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A58326 A letter of Francesco Redi concerning some objections made upon his Observations about vipers written to Monsieur Bourdelot ... and Monsieur Alexander Morus : printed in Italian at Florence, 1670 / now made English ; together with the sequel of New experiments upon vipers, and a dissertation upon their poyson ... written in French by Moyse Charas ; now likewise Englished.; Lettera di Francesco Redi sopra alcune opposizioni fatte alle sue Osservazioni intorno alle vipere. English Redi, Francesco, 1626-1698.; Charas, Moyse, 1619-1698. Nouvelles expériences sur la vipère. Suite. English. 1673 (1673) Wing R663; ESTC R5968 49,196 113

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year and the whole interval of his Paroxysines without any inclination to dance He was naturally melancholick in appearance of no great parts neither had he learn'd to dance He hath been seen thus dancing every year by thousands of people and particularly in the Camp Royal Anno 1670. where the King himself and the whole Court saw him And this hath been so beneficial to him that the ordinary time is past this year without any assault of this evil which he had great apprehensions of finding himself at that time engaged in a march and fearing he should want Violins at the time that the sit should take him Now since the pricking of this Animal though very small and in a manner like that of a small fly being made even thorough stockings or cloaths is able to act equally upon the body and the mind of the person stung as leaving behind such long and strong impressions and causing such irksome returns To what can we adscribe all those different effects if it be not to the idea or imagination of the animal stinging or of the person stung 'T is needless to alledge here the effects of the idea or imagination of Women with Child nor of that of Jacob's Sheep I think I have said enough to justifie the possibility of the idea or imagination of a Vipers revengefulness for the forming of angry spirits sufficient to impute unto them all the venom and to exclude from it the yellow liquor After this Sign Redi must not wonder if I who make profession of Chymistry of which I have the honour to read publick Lectures in the Garden Royal who doe every day exercise my self in separating the spirituous parts from the gross ones in mixt inanimat bodies and who have not been able to find in any corporeal and sensible matter the true cause of the strange and suddain productions observed in the biting of a live Viper If I after all this I say have thought my self obliged to seek for it in the Spirits if having found it there I have abandon'd his party and communicated to the publick the discovery I have made Yet I am not over-much surprised that Sign Redi being in this matter prepossess'd by corporeal gross things still persists in his sentiment since in the preparations that do altogether depend of my profession and which I ought to know well he rejects spirituous substances which he relishes not sticking only to the more material which are the least and in very small quantity which doth not keep him from believing them to be the best You may see what he writeth of it about the end of pag. 76. and at the beginning of pag. 77 of his first Letter of Observations in these words In queste nuè naturali Osservationi ho consuinato gran quantitá c. That is In these my natural Observations I have spent a great quantity of Vipers making of them daily a very great slaughter and to extract the subtile from the subtil if I may so speak I always laid aside and kept all their flesh and bones which being dryed in a Furnace and afterwards by a quick fire with long and great labour burnt and reduced to ashes I thence drew the Salt with Fountain-water and purified it and reduced it into a kind of Chrystal c. Those that know all the parts of which the body of a Viper is composed will certainly wonder that a person so judicious and knowing hath not found that the chief and best part of a Viper consists in its volatil Salt and that that Salt would not fail to avolate and to be wasted by that preparation or rather destruction which Sign Redi hath used to extract the Salt of Vipers They will quickly see that when he would draw the subtil from the subtil as he speaks he did quite the contrary and expelled and dissipated the volatil and better parts returning only the gross the fixed and the least They will soon judg that he should not have given himself all that labour and pain which he saith he hath taken to succeed so ill in his work and that he had done much better with silence to pass over his process then to publish it The way by him taken will be found I think received from the Antients who knew not that all Animals abound in Volatil and have little of Fixed Salt And his preparation which is very easie would have pleased better in those times especially in Italy then that great and laborious Preparation of the Salt of Vipers which was made with so great an Apparatus and of which I have already given my thoughts when I discoursed of the Remedies drawn from Vipers I also foresee that Sign Redi will not receive any greater advantage by striving to attribute to himself the first discovery of the Salival glanduls which I found on both the Temples of both Male and Female Vipers and which I have described and delineated in my Anatomy of Vipers For he will not be able to perswade it to those who shall see pag. 44. of his first Letter of Observations the discourse following Se non stimassi vergogna scriver senza altra riprova c. That is If I did not think it a shame to write without other proof what came into my phancy I might say perhaps that that yellow liquor is by no other way intromitted into the above said gums of the teeth but by those Salival Conduits found out by the famousThomas Wharton and shewn in this Court by Lorenzo Billini a learned young man and of great expectation in other Animals besides Man and particularly in Staggs and Wood-peckers Moreover that under those Gums there are two small Glanduls found by me in all Vipers Yet I would not have you rely upon this thought of mine because it may prove a Chimera as I believe it to be one c. I cannot comprehend how Sign Redi after he hath spoken of the Salival Conduits as of a thing that came into his phancy and by a perhaps that is to say not knowing it and who declareth that he was asham'd to write of a thing without verifying it who exhorts his friend to whom he writes not to relye on his thoughts and who adds that it may prove a Chimera I know not I say how after he hath written all this he can pretend to be the inventor of the Salival Glanduls and their Pipes For pag. 55 and 56. of his first Letter speaking of the yellow liquor he adds E questo veleno altro non è c. That is This venom is nothing else but that liquor which humects the Palat and stagnates in those gums that invest the teeth not transmitted thither from the Bladder of Gall but bred in the whole head and conveyed perhaps to the gums by some Salival conduits which perhaps are there inserted Where the word perhaps yet twice again repeated doth sufficiently shew that Sign Redi did speak of the Salival conduits no otherwise
liquor which he calls the ill juyce and will have to be the only seat of the poison he had carefully press'd out of the vesicles of her Gums He hath no more ground then I to charge the death of the Pullet upon a liquor which was there no more nor upon the points of the teeth which he had cut off And he cannot avoid to accuse with me the vexed spirits of the Viper and to fall into my opinion viz That the venom of the Viper is not a gross matter but something invisible and spiritual And to shew again that Signor Redi hath laboured without being aware of it to justifie my Sentiment and that at the same time he manifestly contradicts himself by destroying in his last Letter his first Propositions which is That all the venom of the Viper issues at the first or at least at the second biting and that the third is venomous no more as he assureth to have often experimented to shew that I say I shall alledge the words of pag. 33 34 and 35. of his last Letter viz. Su'l principio di maggio scelsi una vipera c. That is About the beginning of May I chose a Femal-Viper one of the biggest and lustiest and vexed her to bite ten Chickens one after another in the right thigh of which the first second and third died almost in an instant the fourth seem'd only to be sick but the fifth and all the rest did not only not dye but were not at all sick and yet every time the Viper did bite I angred and madded her exceedingly In the moneth of June I repeated the Experiment in five tame Ducks bitten by one and the same Viper which also immediately after bit three young Turtle-Doves The first wounded dyed three hours after the second-five hours after the rest escaped 'T is true that the first mention'd of the Turtles dyed but not the other two Of twelve Ring-Doves at one time there dyed but four but the next day of twelve others there dyed six Of five Rabbets there dyed three and of three Lambs the two last dyed the first of them dying two hours after it had been biten These several Experiments directly contrary to the first assertion of Signor Redi were capable to perplex any other head but ●is For first he hath seen that of ten bullets bitten one after another by one only Viper the three first dyed suddenly and the fourth was somewhat sick He hath seen that of five Ducks and of three Pigeons bitten one after another by a single Viper the two first Ducks dyed as also one of the Pigeons which had been bitten even after the five Ducks He also saw once that of twelve Pigeons bitten four dyed that another time of twelve there escaped but the moiety and that of five Rabbets likewise bitten there were but two that evaded dying I cannot but be amazed that all these Experiments have not been able to change his opinion or at least to suspend it Nor do I doubt but that the number of Animals that d●ed would have been much greater if the bitings had been made in other places but the legs For besides that they have their bones nerves and tendons that are able to blunt the point of the teeth at the first biting they have also their Muscles which are very viscous and therefore fail not to imbue the teeth of the biting Viper thereby stopping in part their Pores and even hindring them by that v●scosity from entring far in the ensuing bites and I likewise doubt not but that will come to pass more and more in the reiteration of their bitings Nor do I wonder that the Ducks did not dye so soon as the Pullets or Pigeons nor that there dyed less of them for besides the reasons just now alledged they have their skin bones and all parts much harder and far more difficult to be pierced by the Vipers teeth than those of Pigeons or Pullets Now I do not find any part mo●e proper to try divers bitings then the fleshy part of the chest which hath neither Nerves nor Tendons nor bones near nor that Viscosity found in the Muscles of the legs Mean time these Experiments made by Sign Redi himself must oblige him as far as I can judge to relinquish his first Assertion And if he will persist to maintain that the yellow liquor is the true seat of the poison he must needs believe that liquor to be inexhaustible and that always there succeeds some fresh in all the bitings of a Viper or if he will abandon his opinion and ascribe the poison no more to the yellow liquor he must find out some other subject to assign it to except he please to take mine and to lodge it in the irritated spirits in regard that he cannot find it in the yellow liquor which is no more there after the second biting as himself assureth and which must yet more evidently be wanting there when designedly he had with care taken it out of the bags of the gums of the Viper that bit the Pullet and the bite of which was followed by the death of the Animal bitten But if Sign Redi should now be in an humor to alter his opinion and to judge the yellow liquor to be necessary in all the bitings of a Viper though that be an impossible thing his opinion would never be received by disinteressed persons that have seen my first and last Experiments among which persons there are some even of the most able who having heretofore examin'd the Salival Glanduls upon the description I gave them of it after I had discover'd them did there observe also some small Lymphatic Vessels more numerous then those that had first appeared to me and who having seen the last Letter of Sign Redi were willing to suspend their Judgment until the making of my new Tryals which have altogether confirm'd them in my first opinion For not to speak of this that in the presence of divers persons even of the best quality at several times and places in divers assemblies even in the Conferences of the Abbot Bourdelot I have swallow'd some of the yellow liquor taken out of the bags of the gums of many live and enraged Vipers without finding the least inconvenience from it no more then the Viper-catcher of Sign Redi I can boldly assure all the world that at no time in no place there ever dyed any animal of all those I have wounded or seen wounded on purpose and into the wounds of which that liquor hath been intromitted although it had been drawn hot out of the Vesicles of the gums of Vipers exceedingly vexed so far is it that the Juyce of dead Vipers was able to annoy any animal I can also assure that never any head of a dead Viper whether the Animal were who●e or that head only with its neck and though it abounded with that yellow liquor hath done any harm to man or any other Animal bitten by it