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A10446 A treatise intitled, Beware of M. Iewel. By Iohn Rastel Master of Arte and student of diuinitie Rastell, John, 1532-1577. 1566 (1566) STC 20729; ESTC S121801 155,259 386

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the lesse Asia with Importing or Supplying or Making good the rest vnrehersed by this clause Et sic de singulis and so in eche of the rest The Antecedent I proue Iew 161. concerning those Countries which I named And I proue it by your warrant M. Iewel because it is surest Verily say you Polycarpus was Bishop of Smyrna Gregorius Bishop of Pontus S. Basil was Bishop of Caesarea in Cappadocia Amphilochius B. of Iconium in Lycaonia Gregorius S. Basiles brother B. of Nyssa in Caria or Thracia after your reckoning All these in sondrye Countries in Asia preached openlye in the Greeke tonge and the vulgar people vnderstode thē I take your Confession and proue there by in your Iudgemente and euerye other Protestantes that the Seruice also was in the Greeke tounge in those Countreis except you would answer that they preached in the Greeke and knowen Tounge but ministred in an other then Greeke or knowen And herein I vse the vauntage of your graunt to proue that the Seruice was in Greeke but that it was knowen vnto all y e Vulgare people therin we agree not w t you Yea y e very Sermōs Trearises of S. Basile Gregory Nazianzene and Gregory Nissine as they are nowe extant were not surely vnderstanded of the Common people of those Countries wher they sate Bishops but were pronounced to the capacity of the vulgare audience in termes most familiar and knowen and afterwards penned in the learned Tounge as well for other Nations as their owne Countries For the Seruice being wryten in the Common Greeke as appereth by S. Basiles Liturgie or Masse and their bokes also keping the same Tounge it is impossible by common reason that the Vulgare people of Cappadocia Pōtus and Caria should vnderstand it whose language shal be straitewaies proued in declaring of the Minor proposition to haue bene either Barbarous that is no Greeke at all either so corrupt and vncleane Greeke that in comparison of the Tounges vsed in the foresayde Liturgie or Sermons they were at the least as far to seking what was saide as a vulgare Italian or Frenchman is when he heareth a Latine Oration Concerning nowe the other Countreis which I haue not named you can not require it of me to goe particularly throughe them but your part is to geue an Instance and to name any one that had not the Seruice in the Greeke tounge vntill whiche time the Maior standeth in good force and may well be vsed of vs for certaine whiche can not suspect the contrary Now therfore let vs come to the Minor proposition Sundry Nations saithe D. Harding in Asia the lesse vnderstode not the Greeke Harding Fol. 75. But to what end Iew. 160 for neither this is denied by any of vs nor is it any part of the questiō If ye deny it not then foloweth the Cōclusion that sundry Nations in Asia the lesse vnderstode not the Common Seruice and so the end is that you must subscribe Subscribe If it be no part of the question how coulde you by force therof be driuen to yeld But consider what foloweth And yet notwithstanding Iew. 160 is not M. Harding able to proue it with all his gheasses Loe What a stomake he confesseth the Proposition to be true and yet so contentious he is he will stand against D. Harding that he is not able to proue it Which stomake being once taken what foule shifts will not a man inuent rather then he wil take a double foile The one in yelding vnto his Aduersarye the other in not defending that whiche he toke vpon him to say But for so muche as M. Iewel is so set let vs proue the Minor and consider his Answer thervnto The Minor is thus declared by y e Actes of the Apostles Sundry Coūtries of Asia the lesse vnderstode not the learned Greeke The inhabitors of Cappadocia and Pāphilia are within Asia the lesse and eche of them had a distinct and peculiar language For S. Luke reporteth as of others so also of these y ● when the Apostles begā to speak in diuers tounges they were astonied and wondered at y e matter Act. 2. saying A see are not all these that speak men of Galilee and how doth euery one of vs heare oure Tounge in which we were borne The Lycaonians also are of Asia the lesse And S. Luke noteth that the people of Lystris spake Lyeaonice Act. 14. that is after the proper and peculiar tonge of the Country of Lycaonia wherof Listris was one of the Cities Ergo sundry countries of Asia the lesse vnderstode not the Greke What answereth M. Iewel Mary to the first of these two authorities he saith What if answer be made Iew. 16● that all these rehearsed in the Actes of the Apostles were not diuers Tounges but rather certain differencies in one Tounge Yet more what ifs Contentious if sing striuing of M. Iewel And are ye not yet at a poynt to answer directly neither to Maior nor to Minor but that in both you muste hange vpon Ifs Here may we see what a sprite can do He said that M. Harding is not able to proue his Minor which he saide to try mastries and now rather thē he will seme not to abide by his worde he neither wil holde his Tounge nor yet speake anye thing to the purpose but by a what if he prouideth that if he be taken tardy he may not leese all but say I affirmed nothynge but only put forth a case and if no man reproue him that then his What if may stād for a perfite Resolution But let vs consider your saying better What if answere be made c. as before Mary without peraduenture it will be an idle answer and to no effect For to let it passe that S. Luke expressely sayeth Euery one hearde them speake Lingua sua in his owne Tounge and to graunt vnto you that all the toungs mentioned in the Actes were not diuers but that some were distincted from other only by certaine differencies Yet those differences were so great that the Vulgare people of one Tounge vnderstode not them of an other For I trust you meane not such differencies as are made by reason of Swiftnesse Slownesse Smothnesse or Hardnesse and so furthe of Tounges but such only as cōsist in the variety of Letters Wordes and Dialect In which respect though the Tounge of Saxonie Flanders England and Scotland be one yet because of a peculiar Property and Dialect whiche is in them the Vulgar Saxons are not only Strangers to Englishe men but allso to the Flemminges their neighbors and the Vulgare Scottesman not only vnderstandeth not the Flemming but of the Sowtherland so nigh vnto him he knoweth not the wordes and meaning There be about three skore seueral Coūtries that vse the Tounge named Illyrica but though the kind of the Tounge be one Gesnerus in Mithridate and the difference consiste in Dialecte and