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A62427 The Quakers quibbles in three parts : first set forth in an expostulatory epistle to Will. Pfnn [i.e. Penn] concerning the late meeting held to Barbycan between the Baptists and the Quakers, also the pretended prophet Lod. Muggleton and the Quakers compared : the second part, in reply to a quibbling answer to G. Whiteheads, entituled The Quakers plainness ... : the third part, being a continuation of their quibbles ... / by the same indifferent pen. Thompson, Thomas.; Hedworth, Henry.; Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1675 (1675) Wing T1013; ESTC R41153 141,349 262

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by Circumlocutions one while and by Addresses to the Auditors another and sometimes by giving way to another of thy Friends to begin a Discourse of some new Matter or to raise some new Question before the former was ended the better to shift off the old or bring it in Oblivion confounding the Minds of your Auditors with other Words I cannot so well call this a Quibble as a base old way of Evasion and Shifting Do you think that we do not know this to be no new Device but sorry I was to see you use it Truly Sir I cannot but own Jer. Ives's Answer to your Distinction to be very good and pertinent and doubtless if you had not found it so too you would have Replyed to it but I found all your mouths stopt as to that His words as I remember were these or to this effect That then I or any Man might say by the same Reason that Will. Penn or Geo. Whitehead was never seen with Bodily or Carnal Eyes because the Excellency and better part of them viz. their Souls was never seen though their Bodies be seen which is not the Man Now what an absurdity would this be And yet is it not the same that you said then concerning Christ's being seen and not seen and thereby over-shooting your self obliged Geo. Whitehead to make a long Discourse to bring you off as handsomly as he could from a Contradiction But since you did not detect the irrationality of this Answer and Similitude at the Meeting I should be glad to see it from you any-where else in words that are rational and intelligible 7. In that Thou first crydest out thy self as the Proverb is stop Thief When thou hadst first made a great noise and stir then thou appealedst to thy Auditors for Justice and to hear thy Answer whereas thy Self and Friends were then the most guilty a●d greatest Offenders in that kin● in making a clamor and pudder without giving us a direct Answer What need was there for thee to cry out to thy Auditors to hear thy Answer when we could hear none from thee though we had stood waiting and gaping well-nigh an hour for nothing else I say I cannot apprehend this to be fair and candid Dealing either with thy Opposites or Auditors but rather a neat trick of crying Whore first as they say at best but idle superfluous vain words which become not a Christian such an one as thou professed thy self to be Really Sir I do admire that you should or would carry your selves so as to get a name of obstinate unreasonable and disorderly Men I was told before-hand that you would never Dispute either soberly or rationally in any due Order or Method and notwithstanding you are still confident and ready to appoint Disputes and Conferences Yet when you come to it you must have your own Will for a Law and your own Way imposed upon your Opponents or else you will not Dispute So that you give too much occasion to Persons to think and judg you a perverse Generation obstinately confident and confidently obstinate without Order or Rule Rime or Reason Wise only in your own conceits whom Solomon Characterises Fools and so fit for no Man to Dispute With except some of Muggleton's Disciples guilty of the same perverse and unreasonable Humour with you even to the making your selves Ridiculous no small Testimony whereof this last Meeting proved Why may you impose on others and they not upon you 8. I will crave leave to mention one thing more at this present of my observing and that is thy so oft using the gross word of Lying and Forgery and Lyar and Forger especially in thy Books against Tho. Hicks that it will hardly stand with good Manners such Language to be so common and frequent me thinks sutes not well with a well-civilized Man much less with a good Christian and what does it signifie To say it is a Lye that is neither an Answer nor an Argument Therefore in love I should advise thee to leave off all such Billings gate-Rhetorick and gross Language it being more fit for Scolds that are Duckt then to be used in Conferences or Writings amongst those that own themselves Christians at least so very frequently But if that be one way of Confutation then it will be no hard thing to Confute all thy Writings 'T is pitty so Learned a Person as thy self should be so linkt to a Party or blinded with Passion to Eclipse the more noble part of thy Reason by being engaged with such a People and having received their Principles thereby thinkest thy self obliged now to maintain them though therein thou makest thy self Pedantick Time and Experience may convince thee better though I cannot hope nor expect to do it believing that when somewhat of the height of thy Fancy and the heat of thy Brain is spent and abated thou wilt be calmer and wiser and that is all the Hurt I wish thee In the interim I only desire thee to consider of this if not now yet hereafter when thou art cool For the heat of the Dispute having so distempered the Humors in thee and raised thy Spirit I cannot promise my self much present good success as to thee herein though I have hopes it may have some with Others So I Rest Thy Friend in plainness Thomas Thompson Postscript I Hinted in the fifth Particular i' th Margent That some of the Quakers quibble as much about the Word Body as the Word Christ as appears by what one of them told me That the Church of Christ is his Body and when I answer'd him That was only figuratively or by way of Allusion that as all the natural Members compacted together and united to the Head make a Natural Body So the Church being knit together by One Profession and Baptism as Members of a Body become united by Faith to Christ as their Head and so the Church is by way of similitude and metaphorically called the Body of Christ but no otherwise that I understood What then says the Quaker Wilt thou make Christ a Monster and say he has two Bodies or words to that effect Now then after the same manner of Reasoning and Quibbling I may as well say Mr. Keith in the Dispute by his Distinction made three Christs when he told us more than once That Christ was Most properly taken for the Godhead or Divine Nature Less properly for the Manhood or Humane Nature And least properly of all for the Carkass Now after this rate may not one say That the Quaker says There are three Christs in Scripture A most proper Christ And a less proper Christ And a Christ least proper And that with as much truth as for them to affirm Christ would be a Monster on the account above For what can be thought not only more distinct but absolutely Different Then The Godhead Eternal God The Manhood Living Man A Carkass a Dead Body Study it as long as ye will And further