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A71272 The result of false principles, or, Error convicted by its own evidence managed in several dialogues / by the author of the Examination of Tylenus before the tryers ; whereunto is added a learned disputation of Dr. Goades, sent by King James to the Synod at Dort. Womock, Laurence, 1612-1685.; Goad, Thomas, 1576-1638. 1661 (1661) Wing W3350; ESTC R31825 239,068 280

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deep setled apprehensions of his gracious merciful lovely nature which indeed is the first work of true Religion and the very Master Radical Act of true Grace and the chief maintai●er of spiritual life and motion 2. All these temptations are yet more effectually dispelled by considering this merciful Divine Nature dwelling in flesh becoming man by condescending to the assumption of our humane nature and so come near us and assuming the office of being the Mediatour the Redeemer the Saviour of the World 3. All our doubts and fears that proceed from our former sins have all a present rememdy in the fulness and sufficiency of Christs satisfaction even for all the World so that no sin is so great but it is fully satisfied for c. 4. All our doubts and fears that arise from an apprehension of Gods unwillingness to shew us mercy and to give us Christ and life in him arise from the misapprehension of Christs unwillingness to be ours or at least from the uncertainty of his willingness these have all a sufficient remedy in the general extent and tenour of the New Covenant From which principles our Divines do infer 1. A possibility of your salvation Ib pag. 43. 2. Nay though you were yet graceless you have now this comfort that your salvation is probable as well as possible you are very fair for it The terms be not hard in themselves on which it is tendred for Christs yoke yoke is easie his burden light and his commands are not grievous 3. Yea this exceeding comfort there is even for them that are graceless that their salvation is conditionally certain and the condition is but their own willingness But all this gives Desola us no satisfaction As to the greatest part of Mankind he finds in God a general unwillingness of their salvation for as if he were a cruel destroyer according to the Synod of Dort he cast them off without any vincible fault of theirs for the sin of Adam and out of an immutable hatred against them he decreed to with-hold from them all grace sufficient unto Faith and Repentance and hence it follows that Christ procured no such grace for them and consequently that his merit is insufficient * Distinctio qua Christus dicitur mortuus sufficienter non efficaciter pro omnibus vana est nom illud aut notat vice aut bono omnium mori sed nec hoc nec illud Ergo nullo mod● c. Maccovius in Th●ol polem cap. 14. Qust 15. mihi pag. 98. And therefore if pardon and salvation be tendred to them it cannot be done seriously and in earnest but in mockery and delusion Hereupon he concludes that pardon and salvation being offer'd only upon such condi●ions as are impossible the obtaining them is so far from being certain that it is neither probable nor possible Lastly I have conjured him not to think of Gods mercifulness Mr. Baxter ib. pag. 18. with distinguishing extenuating thoughts nor to limit it by the bounds of our frail understandings for the Heavens are not so far above the Earth as his thoughts and wayes are above ours I bid him still-remember that he must have no low thoughts of Gods goodness but apprehend it as bearing proportion with his power As it is blasphemy to limit his power so it is to limit his goodness I advised him to consider that even under the terrible Law when God proclaims to Moses Ibid. pag. 17. his own Name and therein his Nature Exod. 34. 6 7. the first and greatest part is The Lord God merciful and gracious long-suffering and abundant in goodness and truth keeping mercy for thousands forgiving iniquity transgression and sin And he hath sworn that he hath no pleasure in the death of a sinne but rather that he return and live For this he finds an evasion too out of Dr. Twiss where in Answer to the Text now alledged he replies thus As for that of swearing by himself that he wi● not for so the Translatour Vbi supra pag. 52 53. of Tilenus had rendred it the death of a sinner there is no such Text at all saith he the most Authentical Translation of our own Church reads it I have no pleasure in the death of a sinner And as Piscator observes A man may will that wherein he takes no pleasure like as a sick man takes no pleasure in a bitter Potion yet he is willing to take it to recover his health So is a man willing to lose a Limb though he takes no pleasure in it to save his life And then again as the words lie they are directly contrary to Christian reason for doth not God inflict death on thousands and doth not the Scripture testifie That God works all things according to the counsel of his will Ephes 1. 11. And albeit he takes no pleasure in the death of the sinner yet the Scripture is as express in acknowledging that God delights in the execution of judgment as well as in the execution of mercy I am the Lord which sheweth mercy judgment and righteousness in the Earth for in these things I delight saith the Lord Jer. 9. 24. Having proceeded thus far I saw so little probability of success that I resolved to have him treated with the best advantage I could and therefore I have call'd in your assistance that the Authority of your Office may add some weight and force to such Arguments as you shall think sit to produce for his Restitution And now Sir that you are acquainted as well with the Disease as with the Patient I beseech you to bestow a charitable visit upon him Diotrephes I will bear you company to his Chamber Samaritanus I am as good as my word you see my Desolatus my friendship is so fast and so unfeigned it will not suffer me to be long from you But here is another worthy friend of yours Mr. Diotrephes come to visit you I hope his Company and Conference will administer a great deal of satisfaction and comfort to you to his Charity therefore I commend you for a while Diotrephes Being inform'd that you lay under some pressures upon your spirit I took this opportunity to shew my readiness to do you the best office of kind ess I am able and now my prayer is That the God of hope would fill you with all joy and peace in believing that you may abound in hope through the power of the Holy Ghost Rom. 15. 13. Desolatus Sir you are very kindly welcome and I heartily thank you for your presence and your prayers though I have too much Reason to conclude that I shall reap no fruit or benefit by them Diotrephes Do not draw such uncomfortable Conclusions against your self I cannot think you have any premises from which such a Conclusion doth necessarily follow You know what the Psalmist saith of Almighty God He healeth the broken in heart and giveth medicine to heal their sickness and he lifteth up them that
Dogmatical Faith not a Saving Faith Praesumptuosus May not a Parent justly claim Baptism for his Child upon the profession of such a Faith Diotrephes Whatever Parents claim out of a pretended Right * Mr. Baxter Ministers may not baptize their Children upon the profession of any other Faith that comes short of Saving Faith Ibid. Disp 2. pag. 41 c. Praesumptuosus What is that Saving Faith you would have a man to profess Diotrephes I would have him seriously profess to believe all the essential Articles of Christian Religion and to consent to take Mr. Baxter God for his only God and Portion Christ for his only Red emer and the Holy Ghost for his Sanctifier renouncing the World Flesh and Divel Ibid. Disput 3. pag. 34● Praesumptuosus Methinks this is all one with that Promise and Vow which was wont to be made by Godfathers and Godmothers in the behalf of those children for whom they were then Sureties For I remember that to this question of the Catechism in the English Liturgy What did your Godfathers and Godmothers then in your Baptism promise for you the Child is instructed to answer thus They did promise and Vow three things in my name 1. That I should forsake the Divel and all his Works the Pomps and Vanities of the wicked World and all the sinful lusts of the flesh 2. That I should believe all the Articles of the Christian Faith And 3. That I should keep Gods holy Will and Commandments and walk in the same all the dayes of my life * And in the charge to the Godfathers c. Seeing this Child hath promised by you to forsake the Divel c. to believe in God and to serve him And more distinctly concerning the Articles of the Christian Faith the Child being Catech●zed therein doth tell us he is taught 1. To believe in God the Father who hath made me and all the World 2. In God the Son who hath redeemed me and all Mankind 3. In God the Holy Ghost who sanctifieth me and all the Elect people of God Certainly this doth amount to as full a profession of Saving Faith as that you require with some alteration of words and phrases Diotrephes * Mr. Baxter If a man have made the same profession I mention'd and after long continuance in the Church doth offer his Child to Christ in Baptism and offer to renew that profession and enter his Child into the same Covenant I shall suppose his claim just till some sufficient Reason be brought to prove it unjust Ubi supra Disp 3. pag. 343. Praesumptuosus For the time of my continuance in the Church 't is sufficiently known the Di●ectory by which I was baptized if we may believe so late a Tradition was not born long before me And I hope you will not account my Baptism N●ll for want of such a profession of Saving Faith as you intimate to be of necessity to make my claim of Baptism just on my Childs behalf If that profession made in my name were defective and came short of Saving Faith you cannot say that either I or my Parents sinned in it My father I presume was guided by the Minister and he observed the instructions in the Directory wherein if you are not satisfied I am contented to renew my Profession together with such enlargements as your Christian Prudence shall think fit to add for a fuller Explication Diotrephes When I asser the unlawfulness to admit persons to Baptism upon the profession of any Faith that comes short of Saving Faith I do not intend thereby to assert the Mr. Baxter Nullity of all such Baptism when performed though unlawfully for though it may be * N. ● Null or vain as to the special uses and benefits yet it followeth not that therefore it is Null as to the true Form and Being of the external Ordinances nor that this is to be reiterated Ubi supra Disp. 2 pag. 53. Praesumptuosus What hinders then but my Child may be admitted unto Baptism Diotrephes I am unsatisfied upon another account * Mr. Baxter If the Parents do either produce no Title to the baptizing of their Child that is if they do not seem Christians or godly or if they give us grounds of a violent presumption that their profession is false and counterfeit in either of these cases as we are to exclude them from Christian Communion so are we to refuse the baptizing of their Children that is we are to supsend both till such a Title be shewed or till the grounds of that strong presumption be removed Ubi supra Disput 3. pag. 340. Praesumptuosus Sir I hope such is your Charity you have a better opinion of me than to reckon me amongst the number of the ungodly I assent firmly to all the essential parts of Christian Religion and am able to give an account of them And I am ready if you please to call me to it to profess my consent to take God for my God Christ for my Saviour the Spirit for my Sanctifier the Word for my Rule I profess to esteem the Kingdom of heaven before this present World I do not deliberately venture on Gods displeasure much less profess I had rather forfeit my interest in heaven than forsake the pleasures of sin I thank God I am not so much in love with any gross sin but I can and do frequently pray against it and desire Almighty God not only to pardon but in his due time a●so to mort●fie it In the mean while I take it kindly at their hands that do in love and meekness admonish and reprove me It cannot be objected against me that ever I endeavoured the disgracing or extirpation of godliness neither is it my custom to deride or slander or persecute the generality of godly men about me for their apparent godly practices in matters of weight in Religion I am sufficiently convinced of the manifold advantages of a godly life and have adhered to the godly party and joyned with them in Fasting and Prayers and other holy duties both in publick and in private and 't is a trouble to me that you should now deny my Child the benefit of Gods Ordinance See Mr. Baxter of Right to Sacram. Disp 3. pag. 345 c. Diotrephes My judgment is * Mr. Baxter They that live constantly in the Commission of gross sins though they profess Repentance and promise Reformation yet if they have over and over broke their pro●ise and still continue in the sin such mens words are not any more to be credited else all Discipline may be ●luded ●ill they actually reform Ibid. pag 347. Praesumptuosus Sir I have read in the Writings of a person not inferiour to yourself in point of reputation both for learning and godliness who certifieth the World upon his own personal knowledge to the great comfort of the godly who suffer infirmity through the violence of temptation in these words * Of Right to