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A76759 A rejoinder consisting of two parts, the first entituled, The ballance, or, A vindication of the proceedings and judgement of Parliament and their ministers, in the cases of William (called lord) Craven, Christopher Love. : From the scandalous allegations and ironical reflections of Ralph Farmer ... in a late infamous libel of his, named, The imposter dethron'd, etc. ... Wherein the Commonwealth's case as to the one is briefly stated, and the treasons of the other are rehearsed as a looking-glass for the priests, and an awakening to England. : The second, Evil scattered from the throne, and the wheel brought over the wicked: in an examination of that part of The imposter dethron'd as is in way of reply to The throne of truth exalted, etc. Bishop, George, d. 1668. 1658 (1658) Wing B3004A; ESTC R170664 67,249 93

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undertake to lead people the right way to salvation the ground of whose Ministry is no other then according to practice to speak from the Scriptures We pretend to no other we preend not to infallibility saith R. F. in which Satan pag. 34. are found the Devils and false Prophets and the certainty of whose speaking according to the spirit is no other then their speaking according to the Scriptures whose dictates he saith they are of which they are no more sure then were the false prophets and devils aforesaid who spake the words of Scripture and from the Scriptures and according to the words of the Scriptures and yet were reproved by Christ and his Prophets and Apostles for so speaking for it is not the words that are said nor the actions that are done but the nature in which they are said and done and from whence they proceed that renders them good and accepted before the Lord and there are but two natures the Divine and that which is in the transgression but two principles the one of life the other of death as is the root of either so is that which proceedeth from it and he that ministers can minister no other then that principle from which he ministers nor to any other then to that which is of the same principle whether of death or of life And as for the Scriptures they are for the Man of God to be read to be believed to be fulfilled to be practised they are the things of God not to be made a trade of for so much a year or to be talked or spoken of from or by the wisdom of this world no not in the words which mans wisdom but which the Holy Ghost teacheth Here his lips are covered Many horrible blasphemies I charged him with against the Father Son and Holy Ghost Many notorious lyes slanders and false accusations many filthy scoffs and profane jeers yea of the spirit many grosse absurdities confusions and contradictions line against line page against page one part of his Book against the other slaying and confounding one another and he them and they the end and drift of his work of which he is silent The justification of the Doctrine and Principles of the people called Quakers and of Geo. Fox from his foul calumnies and aspersions he hath not inform'd nor hath he endeavoured to quit himself of the instances of blood-thirstiness charged by me on him and his Generation nor of the assertion viz. The dog it is that bites the Lamb doth never Nor hath he said a word of the great Tumult and Sedition of which I charged him to be the chief stirrer up and principal mover nor of many things more in all which should I be particular time would fail me being the contents of the greatest part of my answer and with what jugling lying and sophistication he hath replyed to the rest and how little to the purpose I shall dissect and plainly make manifest Now when as Reason would that of these things aforesaid and the residue of my answer he should have cleared himself or have been silent and so to have done had been somewhat becoming the seriousness of man instead thereof as one forlorn and desparate h● falls violently on my person pouring forth at it the evil treasures not only of his own but the venemous hearts of those generations of whom and their Treasons he appeares a Patron and Advocate who are and he with them become mine Enemies for having been instrumental in the discharge of my Trust to the detecting and preventing their secret plots and bloody conspiracies against the Common-wealth and Treasonable Adherencies to the chief and declared Enemies thereof in the day of its general designment and greatest conflicts not considering that amongst wise men Recrimination is alwayes accounted an indicament of a bad cause and instead of making good a general charge particularly to asperse and personally to reflect is a very foule blemish And here having gained the Cause I might withdraw my Pen and sit down in silence till R. F. shall have quitted himself an honest man in print and have taken off what is laid by me on him in that my Answer it being reasonable that he whose honesty as to a Narrator I have so highly impeach'd whose Narrative in the material parts thereof I have so fully answered whose Ministry and Religion I have so manifestly overturned whose share in Christianity himself hath so openly renounc't should so do before he gain credit unto what he hath now wrote or receive from me thereunto a Reply But forasmuch as the level of his and the poysoned Arrows of the generation aforesaid who shoot under his cover is laid at my Reputation as to matter of Fact and for that his and their entrance unto me is made thorough the Authority of Parliament their High Court of justice and the Cause of the Nation for which all the blood hath been spilt in the late Wars and in regard the Parliament as is said have appointed to hear the Case of him whose Cause is the principal pleading of this Impostor at their next Sessions And because after all the vomitings up of his venemous filth he saith in his last page And now from he●ceforth let none of these Quakers trouble me I have done with this gen●ration but if they will be troubling let them know that I will not be troubled And as for any further Answers R●plyes Contendings or Debatings with them or him I declare this as my Goronis my farewell to quakerism And so I may stay a long day e're I appear for clearing of my Innocency and the justice of the State Therefore I shall waving in this place all other particulars immediately descend to engage him and his Confederates in his and their Two great Battalions the sum and end of his Work and the strength of his mischief viz. The case of William L. Craven Christopher Love in reference to My Selfe * I mention myself first because I am accused it being convenient that I clear my own innocency before I appeare in the vindication of others The State To the first viz. Cravens Case Ralph Farmer in his Sathan Enthron'd having vilely traduc'd me in the business of this man I judg'd it necessary for the satisfaction of all such as neither desired nor delighted in the defamings of others to declare my innocency therein which I then did and do again in these words I do Throne p. 102. declare in the presence of the Lord before whom I fear who searcheth the heart and tryeth the reins and bringeth every work to judgement That I am clear and innocent therein nor have I used nor do I know of any indirect proceeding in that whole business of Craven and Fauconer At this my declaration he raves exceedingly and is greatly moved singling it out in the front and discharging against it the wrath and fury of the invenom'd body of that his Reply well knowing that if that stand
which he never said I supposing he would be so meale-mouth'd as not to read it or to put his hand to my Forgery without any more a-do but that he did to my shame make me blot out at least six lines in his Examination which was but very short and that some of the Committee did ingenuously say sometimes That he did not speak such Words as I had put in and that he did refuse to put his hand to it seeing he was abused by me but told them if they would give him a copy of it he would subscribe his hand but that they denied him a copy which made him to suspect they did not intend to deal fairly with him as he found true after And then goes on to shew wherein sayes this Lyar but gives no instance yet saith and that to their conviction concludes thence thus Wherefore I beseech the Reader not to believe any thing that shall come forth either pretended to be my Examination or the Examinations of other men against me they are but the Forgeries and Contrivances of Mr. S. and Capt. Bishop pag. 113. And further That the Examinations of the Witnesses were taken from them in private and patched together by Mr. S. and Capt. Bishop That they were not ashamed to produce them and read them in open * And why not in open Court the Witnesses desiring it and referring therunto the particulars being many lon● and the Court allowing it Court That some of the Witnesses had so much † Capt. Potter being the first Witness produced bogled at what he had wrote and signed and se●t from the Tower but upon his arraignment pleaded guilty to it all what honesty he had left that so did let wise men judge honesty left as to disavow them in open Court and therefore sayes he again believe nothing but what was sworn in open Court nor all that neither for some of the Witnesses swore falsly as he saith he made * He being as I remember touched with the words concerning the Commission Come come let it go fl●w out in a rage and said That he was against the going of it or words to that effect Whereby he discovered himself to be in the principal part of the design of which himselfe professed and others would account him innocent appear in his Defence pag. 110. And that because he was belyed about his Examination before the Committee and may be more abused after he is dead therefore he was necessitated to discover that jugling and basenesse of Mr. S. and me about his Examination which he thought as it saith never to have made publike pag. 112. And thus this Lyar brings all this in Among all these lyes thus generally hinted I have reserved one in special wherein Mr. Love chargeth him not onely with lying but also with forgery pag. 112. And concludes And well might Mr Love think how this Bishop injur'd other men and that in the like ●ind pag. 112. Vind. Christopher Love being apprehended by vertue of a Warrant from the Council of State for High Treason and being brought before the Committee to be examined before any question was demanded of him as to the cause of his apprehension assigned in the Warrant he voluntarily made such a deep and general profession of his innocency as to the Treasons which afterwards were charged upon and proved in Court against him and in part by himself confest that the Committee were at a stand how to ask such an innocent professor any question of guilt and so unto him they declared Whereupon he supposing it's like that he and his actions were hid from them and lay in the dark gathered spirit and said in these or words to this effect Gentlemen I look upon you as honourable persons ask me any question in particular and I will ingenuously answer you as I have made a general profession Hereupon I put to him as from the Committee some questions concerning himself corresponding with the cause of his apprehension assigned in the Warrant aforesaid which giving him to see that the Committee was within his Vail Instead of making an ingenuous or any answer thereunto he fell into a great passion being closely touch't and particular reflections and refused to answer saying he would not accuse himself and that it was the High Commission Court It was answered That it was not the High Commission Court for he was not put to answer to interrogatories upon his oath to accuse himself when none did or could accuse him which was the High Commission Oath Ex Officio condemned by the Parliament But he being in custody and accused of such High Treasons and informations being ready to be produced and I then brought forth two relating to the matter whereof he stood charged and unto which he was demanded to answer by the ancient Law of England he ought to answer YEA or NAY thereunto which was what the Committee required of him Then he was demanded as to other Correspondents in the same Treasons To which he answered He would not be an Informer This his neither answering to the questions demanded against himself nor as to others though he had said Ask me any question and I will ingenuously answer and made such a general profession of innocency as aforesaid I say This and his other high and peremptory carriage occasioned many Words to pass between the Committee and him so that there was not such a proceeding in setting down his Examination as was usual in such cases by the Committee viz. The question leisurely put and wrote down and read and then the Answer demanded and wrote and then read and expessed and altered as the Prisoner desired before another question was asked But amidst the much speaking I took notice of some few things which he said and having wrote them after the heat was somewhat over read it in the hearing of him and the Committee to the end that he might have it exprest altered or changed to his satisfaction as was usual to every one that was examined before he be required to set his hand thereunto upon the hearing of which read he liked not some part thereof whereupon I struck it out and drew his Examination as he would have it and then read it which he not objecting against the Committee required him to put his hand thereto but he refused to sign it except he might have a copy thereof which they thought not fit to grant without an order from the Council it being not usual in cases of Treason otherwise to do So he was returned into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms without having signed his Examination which for the contents of it was not material nor was any use made thereof at his Tryal This is the truth of the matter Now whether so to take prepare and draw an Examination in the presence of the Committee and the sight of the Examinant and with such changes and alterations as the Examinant doth desire suppose
behalf of the Commonwealth either tempted or drew forth nor do I believe any did the Treasons aforesaid which secretly lodged in the discontented brests of Christop Love and his Brethren for ought I know and I am perswaded his and their own spirit was the father and mother of those Conspiracies or to give them their own word back again the Trepannor of them all Nor if his bosom friend who was as his Confessor before his death cannot do I guess who of his generation or any other can give satisfaction to this question except this lyar who asks it though he saith I know what this last meaneth To the fourth I neither thirsted after the blood of these nor any man but these and all other who thirsted after the blood of the Common-Wealth and not onely endeavoured but put these Nations into War and Blood to effect it I sought to discover as was my place and Trust and their designs for that purpose upon which discoveries some of the chief of them were brought to Justice whereby the spilling of blood was much prevented my heart being more tender to the blood and being of a Common-Wealth such a one as England and the hundreds of thousands of innocent persons therein that it might be preserved then to one man who sought and designed its ruine and destruction and to me he that by design counsel and contrivance effects that which sheds the blood of men though he draw it not with his own hand is a Murtherer in a higher degree then he that violently doth the execution And whoso sheddeth Gen. 9. ● mans blood by man shall his blood be shed for in the image of God made he man is the Law of God unto which agreeth that of God in every mans conscience Now in case of the Treasons aforesaid there was one patticular which put it out of the capacity of pardon viz. The assuming unto themselves ● supreme Power within the Jurisdction of the Common-wealth to give Commission and Instructions to divers persons authorizing them to treat with a forreign State the Scots and the proclaimed Enemy to the Common-wealth Charls Stuart King of Scots for the setting of him by force of Arms into the Throne of England which Treaty they effected and at which Treaty it was so ●●●cluded from whence sprang the War aforesaid Whi●●●eing a most transcendant Act of High Treason and ●●●king at the very Root of the Authority then in bein● for it 's impossible that two Supreme Powers in o●e Common-Wealth can consist and if that War had ●●complished the said result of the Treaty the Common-Wealth had not been the Parliament saw it not onely just but necessary for the safety of the Common-Wealth to make it exemplary in his Execution To the fifth and last I wrote many Letters when I was at White-hall and much business was upon me and went through my hands it is impossible for me to remember precisely all that I wrote so many years ago nor do I remember whether I wrote the matter of this Question but this I say Produce my Letter and what I wrote I shall not deny in the mean time and for the close of this case let Edmund Calamy and his Brethren take heed lest what this Lyar hath queryed concerning him and them they prove it to be a truth It 's good advice however it be received from him who knows what he saith and wishes no evil to him or them or any man but an irreconcileable Enemy is to the spirit of darkness which worketh in the dark by design war and blood-shed to set up its own dark domination over State and Conscience of which even of his and their generation as hath largely been made to appear England hath been of late made deeply sensible And now R. F. let me ask thee one question Is not the hand of Joab in this business were not those of Christopher Loves brethren confederates who were lately at Brist thy No Babes in the world and yet honest or some of them by whom those questions aforesaid were proposed and who desired thee to ask them of me and advised thee as aforesaid or from whom or by whose intimation or direction or instigation thou hast charged wrote and reviled as aforesaid Are not these thy Rowers and have they not brought thee into deep waters Thus much of the Case of Christopher Love and in vindication of the Proceedings and Judgement of Parliament and their Ministers in the Case of him and of the said William called Lord Craven from the sc●ndalous allegations and iro●ical reflections of this Lyar R. F. in his Libel aforesaid as to both and in conviction of his false charges therein of corruption as to Fauconers Information and other indirect dealing in the Case of the one and of blood-thirstiness blood-sucking c. in the Case of the other and of all his mire and dirt cast up at me in the management of each on purpose to render me if he could the vilest of men Upon serious consideration of all which the wise and sober may judge whether his Exemplifications as he ●earms it prove me to be such a man as he hath represented me to be or the rottenness of the people called Quakers conversion and perfection in the general as he blasphemeth or that I am the busie Bisho● in medling with that which I should not as he affirmeth or whether that be a truth which he saith by occasion of my practises in special instanced against the Estate of the first and life of the last is asserted viz. If we may judge of the conscience honesty and perfection of the quakers in general by this man in particular a man be as vile a person as any under heaven and yet a perfect quaker as his Title-page and other parts of his Libel hath it Or whether I have not proved this to be a truth viz. If the conscience honesty and profession of the Ministers of England in general may be judged by Ral●h Farmer and what he writes in particular a man may be one of the vilest of men yea a notorious traytor and yet a professed Minister of the Gospel And lastly Whether by any thing he hath said the Declaration of my innocency in the Case of Craven is impeach't or convict Thus much in reference to the first part of this Rejoinder for the rest of his stuff as to the cases aforesaid I reckon it not worth any further Reply but do leave it to fall with its foundation which is thus raced down and overturned WHITE-HALL May. 1652. So much of the Examination of Coll. Edward Drury as relates to the business of Craven HE saith That whilst he was at Breda he this Examina●t and several Officers of the King of Scots as Lievt Coll. James Bardsey Capt. John Brisco Capt. Tho. Hutt●● Capt. Tho. Hunt Major Rich. Fauconer and others to the number of five or six and twenty did joyn together in a Petition to the King for some