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A39312 Truth prevailing and detecting error, or, An answer to a book mis-called, A friendly conference between a minister and a parishioner of his, inclining to Quakerism, &c. by Thomas Ellwood. Ellwood, Thomas, 1639-1713. 1676 (1676) Wing E630; ESTC R15648 157,165 374

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the Sacrifice of a Fool. If he had disliked it yet he might one would think have spoken less uncivilly of it had it been but for their sake whom he could not but know to have used it but at this time it seems his Ill will ●o us got the upper Hand of his Respect to them But consider Reader doth this Practice deserve so foul a Reflection as he hath bestowed upon it Solomon when he spake of the Sacrifice of a Fool said Be not rash with thy Mouth and let not thy Heart he hasty to utter any thing before God for God is in Heaven and thou upon Earth therefore let thy Words be few Judge now whether is more like the Fool in his Sacrifice he that waits upon the Lord to receive from him what he shall speak and speaketh only what he doth receive from him and that according as the Holy Spirit give● him Vtterance and no further nor otherwise or he who is so rash with his M●uth and whose Heart is so hasty to utter that he is scarce well settled in his Seat ere his Tongue begins to run whose Tongue is unbridled at his own Command and he can begin when he will and end when he will say as much as he will as little as he will and what he will so that all is in his own Power Yet from these Words of Solomon he saith we may take notice that the Spirit of God is so far from owning these Extemporary Exercises in his Worship that they are reproved by him page 114. Answ. If he insists on the Word those thereby meaning Rash Hasty and Foolish Exercises he had as good have said nothing that being nothing to the Purpose but if he intends that all extemporary Exercises are so far from being owned by the Spirit of God in his Worship that they are reproved by him I tell him he errs and runs unavoidably upon one of these Absurdities either that the Apostles did not speak by the immediate Inspiration of the holy Spirit extemporarily and without Premeditation or that if they did so speak yet God d●d not own it in his Worship but reproved it Either of which I think he will be more considerate then in cool Blood to assert He goes on thus page 115. 'T is not the Nimbleness of the Fancy Quickness of Invention Readiness of Elocution Fluency of Speech or a ready Tongue that God is delighted with with these we work upon the Imperfections of Men and these are natural Faculties with which the worst of Men have been endowed such as Achitophel and Tertullus whilest holy Moses was naturally defective in his Vtterance Answ. He said right indeed With these we work upon the Imperfect●ons of Men for these are the chi●f Tools he works with and Mens Imperfections the matter he works upon but he might if he pleased have put humane Learning in among his natural Faculties for God is no more delighted with that in this Worship then with the other and that is but a Natural Attainment which the worst of Men have acquired as well as the other even such as Achitophel and Tertullus all which notwithstanding renders neither the one nor the other evil or unserviceable in their proper Places but blames the Abuse and Mis-application of them But he saith We must not overthrow that plain Advice which St. Paul gives to Timothy Till I come give Attendance to Reading Exhortation and Doctrine Meditate on these things give thy self wholely unto them that thy profitting may appear unto all 1 Tim. 4.13 15. Answ. When he called this plain Advice methinks the very Word Plain might have put him in mind to have dealt plainly He gives us here the 13 th and 15 th verses but what made him leap over the 14 th was he afraid of it what 's the matter is there any thing in it that he thought would be too hard for him Let us hear what it saith Neglect not the Gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophecy with the laying on of the Hands of the Presbytery ver 14. No wonder that he shunned this Verse for here 's the Gift of God mentioned which Timothy had in him and which was given him by Prophecy c. And he was as plainly advised to meditate on t●is and give himself as fully to this as to any of t●e rest not to say something more also in as muc● as his Profitting in the rest had no small Dependence on his dilligent Attendance to this We see now the Reason why this was stept over He saith page 116 He have great Reason to be truly thankful that the Scriptures are traenslated into the vulgar Languages but then we are beholden to the Learning of the Translators Answ. We are indeed very sensible of the Goodness and Love of the Lord to us in that he hath been pleased so to order it that we can read the holy Scriptures in our own mother Tongue and we are truly thankful unto him for it Nor would I detract a Tittle from the due Praise of the Translators or in the least undervalue or disesteem that Learning which they made use of in their Work which I always a knowledge to be good serviceable in its right place as an outward Means as writing also and Prin●ing have been to bring the Scriptures into that Language which I most readily understand and herein I ackn●●le●ge I receive a Benefit by Learning and am thus far beholden thereunto and so I am to Printing also and to Writing much more for without the first of these the Scriptures could not have been so common easie to come by but without the latter they could not have been at all but this is still but the outward Part and as it were the Bark Rind or Shell the Sap the Substance the Kernel lies within and is beyond the Reach of humane Learning that the divine Spirit is alone able to give but to set up humane Learning in the Room as it were of the Spirit and attribute that to humane Learning which properly belongs to the Spirit namely to dis●l●se and reveal the Mind of God this is not true Honour but an Abuse to Learning But he saith If Learning were at first necessary for the translating of the Scriptures it is still as necessary for the Interpreting of them Answ. If by interpreting he means according to the common Acceptation of the Word an Opening and giving the Sense and Meaning of the Scriptures I deny his Consequence for though Learning was at first necessary to turn the Words out of one Language into another yet it is not necessary to give the Sense and open the meaning of the matter contained in the Words because it neither was designed thereto nor is capable thereof for as in Natural things what man saith the Apostle knoweth the things of a Man save the Spirit of Man which is in him even so the things of God knoweth no man but the Spirit
he that when they so prayed they had no Trespasses to forgive pag. 39. Answ. This will not seem so strange if it be considered that when our Lord taught his Di●ciples thus to pray they were but young and weak their Faith which should have given them Victory over Sin was weak and sometimes almost ready to wav●r and therefore in the very same Chapter he blames the Littleness of their Faith and frequently after in the same Book of Matthew calls them O ye of Little Faith They had not yet experienced the Work of Faith with Power in that Degree which afterwards they did for the Holy Ghost was not yet poured forth because that Iesus was not yet glorified Now this Form of Prayer was suited to their present Condition but it doth not appear that it was intended to be a standing Rule for them to pray by as long as they lived but as a Supplement to their Weakness until the Comforter the Spirit of Truth was come unto them which Christ promised to send them immediately after his Departure and as it were in his room But when the Comforter was come when they had received the Spirit of Truth in that more eminent Degree He was then to lead them into all Truth He was to teach them what they should pray for and that after an higher manner then hitherto they had prayed as our Saviour's words imply Iohn 16.2 and he did so as the Apostle witness●th Likewise the Spirit helpeth our I●firmities for we know not what we should ask for as we ought mark that for all their former Teaching but the Spirit it self maketh ●nterc●ssion for us with Groans which cannot be uttered From Scripture-Arguments he comes to Reason Who sayes he can be so confident to say He is free from all the Infi●mities of his Nature Answ. Every Infirmity of Nature is not Sin A man therefore may be free from Sin though not from all the Infirmities of his Nature Again He that saith he cannot fall by Error is already fallen by Pride Answ. This relates not to a Possibility of not sinnin● but to an Impossibility of s●●ning which is not the Subject of the present Controversie He goes on to shew That it is not they that give Incouragement to sin by denying a Possibility of being freed from it but we who believe such a Possibility Pray says he who is your Friend he that saith you have no Enemy or he that informs you where he lurks pag. 41. Answ. He all along mistates the Case either through Ignorance or Design yet I would not think the worst of him By Perfection by a State of Freedom from Sin we do not mean a State free from being tempted to sin Our blessed Saviour in whom was no sin in that sense was not free he was tempted by the Devil But to be tempted is no sin So that we do not tell People they have no Enemy but we tell them they have an Enemy we tell them where this Enemy lurks and how he works We tell them this Enemy may be overcome and also how Now then turn the Question the right Way and let me ask Who is thy Friend O Man He that tells thee Thou canst never overcome thy Enemy will be too hard for thee 't is in vain to expect a Compleat Victory or He that incourages thee to fight the good Fight of Faith and tells thee that Satan if thou resist him will flee before thee and not only ●o but that the God of Peace will ●r●ad Satan under thy Feet and that shortly too Again He says It is one Step to Conversion to see our selves unconverted and one Step more to Happiness to percerve our selves Miserable Sinners Answ I grant indeed it is so But m●st we alwayes stand upon this one Step Must we never take another Step Never step forward He moves very slow indeed that takes but one step all his Life If we see our elves misererable sinners at the first step must we see our selves miserable sinners at the last step too which they do from the first step to the last confess themselves such or else they sin in so confessing this is miserable indeed miserable Comforters are all they who tell men they must be miserable Sinners as long as they live Let such take heed that they run not in vain Again He saith I need not guard my House when I am sure that no Thieves can enter Answ. This is also quite besides the business The Question is not whether no Thieves can enter although I do not guard my house but whether it is possible for me to keep the Theives from entring if I do guard my house That this is possible our Saviour expresly tells us If saith he the good man of the House had known at what Hour the Thief would come he would have watcht and not have suffered his House to be broken through So that the good man had Power and was able to have kept out the Thief if he had stood upon his Guard and the intent of this Parable was to excite the Disciples to Watchfulness which our Saviour did frequent lyinculcate to them What I say unto you I say unto all watch And again Watch and pray that ye enter not unto Temptation for there 's the Sin It is not a Sin to be tempted but it is a Sin to enter into the Temptation Now t●en if the Disciple watches and prayes it is possible for him to be kept from entring into Temptation and consequently possible for him to be kept from sinning which is directly to the Case Again he saith it is in vain to offer him Physick wo concludes himself well Answ. If any man that is not well concludes htmself well he is to blame but that is nothing to our purpo●e The Questionis Whether he that doth really receive the Physi●k and doth carefully observe the prescriptions of the Physician can be perfectly cured or no The Disease is Sin can man be perfectly cured of this Disease If he grants he may he yeilds the Cause if he denyes it her st●cts upon the Abil●ty of he Physician The poor Woman with the bloody issue had suffered much from many Physicians and spent all she had upon them but was never a whit the better Miserable Sinners at the first and miserale Sinners to the last her bloody Issue ran twelve Years together but when once she came to Christ he made her whole He works perfect Cures Will the Priest say that man may and shall be cured of his Disease of sinning but not in this Life not till he dies this is not Gospel surely for that is Glad-tidings but this is Sad-tidings to the poor patient that he must carry his Disease with him to his Grave and yet alwayes be taking costly Physick this if he believe it were enough one would think to send him forth with thither If such a cure could have
Skill and Learning and not to the mighty Power of God Answ. The Reason holds good still Experience shews that these learned men that call themselves Ministers of the Gospel now do extol and cry up their humane learning beyond the Power of God for they make that Learning such an indespensible Qualification and of such absolute Necessity that though a man be indued with Power from on high though he hath received the Promise of the Father though he be full of the Holy Ghost and of Faith yet if he be not sk●lled in humane Learning or at least supposed to be they say he is not fit to preach the Gospel But he saith That was a time extraordinary the Disciples being to plant the Gospel in all Nations and probably understanding no Language but the Syrian Christ therefore rains upon them cloven Tongues whereby they were capacitated to preach the Gospel to all People and Nations under Heaven page 100. Answ. If that was an extraordinary time and occasion in and upon which Tongues were given he is the more to blame for inferring from thence a Necessity of Humane Learning in ordinary times and upon ordinary occasions He should have remembred what himself saith page 128. That it is a most grand Fallacy to draw an universal Conclusion from particular Premises But a time he saith was coming when these Tongues should cease the main Work being done page 101. Answ. 'T is true Tongues being given but for a particular Service were to cease that Service being answered but the Teaching of the Spirit was not to cease it had no Dependency upon Tongues and therefore was not to cease with them it was before them and was to continue after them The Comforter the Spirit of Truth which Christ said he would pray the Father to send to his Disciples was to abide with them forever and he was to be their Teacher and to guide them into all Truth Besides the Apostle Paul writing to the Church at Ephesus amongst whom being of one Tongue there was no need of Tongues and by whom we read of no Miracles wrought tells them He ceaseth not to pray for them that God would give them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the Knowledge of himself From whence it is evident First That divine Revelation had no Dependence upon Tongues or Miracles Secondly That although Tongues were for a particular Service and Season and therefore were to cease yet that the Ministration of the Spirit by divine Revelation was not to cease but to continue in the Church of Christ therefore also he exhorts the Thessalonians not to quench the Spirit 1 Thes. 5.19 But he saith It would be presumption in them who pretend to be the Apostles Successors to expect to receive all Gospel Knowledge in the same manner and in all those Wayes wherein it was communicated to the Apostles page 101. Answ. How far he will strain the Word all in the last Clause I know not but if by all those Ways he intends no more then an inward Manifestation and immediate Revelation of the mind and Will of God to them by the Spirit of Truth which dwells in them I will adventure to tell him it is no Presumption at all in those who are the Apostles Successors to expect to receive the Knowledge of the Gospel in the same manner for as our Saviour prayed not for them only but all such also as should believe on him through their Word So what he promised concerning sending the Comforter to be in them to teach them to take of his and shew it unto them to guide them into all Truth and to abide with them forever he did not promise with Restriction and Limitation to them only but with an extensive Relation to all that should believe on him This appears First from the Words of Christ He that believeth on me as the Scripture hath said out of his Belly shall flow Rivers of living Water But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believed on him should receive This is spoken indefinitely of all Believers without any Restraint to Persons time or place for the Invitation is general If any Man thirst let him come unto me and drink c. Secondly It does appear that this inward immediate and spiritual Teaching was known and received by the Saints of old in general of whom we read not that they spake with Tongues or wrought Miracles The very little Children Babes in Christ to whom Iohn writ had received the Anointing Ye have an Vnction from the holy One and ye know all things the Anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you and ye need not that any man teach you but as the same Anointing teacheth you of all things and i● Truth and no Lye and even as it hath taught you ye shall abide in him Hence it is manifest that in the Primitive Church the Saints in general had the Spirit poured on them had the Anointing in them that the End of it was to teach and guide them and that they were taught and guided by it Thirdly Besides this inward and immediate Teaching of the Spirit of God by which the Knowledge of the Gospel is communicated being the very End for which the Conforter was sent and as I may say the natural Effects of his coming implied in those Words of Christ He shall teach you all things he shall testifie of me he shall receive of mine and shall shew it unto you he shall guide you into all Truth c. it must either be granted that these Effects of his Coming are now received and known in the true Church or denied that the Comforter is now received and doth abide with Believers at all The Consequence whereof would be that Christ hath left his People Comfortless which he hath assured them he will not do but if the Comforter the Spirit of Truth be now to be expected he is faithful that promised if he is to be in the Saints and to abide with them forever if his Office be to testifie of Christ to receive of Christ's and sh●w it unto them to teach them all things and to guide them into all Truth I hope Reader thou wilt not think it Presumption in them that are truly the Apostles Successors in Faith and Doctrine to expect to receive the Knowledge of the Gospel in the same manner as they received it Again he saith it is as ungodly and absurd to depend upon extraordinary Revelations and Miracles while we neglect the ordinary means under which we live as it is for an Husbandman to give over his Husbandry in expectation of being provided for by daily Miracles page 102. And a little lower he saith Though God's Hand be not shortned but that it is in his Power to give the Church now the same Gift of Tongues of Working Miracles and the rest as he was pleased to do in the Primitive Age of the Church c. Answ.
That the Inspirations which the Apostles had or the Teaching of the Spirit whereby the mind of God was communicated to them had no Dependency upon Miracles I have shewed before As for New Revelations it is a Phrase of his own not used by us and if by New he intend New as to Substance he doth not rightly represent us for we do not expect a Revelation of any other Gospel of any other Way of Salvation of any other Ess●ntials in the Christian Religion then what were revealed to the primitive Christians and have been in all Ages revealed to the ●aints in 〈◊〉 D●gree or other and which by the divinely inspired Penmen were committed to writing and are declared of in the holy Scriptures but as no Prophecy of old ●ime came by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost so n●ither can the true Sense and Meaning of tho●e heavenly Doctrines contained in the holy ●criptures be comprehended or understood by the Wit and Wisdom of man in his highest Natural Attainments but only alone by the Openings and Discoveries of that holy Spirit by which they were at first revealed Those divine Mysteries are Mysteries indeed and remain so as a sealed Book which neither the unlearned nor yet the most learned in the wisdom of this World is able by that Learning to open until Christ the Lamb doth open them And these Heavenly things and divine Mysteries so opened by him who hath the Key of David wherewith he openeth and no man shutteth and shutteth and no man with all his humane Learning openeth are not New Revelations that is New things revealed but rather renewed Revelations that is Old things revealed anew The same Gospel the same Way of Salvation the same Essentials of Religion the same Principles and Doctrine in a word the same Good Old Truths which were revealed to the Saints of old and are recorded in the holy Scriptures revealed now anew And this Revelation is absolutely necessary for without it there is no true no certain no living Knowledge of God the Father or of Jesus Christ his Son This our Saviour told the Iews No man sayes he knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him Humane Learning cannot do it Nor can the Doctrines of the Gospel or the Mysteries of God's Kingdom be known to man but by the Rev●lation of the Holy Spirit Humane Learning cannot discover them for The things of God saith Paul knoweth no man but the Spirit of God Perhaps the Priest will say They are revealed in the Scriptures But I shall then tell him That Revelation is necessary yea of Necessity even to understand the Scriptures For he himself observes p. 96. that it is not the Letter but the Sense that is the Word of God If so it is not enough for any man to have and read the Letter only though he spend his Age therein but if he expect profit thereby he must come to the true Sense which how learned soever he be in the Wisdom of this World he never can attain unto until the holy Spirit reveal it to him And to this purpose must his own words serve if they will serve to any purpose at all namely We confess that the Spirit helpeth us to understand old Truths already reveal●d i● Scripture and we pray for his Assistance therein pag. 103. In which words though he mistakes in saying they are revealed already to him that doth not understand them yet by confessing that the Spirit doth help to understand and praying for his Assistance therein he acknowledges that the Truths contained in the Scriptures are to be revealed by the Spirit Having promised this I hold my self the less concern'd to take notice of what he sayes concerned new Revelations because he speaks up●n a false Ground and shoots at random Yet some things scattered here and there in his Discourse I may speak briefly to to make him more sensible of his Mistakes 1 st He says These New Revelations highly disparage the Scriptures Answ. He that desires and waits to have the Truth 's Record in the Scriptures revealed to him by the same Spirit from which they were written doth not at all disparage the Scriptures but honours them But he sayes The Scripture if it be true and may be believed declares it self to be a perfect and sufficient Rule in order to Salvation 2 Tim. 3.17 Answ. The Scripture so far as it hath escaped Corruption from Mis-transcribing Mis-translating Mis-printing and the like is true and not only may but ought to be believed But I do not find it declares that of it self which he hath here declared of it from 2 Tim. 3.17 namely that it is a perfect and sufficient Rule in order to Salvation That place sayes thus Vers. 16. for the 17th Verse depends on that and is imperfect without it All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness Vers. 17. That the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnisht unto all Good Works Now to let pass the Translation which is not altogether so well as it might be here is no mention of a Rule at ●ll The Scripture is here said to be profitable but I hope the Priest will not say every thing that is profitable is a perfect and sufficient Rule He sayes humane Learning is profitable and not only so but nec●ssary yea of Necessity to the Understanding Preaching the Gospel will he therefore make humane Learning the Rule But how regardless is this man of speaking Truth who so confidently sayes the Scripture declares it self to be a perfect and sufficient Rule in order to Salvation whena● that Scripture which he brings to prove this hath no such words in it But he adds That the Scripture accurses all that shall preach any other Doctrine Gal. 1.8 9. Answ. If he means any other Doctrine then this which he has preached concerning the Scripture being a perfect and sufficient Rule he errs and wrongs the Text. For the Apostle there sayes If any man preach any ●●her G●spel unto you then that we ha●e preached and you have received let him be acursed And so say I He that preaches any other Gospel then what was then preached by the Apostle the Curse and Wo is to him But let me withal tell my Adversary he did unadvisedly to bring these two Scriptures together For in that to Timothy the Apostle saith That the Man of God may be perfect but that the Priest denyes it is possible for him to be So that he preaches not only another but a directly contrary Doctrine to what the Apostle preacht Let him look again then and consider whether he has not brought the Curse to his own Door Again he sayes pag. 104. Consider how contrary these new Revelations are to God's
thing and speak another But if the Letter be not the Word of God how can the Bible be the Word of God seeing the Bible is only the Book wherein the Letter is written Yet does this man so confound and jumble them together that it is hard to know what at last he intends to be the Word of God One while he sayes it is not the Letter but the Sense that is the Word of God by and by he sayes The Bible is the Word of God as if he took the Bible in which the Letter is written to be the Sense of the Letter for he makes the Bible and the Sense of the Letter to be one and the same thing namely the Word of God But the Word of God which is quick and powerful he appears to be a Stranger to But he asks Whence we know that the Word of God is Quick and Lively Answ. By Experience For though he being with the Iews in the Unbelief has never peradventure heard the Voice of God at any time yet blessed be the Lord we have and when the Lord hath spoken in us we have felt his Word living and powerful discerning and discovering the Most Secret Thoughts and Intents of our Hearts But this Answer I conclude will not answer his End He has fitted an Answer to his own Design and put it into his Parishioner's Mouth to speak as for us which is That We learn out of the Bible that the Word of God is Quick and Lively Whereupon as apprehending some Advantage he layes about him with all his Might What! sayes he Out of that Bible which they call a Dead Letter and so goes on for three or four pages together in such an insulting strain as if he had gotten some petty Conquest and were now riding in Triumph But a Wise Man would have defer'd his Boasting until he had put his Armour off That the Bible barely as it is a Book is a Dead Thing that the Scriptures barely as Writings are Dead Letters none I think that considers what he sayes and dare● put his Name to it will deny But sayes he Though the Leaves and Letters have no Natural Life in them is therefore the Sense of the Scriptures dead No say I The true Sense and Meaning of the Scriptures is not dead But that Sense which man by his Natural Understanding and Humane Learning only doth invent and form to himself as if he had it from the Scriptures is dead for the true Sense and Meaning of the Scripture is received and understood in by the Openings and Revelation of the Divine Spirit and not otherwise Now we never call the Scriptures a dead Letter in dis●respect to or dis-esteem of the Scriptures but to manifest the Mistake and Error of those who think it sufficient that they have the Scriptures although they d●ny the Revelation of the Spirit by which alone the true Sense and Meaning of the Scriptures can be understood And though the Scriptures without the Spirit be a Dead Letter yet being opened explained applyed and the true Sense of them given by the Spirit they are then truly serviceable and profi●able for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness and may be so used by them that are led and guided by the Spirit without any of those Absurdities which this man irreligiously would fasten on them Besides when the Bible is called a Dead Letter it is as in his Book in Opposition to them that call it the Word of God as this Man expresly doth in the very same page 107 though to his own Contradiction he had said but a few Leaves before pag. 96. It is not the Letter but the Sense that is the Word of God So that although he will not have the Letter to be the Word of God but the Sense yet by an incomparable Piece of Ignorance and Self-contradiction he will have the Bible or Book to be the Word of God as if the Book wherein the Letter it written were the Sense of the Letter Thus all his great Bluster and Vapour against others ends in the Detection of his own Confusion He sayes pag. 112. To look for more Revelations or a Repetition of the former would be equally an Act of Impudence and Infidelity Why of Impudence and Infidelity He replies Would it not be an Act of Infidelity not to believe God when he plainly tells us that the Scriptures themselves are able to make us wise unto Salvation through Faith c. and to furnish us throughly to all good Works Answ. He corrupts the Scripture Where doth God plainly tell him that the Scriptures themselves are able c This word themselves he puts in of his own Head and yet sayes God tells us plainly that the Scriptures themselves are able c. wherein he speaks Untruth of God If this be not Infidelity yet it looks as like Impudence as I have seen If the Scriptures themselves were able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith c. there were then no Need of the Help of the Spirit But I have already shewed that unless the Spirit reveal and open them the Scriptures themselves cannot be rightly understood And he himself in saying The spirit doth help them to understand them and that they pray for its Assistance therein pag. 103. doth implicitly acknowledge as much But if there be a Necessity of the spirit 's Teaching in order to a right understanding of the Scriptures then it is evident that the Scriptures themselves are not able to make wise c. without the Help and Assistance i. e. the Teaching and Revelation of the Spirit Whether then it can be an Act of Infidelity to expect that which there is so great a Necessity of that men cannot be wise unto Salvation without it I leave to the Reader 's Judgment Nay let it be well considered seeing Christ hath plainly and expresly told us That he will send the Comforter the spirit of Truth to his Disciples that this spirit shall be in them and shall abide with them forever that he shall testifie of Christ that he shall take of Christ's and shew it unto them that he shall teach them all things and guide them into all Truth as appears in the 14 15 16. Chapters of Iohn I say let it be well considered whether it is not an Act of Infidelity in any who profess themselves to be Christ's Disciples not to believe and expect the Performance of this so absolute a Promise Thus far as to the Infidelity of expecting to have the Truths formerly revealed to the Saints revealed now to us by the same spirit by which they were then revealed unto them which I take to be the Meaning of that Phrase of his a Repetition of the former Revelations Now to the Act of Impudence for he sayes To look for a Repetition of the former Revelations would be equally an Act of Impudence and Infidelity And is it not an Act of Impudence sayes he
of God Now we saith he have received not the Spirit of the World but the Spirit which is of God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God The Apostle here layes the Capacity of knowing the things that are given us of God upon our receiving the Spirit of God and wholly shuts out the Spirit of the World from having any thing to do in it and that not without great Reason for he that hath most of the Spirit of the World he who is deepest in the Wisdom and Understanding of the World and who hath climbed to the highest Pitch of humane Learning is by all these Attainments but a Natural Man And the Apostle saith expresly ver 14. The Natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are Foolishness unto him neither can be know them because they are spiritually discerned Where then is the Necessity of humane Learning to interpret the Scriptures But he intimates That there is still a Necessity of understanding these Tongues for the Translation of Scripture Answ. Not if the Scriptures be already rightly translated but by this he implies that the present Translation is not true And what a Condition doth he leave them in then to whom he proposes it as a perfect and sufficient Rule for if the Scripture not the Spirit is to be their Rule then to them that understand it not in other Languages which not one of an hundred doth the Translation of the Scripture must be the Rule and if that Translation be not true the Rule is not true and what will the Consequence of that be but if the Translation be true then there is not a Necessity still of understanding those Tongues for the Translation of Scripture But saith he I pray by what way and means must we attain the Knowledge of it speaking of the Scripture just before but by the ordinary means of Study Industry or Vniversity Education Answ. The Question implies he knows no other Way and indeed I doubt he doth not yet if he thinks there is no other Way I would ask him why he saith page 103. He prays for the Assistance of the Spirit to help him understand the Scriptures Is not that another Way then by Study Industry or University Education He next attempts to shew the use of Learning in unfolding difficult places in Scripture namely for the Vnderstanding the Literal Moral Mystical Tropical Metaphorical Allegorical Hyperbolical Senses which he confesseth are hard Words and hard indeed would the Case of Mankind be if the Gospel could not be understood and preacht unto them without understanding these hard words but the best on it is these hard words relate but to the difficult Places which he saith page 93. are least necessary nay not at all necessary to Salvation All Points whatsoever necessary to Salvation either to be believed or done the History of Christ's Birth Death Resurrection and Ascension the Duties of the first and second Table the Love of God and our Neighbour all Evangelical Precepts and the Essentials of Religion being fitted to the most vulgar Capacity and shallowest Vnderstanding suited to the Capacity of the weakest and most unlearned written in such a plain and familiar Style and made such easie Doctrines that he that runs may read them So then here is no need of a lea●ned Priest to puzzle Peoples Heads with hard Words and pick their Pockets by Tropes and Hyperbolies for the Gospel with all the Doctrines and Precepts of it the Essentials of Religion and whatsoever is necessary to Salvation being so plain and easie to be understood may very well be preacht without Study or humane Learning by such as having freely received are willing freely to give But he chargeth the Quakers with mis-timing and abusing the Prophecy of Joel in applying it to this present Age. The words are And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out my Spirit upon all Flesh c. chap. 2.28 This Prophecy he tells us a learned Commentator tells him was cited and applied by St. Peter Acts 2. to the times of the Gospel Answ. What doth he mean by the times of the Gospel are not these times which we live in the times of the Gospel what times I wonder doth he take these to be But Peter explains the Word afterward by the last days for whereas the Prophet had said It shall come to pass afterward c. The Apostle saith It shall come to pass in the last Days c. Upon this the Priest recites these Words of his learned Commentator Whatsoever can be collected from this Place t● the Benefit of the Pretenders will receive a short and clear Answer by considering the time to which this Prediction and the Completion of it belonged and that is expresly the last Days in the Notion wherein the Writers of the new Testament constantly use that Phrase not for these Days of ours so far advanced toward the End of the World but for the time immediately preceding the Destruction of the Jewish Polity c. page 123. Answ. That this Prophecy then relates to the last Days whensoever they fall to be both he and his Commentator grant us but we do not agree which are the last Days He saith these days of ours are not the last Days but those Days immediately foregoing the Destruction of Jerusalem That the last Days did then begin I grant but that they are already ended I deny Will he call them the last Days and yet say th●se which are sixteen hundred Years latter then they are not the last Days What can he say more repugnant to Reason Which is more properly the last the foremost or the hindermost that that is gone before or that that followeth after But I observe he saith The last Days are not these of ours so far advanced towards the End of the World c. as if he thought the advancement of these Days so far towards the End of the World a fit Medium to prove them not the last Days then which I think he could not have found an unfi●ter since by how much the further they are advanced towards the End of the World by so much the more properly they may be called the last Days But he would have it That the Writers of the New Testament do constantly use that Phrase the last Days with relation to that time immediatly preceding the Destruction of Jerusalem Answ. No they do not constantly use that Phrase with relation to that time the Apostle Paul to Timothy saith In the last days perilous times shall come Peter also saith There shall come in the last days Scoffers This must not be understood of that time only wherein they lived because they both speak in the future Tense shall of a time hereafter or then to come saith the Apostle Iames to the rich men Your Gold and Silver is cankred and the Rust of them shall be a Witness against you
and shall eat your Flesh as Fire ye have heaped Treasure together for the last Days In which Places the last Days cannot reasonably be understood of the time of Ierusalem's Destruction But to shorten the Work I will grant him that the Last Dayes did then begin to which that Prophecy had relation let him prove that the Last Dayes are at an end or that the Spirit was to be poured out in some part only of the Last Dayes and not in all if he will have the pouring forth of the Spirit to be now ceased Our Saviour when he promised to send the Comforter told his Disciples He should abide with them forever And at that very time when he commanded his Disciples to wait at Ierusalem to receive the pouring forth of the Spirit he promised to be with them alwayes even unto the End of the World I have now done with his Discourse upon this Subj●ct namely of Humane Learn●ng and Divine Revelation I will add a Testimony or two of other men of sufficient Note and Credit to shew we stand not alone in this matter and leave the whole to the impartial Reader 's Judgment The first shall be of W. Tindall a faithful Martyr who thus writes It is impossible to understand in the Scriptures more then a Turk for whosoever hath not the Law of God written in his Heart to fulfill it Again Without the Spirit it is impossible to understand them And in his Answer to Mor●'s Dialogue he sayes When thou art asked why thou believest thou shall be saved ●y Christ answer Thou feelest that it is true and when he asketh How thou knowest that it is true answer Because it is written in thy Heart if he ask Who wrote it answer The Spirit of God and ●f he ask How thou camest first by it tell him Thou wast inwardly taught by the Spirit of God and if he ask Whether thou believest it not because it is written in Bo●ks or because the Priests so preach answer No not now but only because it is writt●n in thy Heart and because the Spirit of God so preacheth and so testifieth unto thy Soul c. Thus far Tindal To him I will add Iohn Iewel a zealous Defence● of the Protestant Religion The Spirit of God sayes he is bound neither to Sha●pness of Wit nor to abundance of Learning Oft-times the UNLEARNED see that thing that the LEARNED cannot see Therefore saith Christ I thank th●e O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth because thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent and hast revealed them unto Babes even so Faher for so it seemeth good in thy sight Mat. 11. Therefore adds he Epiphanius saith Only to the Children of the Holy Ghost all the Scriptures are plain and easie Again True it is sayes he Flesh and Blood is not able to understand the Holy Will of God without SPECIAL REVELATION therefore Christ gave Thanks unto his Father for that he had revealed his Secrets unto the Little Ones and likewise opened the Hearts of his Disciples that they might understand the Scriptures Without this SPECIAL HELP and prompting of God's Holy Spirit the Word of God is unto the Reader be he never so wise or well LEARNED as the Vision of a sealed Book But this Revelation is not special unto One or Two but GENERAL unto ALL them that be the Members of Christ and are indued with the Spirit of God Thus far Iewel These men we see although themselves very well learned yet a●cribe not their Knowledge of God and their understanding of the Scriptures unto their Humane Learning ●tudy or Natural Abilities but to the Inspiration and Revelation of the Divine Spirit B●t let us further observe what some others also of that Age have said on the same Subject Iohn Bradford an eminent Martyr in his Answer to the ●rch Bishop of Y●rk says thus We do believe and know the ●criptures as Christ's Sheep not because the Church saith they are the Scriptures but because they be so being thereof assured by the same Spirit that spake them I. Philpot another Godly Lea●n●d Martyr having in the beginning of his B●ole written this Sentence Spiritus est Vicarius Christs in terris i. e. The Spirit is Christ's Vicar or in Christ's stead on Earth gave this Answer to B. Bonner inquiring the Reason of his so writing Christ since his Ascension worketh all things in us by his Spirit and by his Spirit doth dwell in us c. I conclude with Bullenger Unless the Holy Spirit inspire our Minds and guide our Tongues we can never either speak or hear any thing concerning him with any Worth or Profit For as none knoweth the things of God but only the Spirit of God so men fetch the understanding of Divine Things and Knowledge of the Holy Ghost from NO WHERE ELSE then from the same Spirit By this Reader thou mayest see that it was not Humane Learning Natural Study or Vniversity Education that these Good Men trusted to of old for the right understanding of the Scriptures but the Spirit of God which dwelt in them from which they received the Understanding of Heavenly Things CHAP. IX Of Tythes I Am now come to the Priests Delilah the very Darling and Minion of the Clergy TYTHES which were wont to be claimed as of Divine Right but I do not find this Priest hardy enough to adventure his Cause upon that Title No though he pretends to be a Minister of the Gospel yet he takes the Law for the surer holding and therefore betakes himself chiefly to that Yet something he would say for the other too though not so much from himself as others Let me tell you sayes he that those that insist upon the Divine Right of Tythes as much as to say I do not derive them not from Levi but Melchizedeck It is then inquirable Whether or no Tythes were ever due to Melchizedeck That which should make them due must be a Command They were not due to the Levitical Priesthood until they were commanded to be paid but after they were commanded to be paid they be●●me due and so long as that Command stood ●n force it was an Evil to detain them But we do not find througho●t the Scriptures any Command from God that Ty●h●s should be paid unto Melchizedeck With what Reason then can any affirm ●hat Tythes were due unto him That he did once receive Tythe of Abraham I grant but that it was not a proper Debt or just Due belonging to him and which Abraham had done Evil in detaining I offer these Reasons to prove First That Moses sayes expresly He gave him Tythes He does not say He paid him Tythes but He gave him Tythes which the Apostle referring to useth also the same Phrase To whom also Abraham gave a Tenth Part and again Vnto whom even the Patriarch Abraham gave the Tenth c. To gave we know imports one thing to a● another