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A45407 A copy of some papers past at Oxford, betwixt the author of the Practicall catechisme, and Mr. Ch. Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660.; Cheynell, Francis, 1608-1665. 1650 (1650) Wing H531; ESTC R18463 111,324 132

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Conceive your Letters are meant as they are by the superscription directed to mee onely yet I thought it my duty to direct you to some that are equally ingaged and able to give you better satisfaction You will not beleeve mee and I have done As for your discourse about desiring an exact account truly Sir I doe seriously beleeve that when you were at highest you would shew as much civility towards any Minister of Christ as you did towards mee It may stand with the state of an Arch-deacon to desire an account if hee adde exact account The greatest Generall will give Orders to his Officers in as homble a stile These are to desire But enough if not too much of that If your challenge made mee smile gravely yet sure you are too angry when you say I have reproached and slandered you you endeavour to make mee as happy as you conceive your selfe to bee Sir I never thought that there had been so much advantage to bee made of a Parenthesis I doe not desire to mistake your meaning and am sorry to read your uncharitablenesse Your judgement is that I seeke for nothing in your Papers but exceptions you intimate that I am no Scholar and to your selfe no friend yet you are so curteous as to communicate some part of your mind to your unlearned enemy but you professe that you doe not cast up a ball of new contention between us onely you are pleased to referre mee to another Book called the View of the new Directory I acknowledge that I have heard what I now begin to beleeve that that Book is yours because you smile upon it as Fathers use to do upon their pretty Babes The Author of that view of the new Directory layes downe this rule page 2. Nothing is necessary in the worship of God but what God hath prescribed Pray Sir let us know how many severalls of the Common-prayer-book that are purposely left out in the Directory are prescribed by God 2 The said Author abuses both Presbyterians and Independents but whether hee doth answer the severall Arguments propounded by either I leave to you to consider Sir if you have any thing to say against our Learned and Reverend brethren of Scotland they are of age to answer you try their strength 3 If you please to undertake the answer of Mr. Cottons arguments against set Formes you may have liberty to speake your minde but truly Sir till you have performed this taske I mean till you have shewen how many things are prescribed by God and rejected by us in this Directory 2 Till you have answered our brethren of Scotland and Mr. Cotton to say nothing of others you have no temptation to triumph unlesse you meane to triumph before the victory as that Author doth You should not refer us to Mr. Hooker now the state of the question is so much varied 4 If it bee granted to you that some set Forme may by some persons at least for some time bee lawfully used how will you prove it necessary that any whole entire set Platforme of Liturgie should bee rigorously imposed upon all the Ministers of these three Kingdomes of England c is not that the thing which you doe so passionately long after and earnestly contend for if it be not I confesse I am much mistaken and if it be let it be clearly and undeniably proved 5 In this last returne I doe not finde you willing to owne what your words seemed to import That there is some necessity that the Liturgy formed in the Apostles times should bee continued in the Church For you give the present Church leave to judge of the Liturgy composed in the time of the Apostles as you pretend and to make what alterations or additions alienation or exchange shall seeme fit to the present Church But Sir if those Apostolicall men were extraordinarily assisted by the Spirit in composing that Liturgy shall men of ordinary gifts take upon them to passe a peremptory sentence for altering alienating exchanging what was as you conceive composed by the extraordinary assistance of the Spirit and is by a more then ordinary blessing and providence preserved and transmitted to posterity Sir take your words according to your owne interpretation that the holy Ghost who setled a Ministery enabled them in the Apostles time to forme a Liturgy to continue in the Church to the end that the Ministers might pray and intercede for their severall Congregations and you doe certainely decline if not studiously the maintaining of what you are engaged to maintaine by your View of the Directory if a Minister may pray as hee ought in a congregation without the use of the Liturgy which you say was formed in the Apostles time to continue in the Church then sure a Minister may pray as hee ought in the Congregation without the helpe of the late Common-prayer-book 6 You name severall Liturgies which will you stand to and avouch that it is without any interpolation or corruption 7 Not to spend time about the miraculous gift of prayer you say there were some exercises of that gift and confesse those exercises to bee different from the set Formes you contend for Sir is there no ordinary gift of Prayer vouchsafed to the Ministers of Christ should not this ordinary gift be stirred up by meditation and exercised in prayer should not Ministers of Christ give themselves to pray and study how to pray seasonably according to the severall occasions administred by the various turnes of God providence How doe you prove that a man that hath not ordinary wisdome to pray as hee ought is called by Christ to bee a Minister of the Gospel Surely Sir I thinke a Minister should study to pray seasonably as well as preach seasonably and if the Primitive method and manner of prayer bee to bee observed it doth not follow that the Liturgies which goe under the name of St. Iames and Marke and have constantly been suspected by Learned men should be rigorously imposed upon the Ministers of the New Testament who have an ordinary gift of prayer nay are indued with the spirit of prayer 8 You mention the use of Psalmes and the Lords prayer Why sure Sir you did view the Directory very slightly if you tooke no notice of the Order about the publique reading of the holy Scriptures and the frequent reading of the Book of Psalmes Wee acknowledge the prayer which Christ taught his Disciples to bee of it selfe a most comprehensive prayer and not onely a patterne of prayer And it is specially recommended to bee used in the prayers of the Church if you please to call this a Liturgy and it seemes you can demonstrate no more doe not complaine that you are deprived of all manner of Liturgy for now you have told me that publique divine Service is the English of Liturgy Sure I am the Parliament desires that our publique service of God should be most divine and orderly for their care hath been to hold forth