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A44834 An answer to a declaration put forth by the general consent of the people called Anabaptists in and about the city of London which declaration doth rather seem a begging of pardon of the Caveliers then [sic] a vindication of that truth and cause once contended for : I seeing so much wickedness ... / from a true lover and owner of the people called Quakers ... Richard Hubberthorn. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Answer to a declaration of the people called Anabaptists. 1659 (1659) Wing H3218; ESTC R16813 19,429 25

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Spiritual wickednesse and such as are not false Accusers of others but seeks the good of all men such will the Lord honour and exalt in his work and they shall perfect his praise So Friends You have been hasty to utter words before the Lord for which his Reproof justly comes upon you Therefore let your words be few and mind the fear of the Lord God which is the beginning of wisdom and that will slay your false fears from which unsavoury unsound words hath proceeded for your Religion is vain while your tongue is not bridled for it is better to be still and keep silence then to utter words from the line of Confusion that is stretched over you thereby to get a name in the Earth which Line all people walk in but those who are led by the Spirit of God to speak words that cannot be condemned for it is the Spirit of the Lord God and his Power which must slay the Enmitie in you which is the ground of your prejudice and hard Speeches against the Lambs of Christ which when that is slain within then those evil Fruits of the Lips will cease without and then the fountain of life will open in you which brings forth Fruits of another nature and when the Fruits of your Lips is Truth Rightteousness and Peace then will you have followship with the Father and the Son and with us who walk in his Light AND whereas to the said Declaration of the Baptists something was Written in Answer to part of it in short by another hand not knowing the one of the other but being found to be both of service as to return their wickednesse upon themselves it is thought meet that the same also be hereunto annexed And here is also something in Answer to some particular Positions drawn up by the Independants so called wherein their folly and weaknesse is also discovered and all may see what enmity lodges in the hearts of all men against the despised people called QUAKERS An Answer to a Declaration of the People called Anabaptists in and about the City of London wherein their weakness and ignorance is discovered under their own Hands to the City and Nation as hereby may appear FRiends Whereas your Declaration consisteth of Five Particulars four of which is not or so much concernment to me to Answer but as for one of them for the Nations sake and for the Truths sake and that you may be reproved even you the heads and Principal men of your congregations and because you are such under whose hands your Declaration passeth therefore in that consideration with many others this I return as an Answer to you and to the City and Nation in pursuit of yours that hath proceeded from a heart of Unbelief and unto evil and malicious intents against a despised People whom the Lord hath owned and will own though you and the whole world do reject them And whereas you say You are mis-represented to the Nation that you do countenance the People called Quakers in their Irregular Practice And to clear yourselves you say It is well known to all there are none more opposite to their Irregular Practises then we are say you nor are there any that they have exprest more contradiction to then against us though their provocation therein hath not put us on a desire say you of depriving them of their just Liberty while they live Morally honest and peaceable in the Nation c. Answ. Oh ye Heads and principal men and ye chief Pastors Elders and Members so called of Churches What have ye done and wherefore have you thus proceeded why have ye renounced an innocent People that never did you harm nor ever gave any offence unto you saving in crying against the deadnesse of your forms and traditions and seeming Religious practises and reproving evil in you Alas for you ye accounted wise men do you judge an advantage will be unto your selves in this thing Or do you think to work a disadvantage unto us by your Renouncing and denial of us I must tell you we are not troubled hereat for our own sakes neither is any part of our hope or confidence concerning you made void for we never looked upon some of you to be otherwise then our enemies in your hearts Oh ye Hipocrites whom God will judge because of your hypocrisie who now so much as in you lies if it were in your power you would leave us to the mercilesness of cruel men you would save your selves and leave us to the mercy of the Devil but though you renounce us yet the Lord hath owned us and will own us to your grief and what are you become our accusers are you become chargers of us with irregular practise are you endeavouring to make us more odious in the eyes of wicked men then we are for righteousness sake but wherefore have ye done this Is it to save your selves from reproaches Have you therefore reproached us and have you sought to make us vile that your selves might appear free and have you thought to gain the favour of the wicked to make a peace with your Enemies by reviling of us unto them Is this your end O ye Dissemblers to reproach us to the Nation and City behind our backs You Church Members so called and Teachers and Pastors and Principal men that would save your selves and gratifie the Devil and joyn in union with the wicked and make your selves friends with them by slandering and renouncing the peaceable people who are more so then your selves and none of them guilty of ●rregularitie as much as some of you though you would fawn upon the Nation and City by renouncing of us as if we were irregular and so and so But do you think the Nation and City have not taken notice or however hereby they may What if I say unto them and you that none of the Quakers ever were so instrumental by illegal opposition for the turning out of Parliaments and changing the Government of this Nation into confusion like as some of you Anabaptists have been and this the City and Nation may take notice of the irregularitie of some of your selves who have been instrumental even by illegal Opposition and perfect Tyrannie in mens account and Treacherie also to the turning out Parliaments and thereby wronging the Nation for their own advantages so that the practise of some of you hath been more unlawful and con●●●rie to Law then ours hath been and the City and Nation may take notice of it as your Declaration is to them so is this my Answer never any Quaker so called in War-like posture hath stood in Defiance and been instruments to turn out peoples lawful Representatives Did not some of your brethren even of the Anabaptists take Commission from the late Parliament and no lesse then vowing Fidelity to them and yet presently rising in opposition to them and turning them out of Doors and was not this treachery and hypocrisie and irregularitie And
will not have any Person Tolerated that worships a false god what must be done with their Persons But what difference is there in the Ground or Cause of Toleration between those that Worship a false god or they which Worship the true God in a false way and if the Persons of neither of those should be Tolerated then the Toleration would but reach a little Compasse But who must be Judge of that Blasphemie Contempt or Reproach spoken against the Lord Jesus Christ Was it not Blasphemie in the Apostles dayes for one to say he was a Jew and was not Revelations 2. verse 9. And is it not as great Blasphemy now to say that he is a Christian or a Believer that is not And must not any person be tolerated that speak such works And must not such a Person be tolerated that denies the Scriptures to be the Word of God then it appears they must not be tolerated that faith in the beginning was the Word as John 1.4 Nor that say that Christ is the Word and that the Scriptures are they which testifieth of him as Joh. 5. And if we search out your toleration to the bottom it will be reduced into this compasse That none shall be tolerated but those that say as you say and professe what you professe and you among your selves are as a Kingdom divided that cannot stand and you are not they which are fit to Rule in the Nation to prescribe Liberty nor give Toleration but if you had been of Christs Spirit you would have professed Toleration and not destruction unto all Persons in matters of Religion and then they that have the Gospel of Christ may minister it freely among those that worship a false god and among those that worship the true God ignorantly and minister it among the Papists Episcopal Presbyterie Heathens Turks and Pagans which are all out of the way and so to convince the gain-sayers so that all the wicked impositions cruelty Persecution and killing one another about Religion would cease and then the Gospel of Peace which is the power of God would Rule over deceit and Truth and Righteousness would increase and spread over the Nations but you have appeared to be of a Spirit of Confusion and Contradiction for when you have spoken against Tolerating the Persons before mentioned Yet you say in Contradiction to it you are not against Tolerating Episcopacie Presbyterie or any stinted Form provided they do not Compel any others to a Compliance therewith or Conformitie thereunto c. Now consider and let even your own foolishness correct you Is not the Papists which ye have excepted against a stinted Form And are not those that worship a false god a stinted Form And are not the Sadduces that deny that there is either God Christ Angel Resurrection or Spirit a stinted Form And is not the Jewes a stinted Form although they speak contempteously of the Lord Jesus Christ which before you have said you will not Tolerate their Persons because they speak contempteously of the Lord Jesus Christ and now you say you will Tolerate because they are a stinted Form How must the Jewes be Converted who have spoken contempteously and reproachfully of the Lord Jesus Christ calling him a Deceiver a Blasphemer and that he ●ad a Devil seeing you will not Tolerate their Persons until they be Converted And how shall the Heathens that worship false gods be Converted seeing their Persons must not be Tolerated And what must be done with those many hundreds of Congregations in England which worship God in the Spirit and yet do deny the Scriptures as Words and Writings of the Old and New Testament to be the Word of God but do confesse them to be a Testimony of the word and of him who is the Beginning and End of the Words in whom and by whom they all come to be fulfilled to the Saints What must their Persons be done with seeing they must not be Tolerated But you may say That those things was spoken in your haste or at least in your fear whereby you were surprized in the Vproar of the rude Boyes and Apprentices of London but a little fear entering into the Hypocrisie doth try your Spirits and cause you to bring forth the intents of your hearts as in your Paper is manifest To the Last you say Forasmuch as we are Charged to Murder and Destroy those that Differ from us in matters of RELIGION We do not only abhor and detest it as a cursed practice but we hope have approved our selves both in this City and the Nation to the contrary notwithstanding the great provocation of some who have endeavoured our Ruine For that we desire is just liberty to men as men that every man may be preserved in his own just rights and that Christians may be preserved as Christians though of different Apprehensions in some things of Religion in the prosecution whereof our lives shall not be dear unto us when we are thereunto lawfully called The Designs of our Adversaries in these Calumnies are to mis-represent us to some People fearing God and also to incense the rude Multitude against us purposely to provoke them if possible to destroy us Answ. In what you have before expressed you have more given then taken away the occasion of this Charge against you by your instancing the not Tolerating of such persons before mentioned for if you did as you say desire the just Liberty of men as men then every man without respect to Apprehensions Perswasions or Worships as a man and person should be Tolerated that those who are Christians might inform them of the true God when they worship false gods and hereby you give great occasion unto those that seek occasion from you when you with a general Consent cry against Tolerating the Persons of so many sorts of People about Differing from you in Religion and as for some of them whom ye would accuse as Irregular many by experience can witnesse That neither Weapon nor Tongue formed against them can prosper and the time may come when you may be glad to be upholden with a little of their strength and not to Reject those whom God hath doth and will own for his People in the middest of their Enemies for God hath made them even as Eyes to behold the Spirits of men and the Changings of their wayes and to give them a Reproof in due season when they darken wisdom and confound their matter by words without knowledge in false fears and haste when they are out of Patience and out of Faith in God as the Baptists here have done and the fearful and unbelieving cannot accomplish the Righteousnes of God neither will he bring forth his intended Work by them but such as are of a true Spirit that looks onely at the Glory of God and setting up of his truth who are come to the spiritual weapons doth not wrestle with flesh and blood but with the powers of darkness and with