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A43227 A plain account of certain Christian experiences, labours, services and sufferings, of that ancient servant and minister of Christ, Roger Hebden, deceased containing both warning, consolation, and instruction in righteousness. Hebden, Roger, 1620 or 21-1695. 1700 (1700) Wing H1346A; ESTC R15158 54,976 136

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shall come to sit Judge in thee thou shalt then be made to confess that these thy words are vain Boasting and that his Merits and Mercies thou art ignorant of nor never canst know until thou return to be guided by that which checks thee in secret for the Evil of thy Doings and whatsoever thou dost not therewith being guided it is Self-Righteousness and of the Devil and so art guided by the Fancies of thy own vain Mind For that Mind is vain that leads the Creature into Vanities Now consider if it be not so with thee that such things as thou didst see a Vanity in thou art returned back to do those things again Therefore let Shame stop thy Mouth for accusing others of what thou art guilty of thy self And for the Rash Judgment thou speakest of casting upon our fellow Creatures which are the Workmanship of God's Hands as well as we who lives in the height of Conceits above all the People in the World Hence I do declare thee from whence this is to be a false Accuser for the Judgment is not past upon the Creature as it is the Workmanship of God's Hands but chiefly upon the wicked One in the Creature and only upon the Creature as subject to him which is the Enemy of God And saying We live in Conceits That is thy own Condition as will be made manifest and thou may'st as well condemn them who said That they knew that they were of God and that the whole World lay in Wickedness And no other Light do we speak of to be guided by but that Light wherewith Christ Jesus hath enlightned every one that cometh into the World which Light thou say'st is the Conceits of our own Minds And here I charge thee in the Presence of the Living God to be an Evil Speaker of that Light which comes from his dear Son saying It is the Conceits of our own Minds So I charge thee to make it appear that thou didst hear any of us ever speak of any Light to be guided by but the Light of Jesus Christ in the Conscience and if thou canst not then let Fear take hold upon thee and Shame smite thee in thy Face to say That Light is the Conceit of our own Minds that carries us on in the Work But the Grace of God and his Mercies thou sayest are above all our rash Judgment and Conceit I answer The Grace of God and his Mercies thou hast turned into Lasciviousness and out of a vain light Mind thou speakest of Blessing and Praising his most Holy Name and says in thy Conceits That he will sit as Judge him self to confound the Conceits and rash Judgments and Imaginations of high Aspiring Spirits of boasting Men of which Spirit and Mind Quakers are of thou sayest and so in Scorn writest Adieu Quakers How couldst thou get this written and not be condemed in thy Conscience that it was in Scorn Nay consider let the Search pass through and a Wirness shall speak in thee for me That these words were in Scorn written And although thou sayest God himself will sit Judge to confound the Conceits and rash Judgments and Imaginations of high Aspiring Spirits of boasting Men of which Spirit and Mind Quakers are of here consider what thou hast said That God should sit but thou art Exalted as if got into his Seat to judge not with his Spirit but with Scornful Mind speaks of that Condition which his People Witnessed and he Commanded And here thou shews to all that have any Understanding or Eyes to see That thou hast no Bridle to thy Tongue and so thy Religion is in vain Then thou asks out of a vain Mind What Rule we have in Scripture for our high Conceits of our selves Here Ishmael makes himself manifest in thee And further says If we imitate our formed Weekly Meetings from the Apostles and Disciples we Err for they lived in the Truth and we live in the Conceits of Mind I answer meer Imitation without the Spirit we deny But this is known that who are guided by the same Spirit that the Apostles were it will bring them to follow their good Example And did they not meet Weekly Deny it if thou canst And whereas thou sayedst They lived in the Truth and we in the Conceits of Mind Here again I charge thee that so speaks to be a false Accuser And thou sayest God is Judge of the whole World Himself Whereas he Judgeth by his Son and Saints For do not the Scriptures say That the Father Judgeth no Man but hath committed all Judgment to the Son John 5.22 and in the 27th verse And hath given him authority to execute Judgment also because he is the Son of Man And in the Epistle of Jude 14 and 15 verses Behold the Lord cometh with Ten Thousands of his Saints to execute Judgment upon all c. But thou shewest thy self to be an Opposer of Christ and it is true and nor rash Judgment to say so of thee who art found in the Enmity And it is not for us to work before the Eternal Creator of Heaven and Earth doth work in us but his Acting in the Creature is a Mystery to thy carnal Mind and thou art not Judged before the time and this Judgment wherewith the wicked One in thee and others is judged shall not Condemn us for That of God in your Consciences shall witness it to be true and Condemn all for you who live in the Filth of the Flesh and Conformity to the World Acting contrary to what you are Convinced of for Self-Ends and Fear of Man And further thou proceed'st and say The turning of the Mind what way we will that we call the Word of the Lord Thou false Accuser and evil Speaker of the things thou dost not understand how long wilt thou suffer the envious One to rule in thee and to speak Evil of that thou understandest nor If thou knowest the Word of the Lord which is as a Fire shut up in the Bones Jer. 20.9 and how it comes thou wilt know that it is not in our power to turn it what way we will Therefore make out what thou sayest otherwise thy Mouth being stopped own thy Condemnation upon thy false Accusation Thou sayest The Word came by Revelation but how it comes thou knowest not neither canst thou say in the Presence of the Lord and not Lie That the Lord ever spoke one Word unto thee for to declare abroad and yet wilt be Judging of others Then thou further proceeds for to bid John Brown Let high Aspiring Thoughts and Conceits depart and let Brotherly Love be placed in his Heart and Tenderness and Pity possess his Soul This I know that Tenderness and Pity doth possess his Soul and in his Heart he doth love them that are Brethren in Christ Jesus But to the Deceit that rules in thee and others which would have fair and pleasant Words those who are guided by the Spirit of Christ cannot speak Peace
on the contrary when the Mind of God is clearly seen in it and nothing of felt at all to be seen upon the Examination as afore then be Faithful This is not to hinder any Commands for being obeyed that is of God he is my Witness but to prevent forwardness and rashness which must be repented of and I am moved to write this unto you to put you into a search in your selves that you may know from whence all your Obediences and Performances do arise and who it is that doth require them of you Thus in love to your Souls I have cleared my Conscience in what hath been shown me of a forward Spirit that way which hath carryed forth many in Zeal to speak and act beyond their knowledge Written by Roger Hebden For Friends to Truth in Malton and else-where ALL in that which is pure the measure of Grace received dwell every one in the particular that a growth in the Vine you may come to Witness from whence the knitting and uniting of Hearts comes yea the Sap springs up whereby the tender Plants Grow Blossom and bring forth Fruit to the Praise of the Planter and the Comfort of each other herein is your heavenly Father Glorified that you bring forth much Fruit. Now there is no need to write unto you what Fruit it is that Glorifies God but I exhort you all in Love running forth to you who are dear unto me that you every one in particular see by that which is pure of God in every of you let it be viewed whether your Fruit be such yea or nay for by the Fruit of Holiness God is glorified the Enemies of Truth their Mouths stopped and you are brought and knit together into the Unity of the one Spirit of God from whence all good Fruits grow in which being knit as one and growing in the same the contrary Spirit with it's Fruits will be cut down yea a shame will arise at the remembrance thereof yea even loathing thereof which is the Desire and Prayer of your dear Brother for you Roger Hebden Written and sent as aforesaid from York-Castle the 20th of the first Month 1655. Now all of you to whose hands this shall come do not look upon it in Scorn and take it ill and hastily thereupon Reply as it is usual with the People of the World when they are spoken to hereof What do you tell us What will the wicked Ones of the World say of Knowing or Fearing or Serving God We hope will they say that we Know Fear and Serve God as well as the best of you all Therefore in love to your Souls I exhort you all to consider with your selves whence have you this to wit the Knowledge of God which brings into his Fear with which he is served as is required Psalm 2.11 Serve the Lord with Fear Who taught you it Have you it any otherways than from looking upon things without you from Hearsay or from the outward Declaration of Scripture or looking upon your selves and the rest of the Creation And from thence conclude That there must be of necessity something above or over all these things that are to be seen from whence they had a Beginning and have a Continuance as also by Hearsay from Man and the outward Declaration of Scripture that declares of him from whence all these things were and are that he is God But what do you know of him By this you may say knowing that he made all things he is to be Served and Worshipped by his Creatures And you may say That you Serve him and Worship him according as you have been taught and ought all this may be granted and yet you all this while Strangers to God yea such as know him not Thus it was with the Children of Israel whom the Lord complains of by his Prophet Isaiah 1.3 The Ox knoweth his Owner and the Ass his Master's Crib but Israel doth not know my People doth not consider This People was not wanting to perform outward Sacrifices and Services as is mentioned in the 11 12 13 14 15. Verses of this first Chapter of Isaiah but the Lord asks them To what purpose is the multitude of your Sacrifices unto me saith the Lord I am full of the Burntt Offerings of Rams and the Fat of fed Beasts And I delight not in the Blood of Bullocks or of Lambs or of he-Goats when you come to appear before me Who hath required this at your hands to tread my Courts Bring no more vain Oblations Incense is an Abomination unto me The New Moons and Sabbaths the calling of Assimblies I cannot away with it is Iniguity even the Solemn Meeting your new Moons and your appointed Feasts my Soul hateth they are a trouble unto me I am weary to bear them And when you spread forth your hands I will hide mine Eyes from you yea when you make many Prayers I will not hear your hands are full of Blood Now although these were such Services as they might have said That the Lord did require of them yet there was another thing that the Lord required of them without which these were not acceptable as in Jer. 7.22 23. For saith the Lord I spake not to your Fathers nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the Land of Egypt concerning Burnt Offerings and Sacrifices But this thing commanded I them saying Obey my Voice and I will be your God and you shall be my People c. And in the next verse it is said But they hearkened not They might say That they did his outward Commands as these did which he complained of by his Prophet Isaiah before mentioned which knew not God nor did consider him although he had as in the first of Isaiah and 2 d verse where it is written I have nourished and brought up Children and they have rebelled against me For Whoso knows and loves him will keep his Commandments this was and is the Sign and Token of such as know God 1 John 2 3 4. And hereby we know that we know him if we keep his Commandments he that saith I know him and keepeth not his Commandments is a Lyar Now the Kingdom of God stands not in outward Sacrifices and Observances but first comes inward and there makes known what is to be done without as Christ declares The Kingdom of God comes not with outward Observations neither shall they say Lo here or lo there for behold the Kingdom of God is within you Luke 17.20 21. And as the Prophet Jeremiah said the thing which the Lord did require of them was to Obey his Voice which if it had been only his outward Commands they might have pleaded with him that these they had done which the Lord by the Prophet asks them what purpose they were to and tells them that although they did these things yet his Soul loathed them But the things that he expected from them and required of them was these in the Verses
will follow when the Lord comes to lay open their Nakedness and clear our Innocency in these things as he hath done for me which Work hasteth greatly Praises Eternal be to him alone who hath let me see by the Light werewith Christ hat enlightned me Who is the true Light which enlightneth every one that cometh into the World John 1.9 As the Lord by the Prophet Jeremiah saith Jer. 7.22 23. I spake not unto your Fashers nor commanded them in the Day that I brought them our of the Land of Egypt concerning Burnt Offerings and Sacrifices but this one thing commanded I them saying Obey my Voice and I will be your God and ye shall be my People c. And when Jesus Chrift was upon Earth and spoke unto his Disciples and told them what they must do to come after him he did not tell them That they must Sing David's Condition either themselves or others or Baptize little Children or Infants with Water or take a Text or place of Scripture of another's Condition and add to it their own Inventions But these things said he unto them Whosoever will come after me must deny himself and take up his Cross daily and follow me Luke 9.23 And in obedience to his Commands we deny our selves and take up the Cross daily that accompanies the same whereby we are by him Baptized into that one Body whereof he is Head and we being many do eat of one Bread and drink of one Cup not Carnal but Spiritual where true Communion and Fellowship lies hid from the World wherein we are altogether of one Spirit and of one Mind even of the same Mind that was in Christ Jesus according to the Apostle's Exhortation Phil. 2.5.1 Pet. 4.1 And rejoycing in the same Spirit Praises to our God for ever And we Sing with the Spirit and with the Understanding also I Cor. 14.15 And with the same we Pray But it is not so with the World's Teachers who have their Form or those who are accounted the best of them that fetch in of the Saints Words but dare not however cannot truly say That they are given them by the Spirit of God and their Singing is the like not from the Spirit of God but taking David's words by which he declared the several Conditions that he was was in and these they put into the Peoples Mounths which they do not understand and these they Sing without understanding and so instead of glorifying of God they dishouour him and this is one of the Practices used in their Church as they call it which is without in the World but the true Church is in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ as in 1 Thess 1.1 Now these words that they Sing are true as they were spoken from David who said That he watered his Couch with his Tears but it is not so with many And the will Sing his words who could truly say That he was not puft up in Mind and had no scornsul Eye whenas too many are puft up in Mind and have scornful Eyes and the like Thus the Leaders of the People their Priests in most places put such words into the Peoples Mounths causing them to Err and make them Hypocrites in saying They are as it is not with them and so by and in them is fulfilled that Scripture Isa 9.16 17. But if any shall say Doth not the Apostle Jomes 5.13 Exhort Is any Merry Let him sing Psalms Yea and so it is with the redeemed Ones of the Lord his Ransomed witness that Prophecy fulifilled Isa 35.10 and such come to find in themselves according to the Apostle's Exhortation being filled with the Spirit Eph. 5.18 19 20. speaking unto themselves in Psalms and Hymns and Spiritual Songs Singing and making Melody in their Hearts unto the Lord giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ This is to be with the Heart it is not so with the World I know it when they are Offering up their Scarifices both of Prayers and Praises they with their Mouths and Lips may be pretending to Serve God whenas their Hearts may be in another place far from Him according to Scripture Isa 29.13 And after they have been Blessing God and Singing to his Praise as they pretend How often in the same Mouth is Cursing Which thing ought not to be James 3.9 10. Thus the Leaders of the People by putting the Name of God in the Mouths of People who are not in his Fear they speak it without understanding and so take it in Vain whom the Lord will not hold guiltess And as they have no Scripture for this their Practice to Sing David's Condition neither have they and for Sprinkling or Baptizing as they all it little Children Infants with Water nor any Command from Christ in Scripture to do that to any for those who are got up in Imitation of the Letter from John's Baptizing in Jordan those that confessed their Sins Mat. 3.6 or of his Baptism yet he said There was one to come after him which was preferred before him John 1.15 30. which was to Baptize with the Holy Ghost and with Fire Mat. 3.11 And that he must Decrease but Christ must Increase John 3.30 This of Christ's being the true Baptism that was to encrease The Apostle speaks but of One Baptism in Eph. 4.5 and by One Spirit not by any Outward Sprinkling or Dipping into Water that the Saints were Baptized into One Body 1 Cor. 12.13 This Outward with Water is not the Baptism that is to Save us whereof that of Noah's being saved in the Ark was a Figure but the answer of a good Conscience towards God by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ according to 1 Pet. 3.20 21. Many may come to the outward Baptism to have the filth of the Flesh put off but want the answer of a good Conscience towards God by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ This I having a sight of was through the Love of God towards me a means to keep me back from going into those other Forms in the World that differed from the publick Profession that was in this Nation I being let see that I might get into them and no change in my Life wrought And these Cries were often in mine Ears Born again a new Creature which Condition is now witnessed Praises to our God for ever by those who come to witness that Baptism of the Spirit spoken of in Scripture whereby they come to be Buried with him by Baptism into Death Rom 6.3 4. And to be made partakers of his Sufferings wherein is Rejoycing 1 Pet. 4.13 But this is not known by Water-Baptism but by the Obeying of the Spirit of our God And as the World's Baptism is without with Water so is their Communion without in Bread and Wine which they call a Sacrament For which as now used by them they have no Command from Christ nor any such Name given in Scripture