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A89827 An answer to the booke called The perfect Pharisee under monkish holinesse: wherein is layd open, who they are that oppose the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the Gospel, and the scripture practises, which the authors of that book would cast upon those they call Quakers, but are found to be themselves; who appear to be no ministers of the Gospel, but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the scripture, scorning them who live the life of the scriptures, or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit. Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men, who thereby goe about to deceive the simple, and keep them off from obedience to the truth. By one whom the world calls, James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing N261; Thomason E735_2; ESTC R206955 29,772 36

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act by a Power in the name of the Keepers of the Liberties of England c. when there is no such Persons Is the Government of this Nation but a fancy And is it not high treason to subver● them A. P. We honour the Power and not the Persons I answer God is no respecter of Persons and you that would take the honour from the power which is of God and would give it to mens persons would rob God of his honour and are enemies to the Faith of Christ who respects no ma●● person but saith How can you beleeve that seek honour one of another and would charge this to let in treason or disobedience to Authority I answer Where did ever any who did reverence the power which was of God doe any violence to the Person of any into whose hands God had committed it though they have been sent by the Lord faithfully to declare against the unjust practises of such Governors who have used their power contrary to the end for which God committed it into their hands but this you cast upon us to make us odions to the powers ●f the earth that they may take part with you in persecuting of us but we stand in the power of the Lord who will cleare our innocency and distinguish betweene them who honour and obey his power in the truth and them that have mens persons in admiration because of advantage for selfe ends for such admire the persons of men no longer then then serve for their own ends as it is apparant at this day To that you call the third Principle viz. That no Man must have the title of Master I answer Here as in other things you would bring the practice of men in the old Testament to disanull the expresse commands of Christ in the New and so would set the Old Covenant against the New and would bring Scriptures against Christ and here you shew your selves to be of the Serpents brood who have alwayes wrested the words of God against himselfe and to make voyd his commands and let all who feare the Lord judge if you be worthy to be called the Ministers of Christ who are not afraid to contend against his express● commands because it strikes at your pride and would make people beleeve that pride in you is not as much hated by Christ as it was in the Pharisees when you are sound in the same generation in the same pride and affecting to your selves the same Titles which they that are guided by the same spirit of Christ see and witnesse against in whomsoever it is now as was then Now for the fourth perticular which you call Charges against your selves and are so against all that are found in them viz. First That they love the high places of the Synagogues 2. That they weare long Robes 3. That they stand Praying in the Synagogues 4 That they Preach for hire To which I may ad● a great sort more which are the markes which Christ and his Apostles did give whereby to know the false Teachers then and cryed woe against them warning all to take h●ed of them in which practises whosoever are found now are witnessed against by the same spirit as was then as to lay heavy barthens upon the people to say and not to doe to be proud and covetous heady high-minded despisers of them that are good false accusars speaking evill of the things they know not having a Forme of godlinesse but denying the power thereof having hearts exercised with covetous practises that cannot cease from sinne that through covetousnesse make merchandize of the people who run greedily after the wayes of Bal●am who loved the wages of unrighteousnesse and in the way of Cain in envy who pretend to be sheep but raven and devoure like Wolves Now saith Christ and his Apostles such shall come but by their fruits yee shall know them and they that then were gu●ded by the eternall spirit of God did know them judge of them and warne of them by these fruits and though you now in who● these fruits are found would cast them upon your fore-fathers the Scribes and Pharisees thereby keeping people looking at that sin in them but hiding and covering it in your selves yet they that are guided by the same eternall spirit now see you to be in the same generation to bring forth the same fruits and doe judge you and warne of you now as they did then and it is no new thing for the deceipt to cry out of their fore-fathers for the same sins wherein they are found themselves as the Scribes and Pharisees builded the Sepulchres of the Prophets and cryed out of their Fathers for Killing them but being blinde could not see themselves worse then their fore-fathers who were consulting to slay the Heire so yee make a trade of crying out of the pride of the Pharisees and their being called Masters and their loving greeting in the Markets and the highest places and being hirelings and persecuting Christ and the Saints raysing lyes and seeking false witnesse against him stirring up the Rulers and the rude people thereby to take away his life because he witnessed against their ungodly practises and thus you make a trade of crying out against them b●t are found in the very same things by those who are guided by the same spirit yet being blinde you will not owne them in your selves but Christ hath left no other rule without as to know such but by their fruits Therefore let all who professe the name of Christ so judge that where these fruits are found not to cast them upon others in the generations past but to avoyd them now And saith the Apostle from such tur●e away And it is in vaine for you by your sub●ilty to wrest and twine the Scriptures to cleare your selves of these things when ye are found in them by the Lord and all who are guided by his spirit and in pleading for your hire ye say you freely cast your selves upon the Gospel-maintenance herein we witnesse against you Where in the Goshel had ever any a set maintenance Tythe or augmentation or by any agreement from the people or by any power of the Magistracy or by any suites at the Law or any other challange but freely but ye that goe upon any of these accompts or any other accompt but freely doe not cast your selves upon the Gospel maintenance neither doe all these Scriptures you alledge or the practice of the Apostles make any thing to warrant your way of maintenance but doe witnesse against you as is plaine to whomsoever doth looke with a single eye into the Apostles practises and into yours And whereas yee say We charge you with stealing the Word from your neighbours and this you would evade by Christ and the Apostles quoting the Scriptures which we doe not deny But which of all the true Prophets Christ or his Apostles did take the words that were spoken to another and adde to them their owne
thoughts but is a lye raysed up by the Father of lyes the Devill and vented by his servants to make the truth odious And the Lord God of truth before whom I stand judge between me and you in this thing for you are of that generation who say Come let us devise devises Ier. 18. 18. 20. 10. against him come let us smite him with the Tongue report say they and we will report it but the Lord will deliver his truth out of your hands And for William Baldwinson whom you father this untruth on I never had any private discourse with him nor ever was I in company where he was but once in Vnder●arrow where was the house full of people that I had never seen before and if he should affirme any such thing they of his owne Towne shall all witnesse against him but I stand to the witnesse of God Nor as it falls on my selfe should I have mentioned it but as it falls on the truth and may offend some weake ones who is more to me then all outward reputation in the World To your third That George Fox did affirme that he was the Iudre of the World And that one wrote from Carlile that called George Fox the Sonne of God I answer you here shew your selves to be ignorant of Christ spiritually borne up in you who is the Iudge of the world in whom he is which the Saints did witnesse as it is p●aine in the Scriptures Know you not that 1 Cor. 6. 2. 3. Saints shall Iudge the World Yea Angels and the spirituall man judgeth all things yet he himselfe is judged of no man Now you that have not this infallible spirit to judge with have nothing to doe to judge of the things of God but are carnall and naturall and judge with evill thoughts and call evill good and good evill for the naturall man receives not the things of the spirit of God and what you know naturally as bruite beasts therein you corrupt your selves and you that are offended that one shall witnesse the Sonne of God shew that you are ignorant of the New Birth which whosoever witnesses is the Sonne of God yea you are ignorant of the Scriptures which saith Behold with what manner of love the Father loved us that 1 Iohn 3. 1. 2. we should be called the Sons of God and we are Sons already and it doth not yet appeare what we shall be Now blush for shame that you should be Ministers of the letter and are ignoant of it and would slander them that owne it Now for your confused confutation of the lyes you have raysed against us I shall say nothing to them For that you call your second Position That there is no distinction of Persons in the God head This you say George Fox layes downe in Saul● errand to Damascus pag. 12. Now all may take notice if these men regard what they speake or write so that they can but make th● truth odious to others when they are not ashamed to Print so plaine an untruth that is so evident that all that ever read that page in Sauls errand may witnesse against them that the words they have set downe are not there but they have gathered them up in their inventions wherewith they imagine lyes against the innocent and to cast upon the truth neither have they any proofe for what they here accuse of For your third Position that ●h● soule is a part of the Divine Esse●ce And this you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 you had from Collonell Benson and Captain Ward W●●●●he sou●e is you know not who live in the fall and are v●●ne contenders and p●eaders for sin which keep● the soul● at a di●ance from God and while you are servants of sinne your soules are in death but the first man Adam was a living soule the second a quickning spirit and he that is joyned to the Lord is one ●pirit And this we witnesse and all witnesse it who are come up o●t of the fall but you who live in disobedience acting those things which Christ forbad knowes nothing of the living soule for you watch not for the good ●● soules for you seek for your gaine from your Quarter and ●●kes peoples money for that which is not Bread and all who fol●●● are unsatisfied but all you who hearken diligently to the voyce of the Lord their soules doe live and follow the Lord and are united to him and he that is not is against him For your fourth Position That Christ is in every man and in the reprobate he is held under corruption and this you say one of you received from Iames Nayler in conference with him wherein he extended the in-dwelling of Christ to Indians that never heard the Gospel I answer When will you cease to adde your lyes to slander withall That which I held forth was that Christ was the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world which William Col● denyed I bad him put out one amongst all that great multitude that durst deny it He said those were Christians and had heard the Gospel but Indians had not that light I told him he went far for a proofe but if an Indian were there he would witnesse against him But O thou full of all subtilty Did I say th●t Christ in the reprobates is held under corruption let all that was there be witnesse against thee Now that Christ enlightens every one that comes into the world is plaine Scripture and if Christ be not in the most vile in the world there to see the heart thoughts and intents how shall he judge every one according to their thoughts that come not forth into actions as well as according to what they doe must he then proceed as carnall Iudges doe either by proofe or confession and no further and must not he judge Indians as well as others and who shall tell him what is in their hearts and thoughts Here you shew your selves ignorant of that Christ who is spirituall and judgeth not after the outward appearance but is all and in all and are of the judgment of some others of you who say that Christ is in Heaven with a carnall body but here is your folly manifest to all the Children of light And whereas you accuse Iohn Audland for writing to Edward Br●ggs and telling him That he who once had been enlightned and departed out of it did crucifie Iesus Christ within him I answer Reade Hebrews 6. 4 6. and see if the Apostle speake not the same words saying That such crucifie the Lord of life afresh and put him to open shame And that it is such a haynous thing to you who knowes not Christ in you for any to say that Christ is in them Was it not Iesus of Naz●reth that Paul persecuted when he hayled the Saints to Prison Acts 9. 4. 5. and was not Christ in the Saints the hope of glory and all this after his Assention But you who