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A91468 Goliahs head cut off with his own sword; in a combat betwixt little David, the young stripling, who stands in the power and strength of his God, and great Goliah the proud boaster, who stands in his own strength, glorifying in the arm of flesh, and contemning and despising little David, because of his youth. In a reply to a book, set forth by an un-named author, under pretence of an answer to thirty six queries, propounded by James Parnell, whom he in scorn calls, the young Quaker. And also an answer to severall counter-queries, propounded by the same unnamed authour, whom I understand to be one Thomas Draton, a teacher of the world, at Abbey Rippon, in Huntingtonshire, ... and also he that takes his part, who writes himself W.P. who knowes not the power of God, and therefore glories in the length of time, and the multitude of years. ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in the behalf of Israel against the armies of the aliens, who muster up themselves against the Lord, and his authority: by a friend to the common-wealth of Israel, who is known to the world, by the name James Parnel. Who is a sufferer in outward bonds, for the testimony of the everlasting truth, in Colchester Castle. 1655. Parnell, James, 1637?-1656. 1655 (1655) Wing P531; Thomason E861_1; ESTC R203310 65,568 94

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thy ignorance of the true spirit and therefore thou and such false Prophets as thou thus smites at and persecutes us that are called Quakers because the Lord is pleased to bestow his spirit upon us whereby we are able to declare your deceipt and manifest your lying spirits who have professed your selves the Ministers of Christ yet strangers to his spirit and opposers of his truth like Jannes and Jambres who are men of corrupt mindes and Reprobates concerning the faith 2 Tim. 3.8 And to the second part of the Query thou sayst P. Ans that the wind doth blow where it listeth if it be not stopped yet are there many false windes which blow likewise from a deceiptful spirit which to prove thou quotest Eph. 4.14 that we henceforth be no more Children tossed to and fro with every winde of Doctrine and sayst Minde this James This I do minde and still sees how thou markest out thy selfe with thy deceiptfull spirit Rep. for if the winde do blowe where it listeth which thou acknowledgest then what is that in you professed Ministers which goes about to stop it with gainsaying and persecution and would limit the spirit of God unto a Text or Theme from which you with your deceitful spirits do raise uses points tryalls and motives c. whereby many poore Creatures are tossed to and fro and carried about with your airy spirits with the slight and cunning craftiness of your brains whereby you study to deceive as thou mayst read in the latter end of the verse which thou hast quoted Ephes 4.14 which here shall stand against thee and so many are the Children which are tossed to and fro by you although they have both beards and age as thou sayst yea some are 30. some 40 some 50 some 60 yea 80. and never yet come to the knowledge of the truth and thus with feigned words through covetousness you make Marchandize of the people beguiling unstable souls but think not that all you false Prophets with the beast that upholds you can stop or quench this spirit which now bloweth where it listeth for with all the slight and craftiness that you can use you shall be made to fall before it and the fruits of your labours shall be given you Whether thou wilt own immediate Revelation now Query 7. yea or nay And in thy Answer thou sayst P. Ans the Apostle teacheth you to pray for the spirit of wisdom and Revelation in the acknowledgement of God which to prove thou quotes Ephes 1.17 but sayst there are many false lights and delusions of Sathan who too often transforms himselfe as an Angel of Light 2 Cor. 11.14 which thou sayst are entertained by unwary men for the Illuminations and Revelations of Gods spirit as appears in Zedekiah aforesaid which to prove thou quotes Ezek. 13.6 2 Thes 2.11 Here again thou hast marked out thy selfe Reply and also belies the Apostle for that Scripture in Ephes 1.17 onely makes mention how the Apostle prayed for the Ephesians that believed but it doth not at all prove that the Apostle taught you that are of the world to pray for the prayers of the wicked are abhominable Prov. 15 8. and the Apostle would not teach such to pray and though in thy Answer the substance of my Query is confessed yet it doth not serve to prove that thou dost witness it in thy selfe or own it where it is possessed who would barre it from youth and limit it to time and age and so shewes thy ignorance of it and that by the false lights and delusions of Satan thou art deceived who in thee rules as an Angel of Light and so thou art one of those unwary men who takes a lying spirit for an infallible spirit as is both here and often before proved who art found in Zedekiahs steps and so art one of those false Prophets which the Prophet speaks of who saith the Lord saith when he never spoke to thee as is before proved and how long have you professed Ministers of this Nation fed the people with expectations and hopes that you would confirm what you have spoken unto them which is not yet come to passe neither likely and thus you have deceived them by your lying divinations for your dishonest gain and therefore for this cause God hath given you up to strong delusions that you should believe a lie that you all might be damned who believe not the truth now it is come unto you but still take pleasure in unrighteousness as in those Scriptures aforesaid which thou hast quoted against thy selfe and so they shall stand What is the Gospel which thou art a Minister of Qu 8. and whether thy Gospel be free and without charge And in thy Answer thou sayst to the first part P. Ans that the Gospel which thou preachest is the same which Christ and his Apostles taught which thou sayst is summarily contained in these four verses Tit. 2.11 12 13 14. wherein the Apostle speaks of the grace of God to be their Teacher to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly justly and godlily in this present World c. And to the second part thou sayst the Apostles Gospel was not every way without charge which to prove thou quotes 2 Cor. 11.8 and again thou sayst Nor hath Christ or any of his Apostles imposed it upon you that the Gospel should be altogether without charge unto them which have it taught which to prove thou quotes Rom. 15.27 And again thou sayst nor is James Parnells Gospel be it right or wrong without charge If he do not take more then it is worth if duly examined it is well Thy Spirit is much against James Parnell Rep. as Zedekia's was against Michajah yet here he can prove thee to be a lier and not onely against him but of his Lord also and therefore if thou beliest the Lord how much more the servant Joh. 1.29 for Christ Jesus the Lambe of God was the Gospel which the Apostles preached which was free and not chargeable to any though he was and is a burdensom stone to them that beleive not in him yet not chargeable And therefore thou blasphemer how darest thou to open thy mouth thus against the Lord and his anointed who art still in thy ungodlinesse and worldly lustes who art pleading for the earth and art a stranger to the free grace of God and therefore these verses which thou hast set downe shall stand to witnesse against thee which thou saist containeth the Gospel which thou preachest but the Apostles Gospel could not be contained in Paper Inke for the heavens could not containe him for he ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things and also of thy Gospel thou makest a trade and a gaine Eph. 4.10 being many yeares at an University as thou calest it to learn to preach it all which the Apostles did not and so thou bringest another
Teachers whom thou confessest are tyed to a text or Theme could tell how to pleafe the people and get gain without studying or speaking from a Text you would for the credit of your cause as thou sayst for I know nothing that ties you to it but your own covetous ends to make a gain of these Scriptures and to deceive the ignorant with feigned words 2 Pet. 2.3 whom Peter without study foretold of and therefore thou Hypocrite pretend no more to an infallible spirit but with the rest of thy Brethren confess thou art void of it as many of them have done for in such pretences thou art but the greater deceiver and thy folly doth the more appear Whether is it as lawfull now for Tradesmen 5. Query Shepheards or Plowmen to preach if they be led by the spirit of God as those that spake forth the Scripture And in thy answer thou sayst P. Answ if this was wholly granted James Parnell cannot claim any interest therein as thou conceivest for thou sayst he is neither Tradesman Plowman or Shepheard nor will take any course to maintain himself by his labour for he hath been tryed But herein James Parnell can plainly tell thee Reply thou art a Lyer for he followed a Trade with his Father untill the Lord by his spirit called him from it into his own work so I obeyed the word of the Lord and left my Father with his Trade Mat. 4.21 Mat. 10.37 38. as James and John did their Father in the Ship for he that will not forsake Father and Mother Lands and Livings Wife and Children and all for Christs sake is not worthy of him in which work neither thou nor any other can tax me for idleness but I believe my labour and diligence in the same is more offensive to you deceivers then if I had been Idle But he that would call me from this work that I am set about into the work of man I should answer him God must be served before man for if it had not been the will of God to call me forth into his work I should stall have served my earthly Father sooner then any other man notwithstanding the evill thoughts and conceivings of such like as thee who art given up to believe lies and tell lies but where is now thy infallible spirit who speakest by thy own conceivings and thus the thoughts of thy heart deceives thee and as for my maintenance I need not a Law to compel it as thou dost neither am chargeable to the World as thou art who by a Law of man takest nigh 300. l by the yeare of them therefore in this thou might have laid thy hand upon thy mouth for thou and hundreds more of thy Brethren never followed any honest Calling whereby to get an honest livelihood without being chargeable to the World but was from your youths brought up at Babylons Schools learning her wich-craft and sorcery thereby to deceive the Nations and through covetousness with feigned words make marchandize of them which you nowspare not And secondly thou grants P. Answ that if men be made of God spirituall whether Shepheards or Plowmen first they may teach But thirdly thou sayst every man that hath the spirit in some measure doth not attain to that height growth and degree that they did who gave forth the Scriptures and therefore may not as lawfully nor as infallibly teach as they did and thou sayst nor can thou discern clearly that the best amongst them called Quakers have yet reached that degree or dispensation of the spirit and after much dissembling speeches thou manifests thy light and frothy spirit still despising me because of my youth but thy words are not worth mentioning And thu swhen thou opens thy mouth Reply concerning the Spirit thou manifests thy folly and ignorance of the spirit so that a Babe may comprehend thee and tell thee of thy folly and when thou thinkest of thy beard or age as thou sayst confusion of face may cover thee for though every one that hath the spirit in some measure doth not attain to that height grouth and degree that they did who gave forth the Scripture yet it doth not follow that none doth attain to that grouth height and degree and they that have attained to the same spirit in a measure and by the same spirit are moved and called forth may as lawfully and as infallibly teach as they did in their measures for the same spirit is infallible in the least measure and its call is lawful and thus thou shewest thou was never called nor led by it who art so ignorant of it and as here also doth further appear in that thou confessest thou discernest not the people called Quakers and therefore art blind and from thee the secrets of God are hid and it doth not follow that they are ever the less spiritual but rather more because thou canst not discern them who pretends thy selfe a spiritual man and thus they are attained to that degree they can discern thee to be a blind guide and deceiver of the World and therefore is thy spirit the more against them for all thy flattering and dissembling speeches from thy hypocritical heart who bends thy Tongue like a Bow against them uttering forth lies in hypocrisie and with thy sconrful spirit reproachest me with lies but it was thy Generation that quaked for fear of the downfall of their Kingdom and therefore persecuted me and imprisoned me yet their fear did not overtake me for I was made as willing to suffer as they was to inflict as knowing it was for his cause who will make you all to quake and tremble who lift up your heels against him and as thou compares Cambridg to Jericho so the curse of Jericho shal come upon it for its whordom and sorceries and stifneckedness against the Lord and his anointed and though thou thus scornest me and despisest me because of my youth yet it is because thou knowest not the Scripture nor the power of God Whether any are the Ministers or Messengers of Christ but those that are guided by his spirit Query 6. and abide in his Doctrine as the holy men of God was in Scripture and whether the wind doth not now blow where it listeth And in thy answer to the first part P. Ans thou grants that none are the true Ministers Messengers of Christ but those that are in some measure guided by his spirit and abide in his Doctrine But secondly thou sayst men may think that they have that spirit and yet be led by the lying spirit as Zedekiah who smote Michajah was 1 King 22.24 Herein thou markest out thy selfe for a deceiver who pretends to the spirit Reply and it is the lying spirit as is before proved and so art shut out from the Ministers and Messengers of Christ who art not guided by his spirit and therefore abides not in his Doctrine as is before proved by
that Christ doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world P. Ans because the Apostle affirmes it Joh. 1.9 And secondly thou confessest that they which have attained to the true knowledge of this light need not that any man should teach them for they are sufficiently taught of God thou say'st Jer. 31.34 But thou say'st thou deniest that we are so taught or in such a measure but thou say'st till that full light shine in you you may have other helps and teachers which to prove thou quotest 2 Pet. 1.19.20 c. But thou deceiver thou run and the Lord never sent thee who hath beene a teacher of the people and a professor of the light so many yeares and hast not yet brought any of thy hearers to the knowledge of the light yea thou numberest thy selfe amongst them whom this full light doth not yet shine but stands in need of other helps and teachers then thou hypocrite and dissembler how shouldst thou teach thy hearers the full knowledge of the light as thou say'st they will witnesse for thee when as thou thy selfe stands in need to be taught it by thy own confession Therefore it may well be resolved that thou knowest not that Christ hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world neither wouldest confesse it but that the Apostle affirmes it in that Scripture which thou quotest in John 1.9 yea that Scripture which thou quotestin Jer. 31.34 doth witnesse against thee and thy hearers to be yet strangers to the promises therefore thou hypocrite how hast thou belyed thy own conscience in saying that thou would'st bring them to the knowledge of the light that they should not need thee or any man to teach them when as that is it thou openly strivest against for then thy Dianah would bring thee in no gaine which is thy greatest care to uphold and this is witnessed in thy conscience for a truth against thee yea and this Scripture which thou quotest in 2 Pet. 1.19 20. will witnesse against thee to be a lier of the Apostle for that speakes of the world within which shines as a light in a dark place which thou art not yet come to know and therefore thou denies the truth but I tell thee we are in that measure of light so that we are able to comprehend thee and shew thee thy confusion and deceipt therefore silence from bringing the Prophets or Apostles for thy proofe for they testify against such as thee who pretendest to teach others and to be a guide to the blind a light of them which are in darknesse and an instructer of the foolish Rom. 2.19.20 and art not yet taught thy selfe but art dark and blind and ignorant of the light and wants instruction thy selfe by thy own confession therfore what an impudent lyer art thou who before said thou usely spoke by the motion of the holy-Ghost and guided by an infallible Spirit and now not come to that full knowledge of the light that thou needest no man to teach thee but the Prophets and Apostles was come to that before they was made teachers and they by the effect of their Ministry turned many from darknesse to light Act. 16.7 Eph. 8.5.1 Jonn 2 22.31 Que. and brought them to the knowledge of the Anointing so that they needed no man to teach them therefore silence thou deceiver for thy blessings is curses and therefore profits not the people at all Whether they be not the deceivers that cry Loe here and loe there that draw people to look at a Christ in a Heaven far off without them or at a Jerusalem far off without them when as they that cannot witness Christ in them are Reprobates And in thy Answer thou confessest P. Ans that they that cannot witness Christ in them are in a Reprobate condition but thou confessest that thou wilt not say that all who speak of a Christ within them shall be saved yet thou grants that those Teachers who points only at a Christ without them or to any other spiritual Kingdom of God then what must be within saying Loe here is Christ and loe there is his Kingdom may be both deceivers and deceived themselves for the present Herein thou condemnest thy Brethren Reply to be deceivers and deceived who are set up unpheld and maintained by the same earthly power as thou art who are such as cry all lo here and loe there without and wholly draw the peoples mindes without from the light within them that should lead them to the knowledge of Christ and his Kingdom incensing them that it is natural and insufficient and though thou dost here profess to the contrary yet art out of thy own mouth judged to be out of the state of salvation who only professest Christ within yet art found as deep in sin and deceipt and as void of Christ or his Light as the rest of thy Brethren who art doting without as before out of thy mouth is sufficiently proved and so thy selfe art the greatest deceiver only the Serpents subtlety more resined but that thou accusest us that we cry loe here amongst the people called Quakers Christ a lone is to be found Thou art a lier and speakest not from an infallible spinit but from a lying spirit which many can witness against yet they that are of God heare as he that can receive it let him Whether they be not out of the faith of Christ Que. 32. that receive honour or respect persons And in thy Answer thou sayst men may receive honour and yet be in the faith of Christ which to prove P. Answ thou quotest Phil. 2.19 20.2 Cor. 6.16 17.1 Cor. 11.1 2 3.2 Cor. 8.23 and many other which doth not at all concerne the matter of my Query yea thou sayst men may respect persons and be in the faith which to prove thou quotest Act. 26.25 2 Kings 3.14 Psal 15.4 but thou confessest it is a great hinderance to the faith and the believing in the true word for men to seek the honour of men more then the honour that comes from God John 5.44 And thou sayst it is also a blot and blemish to the true Believers to respect the ungodly that are great and rich in this world before the true Saints that are poor yea thou sayst it is a plain deniall of the faith and a good conscience also to respect persons in doing of justice whether for favour or reward Exod. 23.2 3 4 5 6 7 8. All these Scriptures which thou hast here quoted Reply doth not at all justifie the earthly honour which you earthly ones give and receive one of another neither was these things written to the world as thou makes use of them neither did those whom the Apostle speaks of seek after or receive earthly honour as you do who are called of men Master who are set up in the chief seats of the Synagogues and love greetings in the markets and uppermost Rooms at feasts and all