw-la 10._o above_o now_o for_o the_o place_n out_o of_o the_o revelation_n invocation_n place_n of_o scripture_n allege_v for_o invocation_n which_o be_v the_o only_a text_n that_o have_v any_o semblance_n or_o pretence_n for_o invocate_a saint_n or_o angel_n they_o be_v mistake_v as_o apply_v to_o that_o purpose_n that_o text_n rev._n 5.8_o where_o the_o four_o live_a creature_n and_o the_o 24_o elder_n be_v set_v out_o as_o fall_v down_o before_o the_o lamb_n have_v harp_n and_o viol_n full_a of_o odour_n or_o incense_n which_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n here_o the_o romanist_n that_o will_v have_v these_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n to_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o prayer_n of_o man_n live_v offer_v up_o by_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n be_v mistake_v for_o the_o whole_a place_n be_v a_o representation_n of_o the_o church_n below_o offer_v up_o prayer_n to_o god_n by_o christ_n the_o lamb_n and_o those_o eucharistical_a or_o prayer_n of_o thanksgiving_n and_o praise_n chief_o for_o the_o victory_n of_o the_o lamb_n and_o redemption_n by_o christ_n as_o the_o next_o verse_n specify_v they_o thus_o viega_n understand_v they_o of_o the_o church_n below_o and_o he_o follow_v good_a author_n in_o it_o the_o next_o be_v rev._n 6.10_o how_o long_a o_o lord_n here_o also_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n of_o romanist_n make_v this_o a_o formal_a prayer_n of_o the_o martyr_n for_o revenge_n which_o stand_v not_o with_o that_o charity_n they_o have_v in_o so_o great_a a_o degree_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v but_o a_o figurative_a or_o emblematical_a representation_n of_o their_o soul_n lie_v under_o the_o altar_n and_o call_n for_o revenge_n only_o to_o show_v the_o certainty_n of_o that_o judgement_n and_o vengeance_n which_o god_n will_v in_o time_n bring_v upon_o the_o heathen_a persecutor_n for_o their_o blood_n as_o when_o abel_n blood_n be_v say_v to_o cry_v for_o vengeance_n and_o for_o the_o argument_n they_o make_v if_o the_o soul_n of_o martyr_n cry_v for_o vengeance_n upon_o their_o enemy_n therefore_o their_o charity_n much_o more_o prompt_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o god_n servant_n it_o fail_v first_o in_o the_o antecedent_n for_o they_o do_v not_o as_o we_o see_v make_v any_o formal_a prayer_n for_o vengeance_n and_o then_o it_o fail_v in_o the_o inference_n for_o it_o will_v only_o conclude_v that_o they_o do_v pray_v for_o the_o church_n militant_a which_o we_o grant_v not_o that_o they_o offer_v up_o prayer_n make_v to_o they_o which_o be_v the_o point_n in_o question_n the_o three_o text_n rev._n 8.3_o where_o another_o angel_n be_v say_v to_o stand_v by_o the_o altar_n have_v a_o golden_a censer_n and_o much_o incense_n be_v give_v to_o he_o that_o he_o may_v offer_v it_o with_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n a_o great_a mistake_n this_o and_o impious_a to_o make_v this_o the_o office_n of_o any_o create_a angel_n for_o the_o very_a text_n seem_v to_o imply_v that_o this_o be_v a_o special_a angel_n differ_v from_o the_o seven_o angel_n set_v out_o in_o the_o second_o verse_n as_o minister_a spirit_n and_o what_o 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catholicum_fw-la patris_fw-la sacerdotem_fw-la st._n john_n in_o the_o revel_n say_v that_o incense_n or_o the_o sweet_a odour_n be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o tertul._n upon_o that_o of_o our_o saviour_n to_o the_o leper_n cleanse_v show_v thyself_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o offer_v mat._n 8.4_o infer_v we_o must_v offer_v up_o all_o our_o prayer_n and_o thanksgiving_n by_o jesus_n christ_n the_o catholic_n or_o universal_a priest_n of_o the_o father_n no_o create_a angel_n can_v be_v such_o a_o catholic_n priest_n to_o offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n thus_o much_o for_o scripture_n to_o show_v how_o destitute_a they_o be_v of_o any_o real_a proof_n and_o therefore_o want_v the_o first_o and_o main_a ground_n of_o catholic_n faith_n and_o doctrine_n introduct_n sect._n 1._o in_o introduct_n according_a to_o vincentius_n his_o certain_a and_o safe_a rule_n at_o first_o mention_v now_o let_v we_o make_v a_o brief_a survey_n of_o antiquity_n and_o see_v