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A02483 An ansvvere to a treatise vvritten by Dr. Carier, by way of a letter to his Maiestie vvherein he layeth downe sundry politike considerations; by which hee pretendeth himselfe was moued, and endeuoureth to moue others to be reconciled to the Church of Rome, and imbrace that religion, which he calleth catholike. By George Hakewil, Doctour of Diuinity, and chapleine to the Prince his Highnesse. Hakewill, George, 1578-1649.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Treatise written by Mr. Doctour Carier.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Copy of a letter, written by M. Doctor Carier beyond seas, to some particular friends in England. 1616 (1616) STC 12610; ESTC S103612 283,628 378

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in minde that it was ipsissima B. Augustini sententia the very selfe same doctrine which Saint Augustin teacheth The third point which you call Caluinisme is that faith is nothing else but the assured perswasion of a mans owne Predestination to glory by Christ which differs not much in words and in sense very little or not at all as I conce●ue from his Maiesties definition where hee calles it a sure p●rswasion and apprehension of the promises of God applying them to your soule and therefore may it iustly bee termed saith hee the Golden chaine that linketh the faithfull soule to CHRIST But I wonder what Mr. Doctor meant in saying that Caluin maketh it nothing else whereas the Church of Rome maketh it not by many degrees so much it beeing in their doctrine a naked and bare apprehension of and assent vnto supernaturall trueths in which the deuill himselfe may goe as farre as any nay doeth goe farther then many of them for in that sort hee both beleeues and trembles and by this faith impossible it is that wee should either quench the fiery darts of the wicked as S. Paul speakes or ouercome the world as S. Iohn Faith saith the authour to the Hebrewes is the ground of things which are hoped for and the euidence of things which are not seene now what is that grounded euidence but an assured perswasion and what are those things hoped for and not seene but chiefly the glory to which through CHRIST wee are predestinate so that you may as well put a nothing else vpon S. Pauls definition as vpon Caluins and yet is Caluins somewhat more then you make it in as much as thereby the fauour of God is not onely apprehended but sealed vnto the heart whereas your faith is of that nature as it neither hath any sound foundation to build vpon neither is a man certaine when he hath it neither if hee haue it how long hee shall keepe it neither if hee keepe it whether at last it will serue for his iustification in the sight of God So that a nothing else may rather be pind vpon the sleeue of that faith which the Church of Rome teaches then that which Caluin defines The fourth point which you call Caluinisme is that the Sacraments of the Church are nothing but signes and badges of that grace which a man hath before by the carnal couenant of his parents faith whereas Caluin in many places and expresse tearmes directly denies the Sacraments to be nothing else but bare signes they beeing in his doctrine not onely signes to represent that which they are ordained to signifie but seales to confirme that which they represent and withall pipes to conuey or instruments to present that to the soule of the worthy receiuer which they represent to the sence much lesse then doe either hee or wee make the Sacraments signes onely of that grace which the receiuer hath by couenant of his parents faith as Mr. Doctor would haue it for then would it follow that they should not at all bee Sacraments vnto them whose parents either are or died Infidels though themselues bee conuerted to Christian Religion and whereas hee calls that a carnall Couenant which God made with Abraham and his seed it argues a carnall minded man sauou●ing those things which are of the Flesh and not of the Spirit The fift point which Mr. Doctor calls Caluinisme is that Priesthood can doe nothing but preach the word as they call it which Lay-men must iudge of and may preach too if they will where occasion serues as if hee were ignorant that both by Caluin and by vs p●blike prayer in the name and for the good of the people is specially committed to the Priesthood and to it onely is the power of binding and loosing and of administring the Sacraments annexed whereas in their doctrine it is permitted not onely to Lay-men but to women in some cases But with vs you say Lay-men must iudge of that which is preached and may themselues preach too whereas the trueth is that wee allow them a iudgement of examination onely or triall which S. Paul allowed his auditors and S. Iohn his not of decision or determination which you seeme to implie and for their preaching both our and Caluins rule is that no man with vs taketh or should take this honour to himselfe but he which is called as was Aaron inwardly by the Spirit of God fitting him with gifts and a disposition thereunto and outwardly by the Constitutions and ordinances of the Church The sixth and last point which Mr. Doctor calls Caluinisme is that the studie and knowledge of antiquitie vniuersalitie and consent is not necessary but euery man may expound Scripture as his owne spirit shall mooue him where first I cannot but wonder that Mr. Dr who vrgeth neither antiquity vniuersality nor consent through his whole discourse should here at last cast stand so much vpon them yet I am perswaded it was rather to beare vs in hand that himselfe was deepely studied in them then that hee thought they could much aduantage his cause neither is the studie and knowledge of them so neglected by those whom Master Doctor if hee were liuing would call Caluinists that they feare euen by that triall to encounter the stoutest Champions of the Church of Rome For leauing Caluins frequent quotation of the ancient Councils and Fathers let the workes of Martyr of Bucer of Zanchius of Iunius of Sadeel of Chamier of the Noble Du Plessis and D● Moulin testifie what account they make of the vniuersall consent and of Antiquitie And for our owne here at home he that shall looke into the writings of Bishop Iewel of Raynolds of Whitakers of Fulke of Humphreys of Perkins I spare to name the liuing nothing inferiour herein to the dead may easily finde if hee shut not his eyes against the light that they spared neither cost nor paines in this kinde To what ●●●pose hath Tossanus written his Synopsis Patrum and Scultetus his Medulla Patrum To what end did that noble and worthy Gentleman Sir Thomas Bodley with so much charge and tra●ell found and furnish our Vniuersitie Library at Oxford and priuate Colledges by his example inlarge their owne or why should Sir Henry Sauill with so much expence and care set f●orth Chrysostomes workes in so exact and exquisite a maner i● wee made that slight reckoning of the studie and knowledge of Antiquitie as Mr. Doctor would make the world beleeue indeed wee cannot but acknowledge that to bee true which trueth it selfe hath deliuered onething is necessary and that many care and are cumbred about other things more then about this yet withall wee as freely confesse that many things are requisite some in one degree and some in another to the better compassing of that one which is onely and absolutely necessary in it selfe But e●ery man you say with vs may expound Scripture as his owne spirit shall mooue